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Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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TequilaJesus posted:

What's everyone's thoughts on spicing up dialogue tags? One person in my writing group says I use "he said" too much. When I try to throw in "he replied/he asked/he interrupted/he shouted" etc., another will tell me I need to stick with "he said."

Your friend who said you use 'he said' too much should shut up.

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Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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I usually have a story mostly written in my head before I open the word doc.

Of course then sometimes it changes when I start writing but whatevs.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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A human heart posted:

If you're feeling really cool you could just skip that stuff entirely and throw em dashes in front of everything

wait what

edit: no you can't that's dumb

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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That looks horrible

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A human heart posted:

Is there like a stone tablet somewhere that says 'usual practice' that all the new writers need to adhere to or something

nahdowhatyouwantbutsomerulesaregoodandmakeiteasiertoreadyourwriting

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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Here's some fiction: sebmojo is a good writer

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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First person present tense worked p. well in Hunger Games.

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Maybe they think they imagined the thing or they think there's a perfectly rational explanation or some company is pulling a viral prank or they're just more curious than scared

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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TequilaJesus posted:


What do you hate most about fantasy, basically?

Apostrophes or other names that are FANTASY AS HECK.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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Fantasy races that have no real reason to be fantasy races other than the author really likes elves, except the elves act exactly like humans and the fact that they're elves doesn't matter. Conversely, fantasy races that are so alien as to be unrelatable.

Chairchucker
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Rip your names out of the Bible or the Odyssey or some other v. old book

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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Make sure that your foxes use the missionary position

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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How about particularly?

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Nov 14, 2006

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Taciturn Tactician posted:

What's the rules on replacing thunderdome avs anyway? Are they juat straight up forever or you're a coward?

Replacing them costs money and we're all too cheap to do it so we leave them forever.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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I have nothing super constructive to add to some of the good advice that is being given out here, except to say that while at times the harshness of criticism here can sting, it will be way more useful in making you a better writer than what you are likely to get elsewhere, because this is one of the few places I have seen where people don't feel it would be impolite to tell you what's wrong with what you've written.

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Nov 14, 2006

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HIJK posted:

Tbh that's why I don't join thunderdome, I don't want to screamed at and insulted over a badly written short story.


Try writing a good one then

jk all stories are bad

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Nov 14, 2006

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Omi no Kami posted:

Oh hey, that's a great suggestion; thanks!

If you want some practice with short stories, you could always swing by Thunderdome.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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Omi no Kami posted:

I could use a bit of advice about structuring my first act. The story I'm working on is a episodic spy thriller- there's a problem, the team goes on a big, dumb mission to figure out what's going on and stop it, they rest, then a new problem appears. In my first draft I actually start with the viewpoint character getting recruited, and they spend about 20,000 words at spy hogwarts making friends and learning how to pick locks and murder dudes. I like the section, because it really helps you empathize with the protagonist by following them on their journey from normal goober to james bond, but it's a really weird island of content. From the instant they graduate they're in a by-the-numbers spy procedural, and my kneejerk reaction is to say that if that's where the bulk of the book lives, I should toss the deep end and just start the book with them doing what they'll do for the entire story.

So am I being too aggressively structuralist in cutting the opening just because it doesn't follow the same mold as the rest of the story?

Does the opening serve an important purpose in terms of character development, plot development, or being fun to read? If yes then IMO keep it. If not, then don't.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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That free book sounds dumb.

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Fruity20 posted:

hypothetically, if you were tasked to go on a expedition to an island full of strange creatures and dangerous flora, what experts shall you bring with you? (i'm having issues deciding what comprises my main expedition team for a short story of mine)

Botanist, biologist, doctor, soldier, also what's the setting?

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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I read David Copperfield and I liked it

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Fruity20 posted:

I just realized the premise of an adult woman bringing teenagers along (albeit they're monsters or have superpowers) to go monster hunter feels like a premise that could fall apart. for one thing, the kids go to school during the day and there's moments where the lady has to call them in for emergencies. note: they're the same people i've mentioned in a previous question of mine about the grimore or tome.

Depends on the intended tone of the story, but I find the idea mildly amusing and like it.

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Nov 14, 2006

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Fruity20 posted:

Is it okay to take an established mythical being and add your own spin on it? like how my vampires are apparently living rather than dead?

