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gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Sagebrush posted:

while i'm sure the subtlety is lost on most newspaper readers and possibly also on the cartoonist, I appreciate that he drew the Cadeuceus (symbol of Hermes, the god of merchants and commerce, and the one who escorts the dead to Hades) instead of the Rod of Asklepios (symbol of healing and medicine). A particularly GC

Yeah there is basically zero chance he intended that.

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gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Post 9-11 User posted:

I went to make my annual pilgrimage to Kreider's comic about Reagan, seems the site is down: http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly040609a.htm

I forgot about Kreider. Oh how I wish he were still drawing for these years, out in our wilderness.


gowb
Apr 14, 2005

gowb
Apr 14, 2005


I saw this in the paper this morning and laughed. A decent Tinsley? What is the world coming to?

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Zesty posted:

It's not. Hope that helps!

My bad, didn't realize I was posting in the dimension where HRC blamed herself alone for the loss and quietly left the public eye to do some serious introspection, must've left too many tabs open

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Senor P. posted:

Those are all exceptional.

The one with death is still quite relevant. (Anti-vaxxers)

No one my age has really seen someone limping around due to polio, but in my father's and mother's time it was still an occurance. (And so were iron lungs.)

Imagine a world where we (the U.S) actually pushed people hard during their education (K-12).

Unfortunately we have graduates that can barely do addition and multiplication. Now we get comics about my little ponies and an audience (of voting age) that likes that poo poo.

By the beard of the prophet!

What in the world do education and my little pony have to do with each other

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

rodbeard posted:

I vaguely knew about Weinstein, but I was honestly surprised by Louis CK being a creep.

How? There have been stories for years about him begging women to watch him masturbate, or coming onto them backstage.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005


This is so surreal it's almost beautiful.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Yes, for he bears the ̵̠̺̯̜̯͖̣̎ͣ͘ͅT͔̖̞͇̳͍̍̔͜Aͦ̃͏̻͖̀C̜̗̤̼ͩͫ̌͊ͧ͗̓͡Ǫ͉̲̣͇̖͈͓̺̈͋̍̆͊̏̔̿͘

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Ularg posted:

Where are these GOP concerned over Trump's actions? *batman voice* WHERE ARE THEY?!

Oh they're very concerned. I'd even say they're disturbed

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Sagebrush posted:

Like, the goal here is not to compromise, right? I assume you don't want to go "okay, sure, you can be a little less racist and I'll be a little more racist and we'll find a middle ground and get along?" The eventual plan is to bring them completely to your side, while not compromising your own beliefs?

It's pointless to try and convert the people who are out there affirming the superiority of the white race. They are unreachable and it's completely fine to just tell them to gently caress off at every opportunity. For the the mildly or unconsciously racist people, who stand a chance of becoming woke, you need to shock them up front so they know the deal. Gently prodding them along one little bit at a time will just make them go "why is it that I have to make all the changes? I already stopped calling them moon crickets, now I have to let my kids go to school with them too?? Why can't they make some efforts to get along with me?" and that's pretty much where we are right now re. white people's understanding of racism.

everyone is racist, literally everyone has some racial bias. The key is recognizing it and overcoming it in your thought process. Just because you have recognized and are in control of your racial biases doesn't mean that everyone is, some people are racist out of ignorance. Some people are racist in a "why do black people take so long to cross the street and make so much noise in theaters" and aren't quite to "seig heil, anti racist is white genocide, etc" yet, but not attempting to understand and help them combat their biases very well could push them in that direction. I get that it feels good to be like gently caress racists no matter what but it isn't productive.

You obviously shouldn't waste your time on white supremacists. But normal people, normal republicans who are racist in not immediately obvious, non KKK ways, can be helped and brought to your side. It's stupid and harmful to our cause to just write them off.

Some of us have family we love who you could consider racist. For us, this isn't an academic question. We want to help them overcome this disease of the mind. But the self righteous liberal anger isn't helping. In fact it's pushing them further away. Stop.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Broken Loose posted:

your family is trash and if they can't handle the consequences of publicly acting like a shitfucker then they belong exactly where they say Those People should go, if not worse

You don't know my family, so I'm not sure your judgement of them as "trash" is accurate. And they do not publically act like racists nor do they think minorities should leave the country. This is the righteous, unthinking liberal anger I'm talking about.

