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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Cassa posted:

Switching to Necromunda chat for a minute, a mate wants to play Enforcers, but they're not in either of the living rule books.

They worth grabbing?

They had a weird mechanic where they work in shifts. Like you'd assign models to two teams that basically act as two gangs. There were all kinds of weird rules for Enforcers, IIRC. It was definitely one of the more unique factions.

The figures are pretty impossible to find, though. I made some out of Cadians with SM arms that looked OK.

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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Is there a good resource for 3d printing Epic files? I've found a few good models so far, but I feel like there's a vast repository of player-generated stuff I'm not finding.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



There are some bulkheads in the new Space Marine codex on page 150 that didn't look familIar. I thought at first someone had snuck some Mantic or Imex terrain in, but Necromunda makes much more sense.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



That's a good catch! I've never seen that kit in person. The parts appear in a different build on page 193.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It's for legacy models that are no longer in the line. I think one example is the Librarian or Chaplain on bike.

I don't know, the alternative is just deleting units. Seems like an ok compromise.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It feels weird to come out batting for GW, but you have to squint pretty hard before "rules for discontinued / non-existent kits" starts to look like loving anyone over.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



As I said before, they're still there - just tucked away in another book. Compared to the industry standard of "these are just gone now," that's pretty good.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I feel bad for participating in a derail, and offer these images to atone:


moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I'm kind of amazed that the Epic Eldar stayed tiny when everyone else got bigger in E40k:Armageddon. The only real change on the sprue was guardians going from lasguns to shuricats.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I kind of see it falling into the trap where they will only release only space marines and Imperial titans to gauge its popularity, but it won't get popular because they've only released one faction and a palette-swap.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



The Heresy era is a lot more fleshed out today than it was when AT launched, and the newer titans look amazing compared to the originals. (Although beetle-carapace Warlords will always have a place in my heart.) So it's totally possible that the new game can thrive on Imperial Civil War.

I think most of my fear is rooted in the Warmaster problem, where everybody waited for their faction to trickle out, and nobody played by the time it did.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Those old Falcons are really cool models. I saw an upscaled armourcast one on eBay the other day and realized that the mid 90s is basically my peak warham.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It's also worth noting that if you can't see it to paint it, you can't see it to notice it's unpainted.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



That's kind of funny, given that the Heresy fluff was written to explain Titan Legions.

Is there a Horus Heresy fan version of Shadow War Armageddon? I googled but didn't find anything too complete.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Thanks, I'll check into the Adepticon stuff!

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It looks like the new Necromunda figures are standing on the 25mm Industrial bases that were missing from the initial release.

And they look infinitely better than the ugly-rear end second edition sculpts after it moved to SG.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Agreed on the Goliath bases.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



That board is discouraging, but gently caress the models look rad.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



More info here. I'm totally loving pumped for Space Hulk Necromunda and the return of bulkheads.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Yeah that's kind of a disappointment. I'm sure there'll be a flood of them on eBay, though.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Both gangs had some new, themed weapons. I love that the equipment lists will further differentiate the gangs, and I can't wait to see what the Delaques get. I'm guessing silencers and knives.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Cross posting from 40k thread:

moths posted:

I'm expecting it'll be more gangs and monsters in addition to vertical terrain. Probably more campaign options and maybe hired guns. Basically what the Deathzone supplement was, but for Necromunda.

It's dumb from a day zero DLC model, but it makes sense if they're selling the box as a complete game. They don't want to put rules for "things you don't have" in there to frustrate hypothetical new players.

I mean, I don't especially like it but I get it.

They seem to want the core box to be a self contained stand-alone product. So you get everything you need to play a "standard" game of BB or Necromunda, literally in one box.

It's an interesting decision, and we'll probably see it repeated with the other SG releases.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Necromunda is coming back but OK let's be mad about paying $25 to play it the old way.

It's too bad nobody on the internet kept the old, free PDF they distributed that tells you how to play it the old way.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Atlas Hugged posted:

I'm not sure what the you're talking about, but this reeks of "we can't allow anyone to ever be negative of GW ever".