Yeah do what you want

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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I like to write about silly things happening, p. much. I probs have a bunch of more specific things, but mostly it's just silly happenings.

I also like to mix the mundane and the fantastic in fun ways.

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Nov 14, 2006

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feedmyleg posted:

Going by the Wikipedia entry, not at all. I am, however, going to add that to my reading list.

Excellent. Robert Rankin is my boy and I think everyone should read him.

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General Battuta posted:

Also I think the phrase 'blackness enveloped him' is under a fifty year moratorium. It's not your fault, it's just been depleted of all meaning by constant overuse.

Instead try using

DARKNESS
IMPRISONING HIM

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Nov 14, 2006

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Feels like the rule, then, should more be 'No LitRPGs'.

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Nae posted:

There are millions of talented writers out there, and millions more got time to write when COVID forced them to stay home. Your writing doesn't have to match your identity, but publishers have no incentive to take it when they can take one of the thousands of other stellar submissions from people whose identities and manuscripts match up.

But in this case, one third of the manuscript does match up. Should all three protagonists be the same?

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I don't necessarily have a problem with protagonists dying in general, but I think there are times when it feels like an author feels like they have a contractual obligation to kill someone off every now and then. I'm specifically thinking of Robin Jarvis, who wrote (IMO) pretty entertaining Young Adult fiction about talking animals going on fantasy adventures, and also seemed to have an aversion to a completely happy ending, with the most notable example I can think of being a villain coming back in ghost form after they'd died in order to poison one of the main characters, in like the last page or something, after they'd all celebrated their victory over the forces of evil.

Anyway, that just felt like a massive bummer for the sake of it.

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Why not post about things you do read?

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Nov 14, 2006

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Another possibility if you're keen on writing and getting feedback on your writing is Thunderdome.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3989882

The current week is going to wrap up soon, but there will be another prompt once that's done.

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Nov 14, 2006

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Milkfred E. Moore posted:

I, too, am unable to understand that the learning activities I had in elementary school are not necessarily accurate when considering the act of writing as an adult.

Come the gently caress on.

They are also bad advice for children.

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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:

Caveat: all the poo poo you make up to sound cool should feel consistent if it's meant to be from the same language/culture. Like if you write like, I dunno, pulling it outta my rear end, Draxathar, you've already kinda developed a soundsystem, a feel. -athar is now a viable ending for names, kinda knightly, almost like "Arthur" but also Drax is a morpheme that people in this culture don't find weird, a punchy plosive rolling into a fricative, strike and roll and hiss, it sounds snakey. You can apply those principles to other names. Snake + knight. There is no deeper logic to "snake" beyond it sounds kinda snakey, bolt it onto a knight of the round table. Kazulad. Rasault. Zilien. Make poo poo up, just make it up consistently. Conlangs are for suckers, and trust me: I spent a lot of time as a sucker.

Not sure English follows that guidance.

Particularly when it comes to giving people names. We steal our names from all over the place.

I think in general this advice applies for insular societies that haven't intermingled with and copied off their neighbours, but otherwise there's probs gonna be a bit of a mix of stuff imo?

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Data Graham posted:


Without getting too E/N, I've wished my whole life that I could write fiction

I would suggest that you can. Sure, it's annoying to find you keep being derivative, but unless you're lifting dialogue wholesale from the source material, you're still creating. A bunch of extremely good stories have built on the creations of people who have come before.

But also, consider joining this:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3989882

If nothing else, perhaps the constantly changing prompts will cause you to create something that you feel happier about.

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Marsupial Ape posted:

Good advice, but I would prefer drugs. Like all the other problems in my life, I am acutely aware how to fix this with actual effort. I just don’t want to. Or don’t know how to want it enough to make it happen. You don’t have to comment on that, I am just griping.

What I am honestly interested in, though, is a thread or somewhere that’s an appropriate venue for workshopping ideas. I miss actual writing classes simply because outside perspectives valuable and motivating.

Sure sounds like you'd like Thunderdome.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3989882

Weekly short story competition, ie an excuse to 'workshop' ideas with at least one judge who will read your writing every week.

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Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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Marsupial Ape posted:

This is me playing ball and ‘buying in’. I’ll ignore all the petty and rather childish mental health shaming previously leveled at me.

'Get therapy' is solid life advice for pretty much anyone, not mental health shaming.

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