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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Epic High Five posted:

I love how Boomer has shifted from a generational designation to more like a description of a syndrome

boomer is a state of mind

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
I don't know much about agricultural value chains but I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the Trump-voting farmers were shortsighted enough to think "Trump says he'll start a trade war with China but that's fine because I don't sell to China, I sell to Middleman Agricultural Transport Inc. [who then sells to China]"

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

InsertPotPun posted:

"I'm not political" usually means they've staked out a position, and they just got asked a question about that position and they don't want to answer it. It's generally when they know answering the question would make them look bad. It's said by people who are as deep as a teaspoon to explain away uncomfortable contradictions when you spend more than 10 seconds thinking about it.

They have not embraced the idea that the personal is political, so they hold very strong opinions on basically every political issue but as long as you don't specifically mention a politician or political party or election then it doesn't count as politics.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Grape posted:

The noble salt of the earth man looked up from his toil. Brushing sweat off his brow.
He paused, a glint of something entered his eyes as he saw me coming.
Down the dirt road I came, nothing with me but the good word. I leaned against the fence really smartly and winked at him. He winked back. The field coincidentally had been tilled into the words "comrade". I told him I was from the internet and from there the rest was poetry.

pounded in the butt by class consciousness

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Scrree posted:

the governor of West Virginia is a Republican, but was elected as a Democrat. He switched parties a few month into his term.

not trying to say that better things aren't possible with better elected officials but boy do the southern democratic party machines make it loving hard

he's also a coal mining billionaire who is the richest person in the state, in case you had any doubts about what kind of person runs for governor in west virginia

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Epic High Five posted:

I've stopped using their misleading terminology and just call them forced birthers

I like "anti-choice" because almost nobody is anti-life but a hell of a lot of people are anti-choice.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Epic High Five posted:

Eh, they'll happily adopt anything you decide to call them in the end but at least with forced birthers you get to describe their own beliefs as identical to those of slave rapists for identical reasons

Anti choice is like, well of course they are they're theocratic reactionaries, their whole identity is wanting a strong white daddy to tell them what to do

Speaking of theocratic reactionaries, here's a fun bit from the Guardian's latest safari piece:

quote:

Nery thinks Trump is certainly doing things no president has done before but they do not include fulfilling the promises he made to “drain the swamp” and put the interests of ordinary Americans first. For the first time in her life, she is scouting out a Democratic candidate to vote for.

“I’m still a conservative. I don’t want somebody who says Medicare for All [public health insurance] and we’re gonna rip everybody’s guns apart. I actually like Pete Buttigieg. He would be my pick if there was a primary right now because he sounds intelligent and he’s a veteran. I like a military man,” she said. “When I said this about Pete Buttigieg to my sister, the first thing she said is: ‘Well, he’s gay. It’s an abomination.’ So is it OK to have relations outside your marriage with another woman? So what about Trump? When I throw that back at my sister all she says is, ‘He’s gay though.’”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/09/republicans-divided-at-grassroots-over-trump-we-dont-speak

lmao not even mayor pete can win over disaffected republicans because theyre theocrats

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Power Khan posted:

You're going to get deported, and your wife will be super sad. When they'll interview her, she'll say "Oh, I meant the bea...I mean brown people, not him!". She'll end the interview with "Our life is ruined, but I'd still vote for Trump in 2020"

the best was the hispanic army veteran whose wife was an undocumented immigrant and then she got deported and he was like "trump 2020"

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Agean90 posted:

I have a tiny bit more sympathy for these guys cause they probably don't understand that all brown people are excluded from republican rhetoric but lmao I'm sure they had plenty of people warning them

one of the people in that article is like "im not really political im a moderate but i voted for trump because of abortion"

like they picked their one issue and they're sticking with it even as he looked into tv cameras and said he would deport them

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Groovelord Neato posted:

I always wondered how 60 whatever percent of people were saying the economy is doing well when it's objectively not for anyone but the very top and I guess I have my answer.