For a few years after SG went away, they distributed free PDFs of the complete Necromunda 2e rulebooks. These weren't the 20 year old ones, they were the newer Specialist Games version that didn't use templates and had ugly Y2K miniatures. (The red cover with the Orlock pointing a gun down from a walkway.)

GW is absolutely a flawed company, but you're setting your expectations way beyond what anyone should expect from any game company in 2017. It would be nice to get all the gangs, scenarios, and 3d terrain rules. Just like it would be nice to get all the X-Wing cards and rules in one box, all the Bolt Action factions in the core book, or all the model-specific rules for the Batman skirmish in a book. Nobody does that anymore, the industry standard has shifted miles away from it.

I don't mean to come off like GW is doing us a favor by selling us more stuff! And I agree that it's a super frustrating sales model, but it's completely how it works now: If you buy a two-player starter of anything, you only get rules for the two factions in the box. Dark Imperium, Warmahordes, Flames of War, X-Wing, Guild Ball, just about every big title starter I can think of. (Maybe not DZC? And Bolt Action had abbreviated lists.)

If they're smart, there'll be a stand-alone book. (And it's very likely there will be!) It's just silly to get preemptively salty over unreasonable expectations, there's no need to set yourself up for disappointment.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Does this mean cosmetic upgrades? Because I'm 100% ok with splurging on bigger Mohawks.

I just got my Prometheus Forge KS terrain and it looks like a fairly faithful MDF interpretation of the original 90s Necro stuff.

I've also stated saving interesting plastic food containers from my recycling bin. Yogurt containers especially paint up into industrial-looking storage tanks.

I also picked up some knockoff Waffle blocks (called Michley blocks) to form the basis of some under-construction buildings, along with the Manic Deadzone stuff. Terrain isn't the problem that it was back then!

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Maybe, but I think also the added cost of bundling the industrial terrain would have pushed the core game outside of the desired price range.

If this comes in as a $60 small box like Lost Patrol or Gangs of Commorough they will seriously make all the money.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I figured it's going to be in the hundred dollar blood bowl model, but those tiles look cut to fit in the square box or likely the $85 AoS /40k Get Started small box footprint.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Late to terrain chat, but I've been making these from yogurt and dollar-store hair curlers:



It's super cheap and looks suitably industrial.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Thanks! (And whoops, yogurt containers.)

I also picked up some sectional foam mats like you'd use in a garage or exercise area - the kind that fit together like puzzle pieces. They were about $4 each and four of them cover a 3'x3' area. They're diamond grip pattern on the top, but flipped over they have a great concrete texture. I'll get some photos once I'm done painting them.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Should I bother getting the Deathwatch: Overkill boards for Necromunda? It seems like they'd be fun for the board version and they're kind of cheap right now.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



SteelMentor posted:

Starting to wonder if those are new sculpted bases, don't look like either of the two sets GW puts out atm.

They almost certainly are, no 25mm Mechanicus sector bases are currently sold.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I'm so stupidly pumped for this. Models look great, but it's ok to just not like something as a matter of taste or preference.

I cannot wait to dump money into new plastic Orlocks. And give them GSC hybrid heads.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It's impressive that they made something completely inconsistent with the space marine aesthetic entirely out of recycled SM elements.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I really hope we get a PDF and made-to-order for the classic gangs.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I've run into enough "clean wehrmacht," "Stalin was worse," and "both sides had heroes" creeps to be wary.

It's basically a case where not all Nazi players are racists, but enough racists play Nazis to give you pause.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



That's a really good tip! The only swastikas you should expect to see are on DAK trees, Luftwaffe tails, or armbands like the HJ.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Mordheim was seriously my favorite, but I can't imagine GW revisiting the old good world under any circumstances.

Devoting resources to ruined fantasy Bavarian terrain seems out of the question, especially when it would cut into the high fantasy outer space wizard universe.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



That wouldn't really make sense for the timeline, since mordheim was a historical setting in whfb's past that had been resolve by End Times.

Although the videogames and some BL novels have been pretty directly set in the Old World, GW proper has yet to even acknowledge the setting.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



True. That's what is fundamentally wrong with AoS fluff imo.

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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I think as far as GW is concerned, Shadespire is the Mordheim reboot - the same way Silver Tower rebooted WHQ and Dreadfleet replaced Man o'War before it.

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