As an example, my aunt is one of the most amazing human beings I know. She is ridiculously rich because she invented a way to use quick set cement to lay oil pipes in the gulf, yet she lives in a very modest house in one of the poorest, blackest communities around. All of her money and personal time goes toward helping those in need, no matter the color. In public? She's gotten awards from the NAACP, local charity groups, and the Knights of Columbus (who are white as hell). She breaks her back, literally to the point of needing surgery, to work for habitat for humanity. Recently, most of her time and money have gone to helping the local children's hospital. Yet, behind closed doors, she often talked about how Obama wanted to destroy Christian, white America and hates groups like BLM, antifa and immigrants.

Ignoring her weird racist political views, which do not seem to influence her philanthropy much if at all, how do you measure up? Certainly her white privilege is a factor, as well as the fact that her husband is a patent lawyer and helped build her fortune, and she was born into an old money family in the first place. These things disqualify her from being a net gain for humanity? Is she not worth saving? I've moved her considerably left, and the influence of the new Pope has eased her racism towards Latin Americans massively, but you would say she isntworth saving? That she's trash? It might be blood that is blinding me, but I just don't think so. She's not past redemption, assuming she even needs it in the first place. I love her regardless of her flaws for what I see in her, and I won't give her up simply because she comes from a different time and place than our modern ethics. I cannot. Call me an optimist, call me an idealist, call me a racist, point out that I'm from the south and all that that implies. I won't condemn the people I love to some societal purgatory simply because they don't live up to your standards. They aren't past redemption. None of us are.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Ularg posted:

I don't know if casually racist family members is a common thing or just particular to the south. But I've taken some flak for at least calling out racist and homophobic behaviors with my otherwise friendly family. Don't know what's so hard about that. I don't need to weight them on a scale of "Well they do amazing things and are good people but they also casually say 'fag' without much prompting".

Am I out of line? It seems no different than my parents lecturing me as a kid on how to behave and have good manners.

Absolutely, as I've mentioned before in this forum I have been ostracized by quite a few family members for calling out their racism (nobody's really homophobic since we have gay relatives, which ain't ideal but better than nothing) especially on my mom's side. I don't hesitate to call out blatant racism when it appears, which is why my aunt and I have had long discussions on the topic and she's become way better about it than she used to be.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Sagebrush posted:

i'm just gonna quote this whole thing in case he deletes it

Why in the world would I delete something I posted from the heart? Unlike some, I Post With Honor

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Lightning Knight posted:

Casually racist family members are common, but don't act like people who are materially harmed by the shitstains they vote for aren't justified in hating them.

It's your job to deal with your family and make them better. To everyone else, they're just another rear end in a top hat Republican making the country go down the gutter.

And don't talk to me about how I don't understand, I live in loving Paul Ryan's district. drat near everyone I grew up with is Republican.

Also the "basket of deploreables" speech was specifically an attempt by Clinton to demonstrate that some Trump supporters were justifiably angry. She didn't show enough deference to white grievance and got pilloried for it.

It's my job to deal with the people in my family I want to save, yeah. Whose job is it to convert those who have no such family members to help them? Are they doomed to the guilliotine?

Even the KKK aren't beyond compassion. http://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

I'm not saying people aren't justified in the hatred they feel. People are entitled to their feelings, no matter what they are. But try to have some compassion for fellow human beings who aren't as priveleged as you.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Lightning Knight posted:

We don't have to kill racists. We just have to politically marginalize and overwhelm them to make a better country.

You aren't entitled to complain to people who experience the consequences of these people's actions that they're wrong to call them shitheads. They are shitheads. You just love them anyway because they're your family.

I never said they weren't shitheads. I said they can be saved, and stopped from being shitheads. Why is that so controversial to you?

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Lightning Knight posted:

It's not controversial to me. You whining about "righteous liberal outrage" or whatever is, or more accurately I just find it laughable.

You're mad at people for not having patience for their abusers.

Racism is a successful strategy to break up the lower classes and this thread is the best proof that it works

Edit: sorry, I should have said this forum. Nothing against this thread in particular.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Nazis love to punch other Nazis. That's how he knows they're Nazis.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Stultus Maximus posted:

It's one of the best comic strips still running.
Not sure why it's posted here though.