This thread might help:

https://twitter.com/oren_cass/statu...r%3D330%23pti19

Basically economic indicators show everything booming because economics is a poo poo garbage science for morons, but under the surface actual cost-of-living and wage trends have made people way poorer in real terms than they used to be. So every person individually feels the squeeze, but on aggregate the media, which is dominated by people individually doing well, talk to economists who are also individually doing well and measuring the wrong things, keep going on TV and newspapers to tell people the economy is booming and doing great and never been better in the history of humanity. The end result is extreme cognitive dissonance where people are being told 24/7 that the economy is doing great but personally they and everyone they know feel poorer than they've ever been, and how people choose to resolve that dissonance is basically politics in 2020.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Freaking Crumbum posted:

i would think it's both, unless you're meaning that the donor class has 100% control of the party and its values and the poor whites are just the cargo cult it needs to make votes appear on ballots. my question was more "if the poor whites are suddenly no longer able to populate ballots in favor of republicans, what's next for them"

They're already in that situation in some places, and the solution they've come up with is to find numerous creative ways to disenfranchise everyone who isn't a rich white man so that they can keep winning elections with progressively smaller and smaller shares of the population supporting them.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Megillah Gorilla posted:

The gently caress does that even mean? The Left has smeared a virus?

Like, how?

The new line on the right, coming out of Rush and Fox, is that the Coronavirus is just the flu and The Left are trying to make it a big thing to crash the markets and make Trump look bad. Seems they're shook that Trump might take the blame for firing all the pandemic preparedness people and slashing funding to the agencies responsible for protecting the US against infectious diseases and taking no steps to prepare the US for a pandemic and contributing to a worldwide recession that would tank his claims that the economy is humming going into reelection.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Grape posted:

You've become full on irrational Chicken Little if you're trying to say Bush's popularity didn't plummet during his second term.

It did, but not by that much among Republicans.

Here's Bush's approval rating among all adult Americans:



Here's just Republicans:



Reelection happened around Week 200 on that chart. Hurricane Katrina was around Week 240. Katrina affected his popularity among non-Republicans, but among Republicans the thing that really sank him was the financial crisis. And even then he left office with a 75% approval rating in his own party.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

He makes people they don’t like upset. That’s really it.

Yeah, they're dying of whiteness and Trump assures them more than any other Republican in their lifetimes that he'll never give a dime to a person of colour so they're ride or die for him forever.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

CharlestheHammer posted:

eh Italy’s already on fire right now.

once it makes inroads things will get crazy with how fast it spreads

my dude it's already made inroads, we just don't know about it because they aren't testing people

the cdc and all public health authorities combined, across the entire united states, tested eight (8) people on tuesday

coronavirus is already everywhere and if the US actually had the capacity to test people they would know that, but they aren't doing it because for once they don't want number to go up

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

BiggerBoat posted:

So the relief bill that the House passed requiring paid sick leave: I read it comes from the Social security administration and that companies would get reimbursed or something. I hope so because loving CHUD owned smaller businesses being forced by PELOSI to pay their workers sick time are going to loving HOWL of The Government forces that expense on them.

Starting with my giant rear end in a top hat of a boss.

I don't see why they just don't send every American something like 3 - 5 grand right now (or something in line with their current income) and then pay for the cost of testing instead of making sure McDOnalds and Walmart make out OK through this. poo poo, it would probably really help Donald's re-election chances. ALso, it's the smart play because all of that money goes straight back into the economy.

Seems to make sense which is why it won't get done I imagine.

It should tell you a lot about the Democrats that the bill exempts companies with over 500 employees from having to provide paid sick leave.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
The rich already have access to privately-owned ventilators so there's no need to do anything.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Forceholy posted:

I've heard about China calling in their debt from Right wing echo chambers for years. What does that even mean? China will send in shock troops as a form of debt collections?

They think "the US owes money to China" is like you owing your friend $200 and he could at any time turn up at your house and demand you pay him, not like having a fixed-term fixed-rate mortgage with a bank where as long as you make your payments on time they have no recourse, and also if you want to you can wave a magic wand and say brrrrrrrr and suddenly have the money to make your mortgage payment.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Zeroisanumber posted:

Who the gently caress was dumb enough to think that Trump would ever be anything more dignified than a carnival barker?

