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ElGroucho posted:*Fast forward 20 years, the English are living like industrial waste persons in a European backwater, they way God intended* i'm morbidly curious to see what capital plans to do with all the empty space left behind when the very people that voted to keep capital in power start dying off in droves. what use does capital have for 100000 empty homes in ecological disaster zones when there's nobody left who'd want to own them or live in them?
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Relin posted:people will just move back in (unless you mean the parts that are underwater) if they can afford it. people keep rebuilding in hurricane zones every year without learning any lessons (aside from the poor who cant move) i mean that climate change is going to kill off a ton of people that voted for the politicians that enacted the policies that will cause the global collapse. when these people die in some part of the country / world that's then uninhabitable due to environmental collapse, what use are the assets that get left behind? houses specifically are notorious for being immobile, but i figure capital must have some back-pocket plan for that poo poo because they literally can't NOT have some angle planned to keep the grift going. like right now there's literally more unoccupied homes across the US than homeless people, but obviously the banks aren't just going to agree to let people live in them rent free. but what's the plan when the outstanding inventory of unoccupied homes MASSIVELY outnumbers the total population of people that could even theoretically occupy them, let alone what happens when said homes are located somewhere that no human can survive?
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Sep 4, 2019 05:50
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J.A.B.C. posted:This. yeah but at the same time, capital will figure out how to monetize the death squeal of the pig as it's slaughtered in the abattoir because it compulsively has to make number go up. so i guess to update my original question, i agree they might not have an explicit plan now, but i'm still curious how they'll try and monetize a bunch of "valuable" assets that can no longer be occupied because they exist in spaces that are uninhabitable for humans.
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Sep 4, 2019 15:52
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Grondoth posted:Why is it so loving hard for people to see this? The destruction of small farming doesn't matter to agribuisness, which is what the right actually means when they say "farmers." Every parcel of land that used to belong to a family being owned by an international business that's just vertically integrating their supply chain isn't a bug, it's a loving feature of these policies. Why won't people just stand up for themselves? because if a good thing happens to me but it also happens to a brown person, then somehow i got screwed! i would rather create a living hell for myself if it reduces the chance of a nice thing happening to a brown person
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Sep 10, 2019 03:23
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Agean90 posted:until trump gets out of office that's the more frustrating proposition for me - even when he does finally leave (assuming he does) it's not like all these god-awful people and their racism and general insanity are going to go back to pretending to be normal. that cat is out of the bag, and i almost feel like any serious opposition candidate needs to have an actual plan for how they plan to address the massive behemoth of racism and nazism that's necessarily going to still be around after trump is gone. even if you could snap your fingers and completely remove him and every one of his cronies from a position of power, what the hell do you do with the 100 million racist shitbirds that have become out and loud about their harmful ideology?
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Sep 11, 2019 20:55
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pseudanonymous posted:where the FBI turns from viewing white supremacists as harmless and views them as the domestic terrorists and extremists they are. that's literally the problem i am talking about though. the FBI isn't a bunch of emotionless robots that just blindly follow the law regardless of what the law is, it's an organization staffed by real humans that have thoughts and opinions and biases. sure, trump might have given a clear statement "you need to start ignoring white nationalist groups because they're actually good and cool" but the people that didn't immediately leave are at the very least of suspect morality, and possibly even supporters of that initiative. trump spontaneously leaving office isn't going to convince a bunch of racists that stuck around that it's time to stop being racist, and when those racists are embedded at all levels of local and federal government, it becomes difficult for me to envision that all of these compromised agencies are just going to magically start behaving in a way that's more sane and humane. as an example along the same lines, you can't reform ICE. anybody that's still stuck with that organization through the creation of concentration camps and the other various human rights atrocities they're actively committing isn't redeemable. if trump disappeared tomorrow, all of those people and all of their institutionalized awfulness and all of their infrastructure that allows them to perpetrate this bullshit will still exist, except now they'll basically be left to their own devices in terms of how gruesome they want things to get. the idea that the FBI or other federal agencies that are staffed by people sympathetic to the alt-right would suddenly decide "welp new president, time to start fighting the bad guys" is implausible to me. it's more likely to me that they would use their resources to help these people evade capture or otherwise enable them to keep spreading their hate
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Sep 19, 2019 15:38