Val pretty often has subtle political digs (like the last two that I posted) and people like it, so why not?

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

I thought you guys were talking about the video game for a second, I heard BotW was quite good

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Vib Rib posted:

"Look at this person trying to politicize tragedy but only when it fits their agenda," the cartoonist thought smugly, desperately trying to ignore he was doing exactly that.

I mean idiots on both sides do this to be fair

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Duke Igthorn posted:

Yeah, but no liberals ARE saying it's "too soon" or "don't politicize this" so the very foundation of the comic is flawed.

Literally heard a liberal say not to politicize it in the context of new immigration laws on NPR this morning. Both sides do it when they don't want their opponent making hay out of whatever tragedy of the week

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Recap: last time Val met horse nomads, things weren't quite so peaceful...

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Kit Walker posted:

Sure looks that way. The two aren't comparable, either. Val is a cool comic but it's high fantasy and has nothing to do with politics at all.

He says, right after seeing an example of said comic with the white main character defending native Americans against Mongolians with a black man by his side. Seriously, you can admit to not getting it, but saying Prince Val isn't political is a bit much.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Jonas Albrecht posted:

So it is a Zelda protest...

I like Zelda too...

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

cheetah7071 posted:

Prince Val is being posted as some sort of weird protest against Zelda, right

Zetsubou-san posted:

seems to be some sort of strange blue man group protest about both zelda and first dog

Rigged Death Trap posted:

Id like to think its a drunky duck protest

MelvinBison posted:

No, then they'd be posting Family Circus or Garfield.

Ok I'm confused, can you guys please figure out exactly what I'm protesting so I can get back to it. Thanks, love gowby.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Cloud Potato posted:

Mail:
Mac on... Westminster's spiralling sex scandal

'Go on, Doris. Why should Hollywood stars and MPs have all the fun?'

Lmao. classic

gowb
Apr 14, 2005



This has happened to me before, when trying to get a lure out of a cypress. Don't trust water trees!

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Jerry Cotton posted:

That last panel is really good. (I mean it looks like a nightmare and terrible, which is what it's trying to convey I think.) Thanks for posting these, I put the shithead who posts the Milquetoast Generic Hum-Drum Characterless Nordic Biographical Printed Cartoon #3 that is known as Zelda on ignore ages ago.

It's what they get for not listening to Bukota. (This happens a lot)

And thanks, but there's room for both comics I think! :)

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Alhazred posted:

Honestly, its kinda funny that Zelda is both milquetoast and so offensive that people put me on ignore.

The persecution complex is not a good look on you myfriend :(

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Sagebrush posted:

can someone post the cartoon(s) that won ramirez a pulitzer? because want to know if he was once good and just slid downhill or if the pulitzer committee is just a bunch of hacks

It's the latter

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Ularg posted:

I'm waiting for the next logical step in this hosed-up world being "Well if we make pedophilia negative that will just drive them underground!"

People on reddit are literally already doing this, as the vanguard for the """pedosexual""" movement. It's pretty gross to see someone talk about how noble and sympathetic the pedophile is, hated by society and himself, much like my favorite character Humbert Humbert

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Lurdiak posted:

It went back in time and killed him in March.

Oh god, why do I always find out about beloved childhood celebrity deaths in this thread?? :gonk:

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Neodoomium posted:

Prickly City: "Calvin and Hobbes, but minus any shred of empathy or narrative variance"

So, calvin and hobbes

Sorry Valpals, I've been mad busy with end of term stuff so I forgot to post on Sunday.



Bukota :swoon: even in pjs he's a badass

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Jerry Cotton posted:

Fuken jumpscare at the end there :yikes:

Also, photographic proof of Val groping a witch 1000 years older than him

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gowb
Apr 14, 2005

Grimdude posted:

My favorite part is how this is almost AGC just at its face value. Like, that woman is clearly disgusted with Clinton. So is the message "liberal women who are against sexual misconduct are also grossed out by Clinton"?

Because if so, I'm afraid that's not a very useful cartoon there pal.

I mean anecdotally, I know tons of liberal women who aren't grossed out by Bill, and in fact hold him in higher regard than Hillary? Not sure how much that is worth to anyone but me, but it skeeves me the f*ck out.

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