Think of the endless amount of times that "today was the day Trump became president"

The liberal commentariat have been desperately wishing upon a star for Trump to learn the decorum they think the oval office deserves for literally his entire term

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Let's flip the script a little, instead of Trump voters realizing that they're going to die under Trump here are some people realizing that they're going to die under Trump becoming Trump voters:

quote:

The latest Gallup poll out today finds that Trump’s approval rating is 49% with 45% disapproving, the highest of his term to date and up five points from earlier this month. Additionally, 60% approve of the president’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic with 38% disapproving.

These polls have taken place on near-weekly basis since Trump’s inauguration and it’s only the second time Trump has posted a net positive rating (plus-four). Notably, approval of Trump’s performance among democrats and independents has increased slightly since earlier this month.

Gallup cites a “presidential rally effect” as one possible reason behind the spike:

quote:

Two aspects of Trump’s latest approval rating suggest a presidential approval rally effect. His rating shows a fairly sudden increase, and that increase is seen among both independents and Democrats -- both highly unusual for Trump in particular.

Historically, presidential job approval has increased when the nation is under threat. Every president from Franklin Roosevelt through George W Bush saw their approval rating surge at least 10 points after a significant national event of this kind. Bush’s 35-point increase after 9/11 is the most notable rally effect on record.

During these rallies, independents and supporters of the opposing party to the president typically show heightened support for the commander in chief.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Grape posted:

It actually seemed like he might do those a week ago. But Mitch and friends clearly got the right horse-whisperers up to his ears, and now all his decisions are clearly supply side oriented.

IE "Open everything up soon and send the proles out to work even if they die."

if you believe the kremlinologist libs it's kushner telling him that silicon valley has silver bullets that will solve the virus overnight

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

quote:

The number of coronavirus cases. in Kentucky has jumped to 163, according to governor Andy Beshear. At least one case was contracted at a “coronavirus party”, Beshear said.

“Anyone who goes to something like this may think that they are indestructible, but it’s someone else’s loved one that they are going to hurt,” he said. “Don’t be so callous as to intentionally go to something and expose yourself to something that can kill other people. We ought to be much better than that.”

It was unclear how many people were at this party, or when it was held.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
imagine a world where unemployment doesn't lead to homelessness

it's easy if u try...

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Nottherealaborn posted:

Trump would never allow the world to know he tested positive, unless he manages to get it and beat it. In which case, we will find out after so he can brag that he’s the fittest man alive, unlike sleepy Joe and weak socialist Bernie.

otoh if an audience member suggested Biden was at-risk, Biden would dare the person to cough on him so they could see who dies first.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Grape posted:

Even from a racist standpoint lol at "We shouldn't check people without native status if they have this highly infectious disease!".

p sure they're talking about stimulus checks, not virus testing

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

FFT posted:

what does your heart tell you

hell, here's an article from 2018. Headline: "Leaked ICE Manual Shows Gov't Allowing Informants To Engage In Illegal Behavior, Impersonate Lawyers, Journalists, And Doctors"

conversely, the response of a civilized country:

quote:

All migrants in Portugal will be treated as permanent residents until 1 July to ensure they have access to public services during the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters reports.

Claudia Veloso, spokeswoman for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, told the news agency:

quote:

People should not be deprived of their rights to health and public service just because their application has not yet been processed. In these exceptional times, the rights of migrants must be guaranteed.

The policy also aims to reduce contagion risk by minimising contact between border control service staff and applicants, the statement said.

Portugal has reported 5,170 cases of the virus and 100 deaths, far below neighbouring Spain. Health authorities expect cases to peak at the end of May.

It was not known how many people had ongoing residency applications, but government statistics show that a record 580,000 immigrants resided in Portugal in 2019 and 135,000 people were granted residency that year alone.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

VRViperII posted:

Well, unless you use measurable values, then you will find that every single first world country is objectively better than USA.

To others who replied to my half serious post: you put in a good show of heart and effort for bernie. but the degree to which the American centrist flocked to Biden is disappointing to be kind.

Biden is a poo poo show. You are getting 4 more years of Trump. 7-2 supreme court. You’re going to be bashing your head against a wall battling this for the next 30 years, and unless politics is your career, why? Out of some sort of nationalistic pride? In the loving USA?

I understand there is difficulty in emigrating. But I know so many new Canadians, none of which are refugees, none of which come from wealthy backgrounds, that it must be feasible.

TLDR: Come to Canada, eh?

Bad news for you about Canada, champ.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

FMguru posted:

Trying to make a list of 80s business guy Power Moves that our big wet idiot president loves to use. Here's what I have:

- Calls a meeting on short notice; show up late
- Starts meeting with a surprise (often ill-considered) snap decision
- Bright red power tie, extra long (for that big dick energy)
- Yank-your-arm-out-of-its-socket handshake
- Everyone gets a belittling nickname (e: or gets their name intentionally mispronounced)

Which ones am I misssing?

- Randomly fires people for disagreeing with or upstaging him

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

raminasi posted:

doesn’t Canada pretty consistently imitate our idiot political decisions, just a few years later?

Canada is currently run by a charismatic young neoliberal who came to power five years ago promising sweeping change against a tired conservative party with an unpopular leader, then delivered on basically none of it despite having a solid government majority, disillusioning the young voters who turned out for him in record numbers. He just won an unconvincing reelection against an uninspiring white religious conservative (who won the popular vote anyway lol), despite the fact that during his first term his party lost control of basically every province to hardline far-right conservatives who are gutting the social safety net and doing their best to attack marginalized groups. Can't wait to see where the next election takes us!

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

VRViperII posted:

The Canadian left sucks. They have a lot of power up here. I don’t know where you get that idea. Lol at someone under the thumb of trump mocking Ford (i’m west I don’t GAF about him) when Ford is to the left of Biden.

Good luck! the door is always open!

narrator: the door is currently closed

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Eat This Glob posted:

look at boomer junior over here acting cool lol

old genx are just young boomers
young genx are just old millennials

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Post Trump administration members realizing they're killing Trump voters here:

quote:

In the words of one administration insider, to the Guardian: “The Trump organism is simply collapsing. He’s killing his own supporters.”

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Trump can never do anything wrong, so people like that interpret criticism of Trump as playing politics.

They listened to right-wing media that told them it was no big deal because Trump was saying it was no big deal, and dismissed the rest of the media telling them it was a big deal because that meant they were playing politics by criticizing Trump. Now that it's clear it's a big deal, they're just continuing their previous criticism that the media was just playing politics, only now adjusted to "if only they had told us this was a big deal instead of playing politics!"

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
charge them all with criminal negligence imo

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

etalian posted:

In the US Trump refused to use the test kits developed by the WHO even though they had a much greater accuracy than the ones the CDC was trying to produce.

This whole coronavirus thing with the US absolutely refusing to learn anything from what other countries have done right or wrong and refusing to use anything developed by another country reminds me of the WW2 story that when the US entered the war Britain tried to tell them "hey here's all the stuff we learned about how not to die to German submarine attacks" and the US was like "lol gently caress off we do things our own way" and then a bunch of ships got sunk by German submarines and then they started doing the British advice like turning off lights in port cities and sinkings went down. US insistence on being exceptional even at the cost of American lives has a very, very long history.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
they could've appeased him by renaming it Tom Clancy's Bombay Sapphire Gin

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Trump is the guy legitimately asking why they don't make the whole plane out of the black box and then insisting it was a joke when someone explains it to him.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

see obama gets blamed for katrina

whoever the next Democratic president is will retroactively get blamed for Covid, even if they take office in like 2032.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Small business owners: if you raise minimum wage by $0.05 per hour I'll go out of business because of my razor-thin profit margins!
Also small business owners: let's reopen the economy so I can run my restaurant at 10% capacity!

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Mr Interweb posted:

i'm sorry, are you all unironically seeing those numbers as BAD?

the olds ALWAYS go for republicans. even obumbler lost that demographic. the fact that trump is losing them by double digits is something i'd figure he'd be making GBS threads himself over

Overall Biden is only up by 5 in that CNN poll, 51-46. That's up by 5 despite supposedly having a double-digit lead among conservative old people. It's also down from a 53-42 overall lead in the same poll from last month. Biden is behind in the 35-49 age group and tied in the 50-64 age group, and he's going to do a terrible job turning out the Democratic base of young people and voters of colour among whom he leads while he desperately tries to appeal to old people who will happily tell pollsters they're leaning Biden and then vote straight-ticket Republican in the voting booth.

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