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VitalSigns posted:Most poor rural people don't vote so maybe we could try giving them something to vote for...nah gently caress em let's try winning over affluent white suburbanites again by offering to build half the wall an interesting thing about people that don't vote is that they're tacitly admitting "i am fine with the way things are going, to the extent that i do not feel a significant threat of loss by not participating in the electoral process" you know, because typically the people out there bothering to vote are the people that want to enact some kind of change it's like hearing middle-class WASP women say "before 2016 i thought politics was just this unfun hobby that boring people got involved in, but now i am concerned and engaged!" and what it's revealing is that the speaker was more-or-less fine with the way the country was working, prior to them suddenly realizing their personal quality of life might get shot to poo poo there's a strong argument to be made that trump directly "gave them something to vote for" and unless you're going to try and sell them socialism-but-violently-racist there's probably no message you've got that they'd care to hear
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Sep 23, 2019 20:55
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Serf posted:lol gently caress you i suppose i can specify "people that are not otherwise prevented from voting, but choose not to" because obviously there's all kinds of insidious bullshit that gets passed into law to keep certain classes of people from voting. nobody is trying to stop working-class whites in the midwest from voting (as far as i know) and that was the group that was originally being referenced
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Sep 23, 2019 21:17
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AngryBooch posted:
the complete lack of introspection is just what melts my brain. all these dudes look at all of the possible angles they could try to solve for the problem of "how do i get a girlfriend" and the one thing they NEVER go anywhere near is "maybe i just need to learn better social skills, how to relate to women in a healthy way, reconsider what kinds of things come out of my mouth" they'll write war-and-peace length manifestos about how  are too emotional and unpredictable and are level 25 chaos dragons or whateverthey'll expose themselves to dangerous experimental surgery they'll try out all kinds of bizarre diet & exercise trends and inflict unusual medical conditions on themselves because of malnutrition they'll throw themselves into joyless careers that provide a veneer of success or class despite the fact that they hate doing it but the one thing that they can't ever possibly consider is that maybe they just really need to re-learn how they speak to women. or they'll consider it, but only from the perspective of "the problem must be i don't know the specific brain wizard words to say to trick a female into giving me sex" and then pay other chuds hundreds or thousands of dollars to learn what amounts to an introductory class in abusive narcissism
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Sep 26, 2019 20:08
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:like if you don't fall for it when David Duke starts going on about how the KKK isn't about hating black people... it's about loving white people! consider why it is you're entertaining the same framing from redpillers, that's completely fair and i guess the reason is i just never put their ranting into the same kind of context which then means the idea that incels just need to learn how to be more emotionally intelligent is like believing that racists just "need more education about inequality and then somehow they'll recant their ways too"
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Sep 26, 2019 22:47
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Smirking_Serpent posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/out-here-its-just-me/2019/09/28/fa1df9b6-deef-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html apparently the immigration of medical professionals from other countries was the main way a lot of these towns were keeping their hospitals staffed, but between the huge changes that are being made to immigration policy and the fact that many skilled immigrants are re-thinking whether or not they actually want to live in the US, even that spigot is drying up. most of the trump people in bumfuck AR or shithole OK or whatever aren't even a long term problem. between type 2 diabetes and their various addictions and their derelict health systems, those folks have already all but signed their death warrants. the bigger, on-going issue is going to be the shithead regressives from middle and upperclass white communities that can afford to pay for their healthcare and will otherwise live to continue spewing their hateful bullshit. gavin and spencer and smol ben et al are going to be more responsible for the long term damage done, not cletus and his rapidly dwindling number of years left on this earth
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Oct 7, 2019 04:10
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TotalLossBrain posted:they should just form their own state. they should if for no other reason that the iterative balkanization would necessarily continue (why should the people west of the 101 get my tax revenue? why should the people the next block over get my tax revenue? why should my neighbor get my tax revenue?) like a set of nesting dolls until they've got a population of 1600 individual "states" that can't accomplish anything because they refuse to cooperate with each other in any way
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Oct 7, 2019 17:40
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BiggerBoat posted:The same people I hear lamenting how much football players make or how little warehouse workers earn always think that the CEO's "earned it" through hard work. it's cognitive dissonance kicking in. otherwise they might have to engage with that fact that they will never be CEOs and that those rich assholes likely did nothing to earn their station, which means they've voluntarily eaten poo poo their whole life for no reason, and that is a tough row to hoe
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Oct 8, 2019 01:31
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InsertPotPun posted:Because they're taught to believe that everything is finite. There's only so much money in the world so we can't afford healthcare for EVERYBODY! There's only so much freedom to go around, only straight whites can get married. You better get your safety and security before some filthy immigrant takes it. They're taught to fear not getting something because it may just be the last one. WHILE being taught to consume as much as possible because times are good. So eat, drink, and roll coal. Before they take it all away. These people are soaked to the bone with fear because they've been taught that they are a target their entire lives. And only a republican will protect them from the other. WHILE being taught that to admit or show fear is weakness. And you need to fear weakness. So always be afraid but never tell anyone. this is the most succinct explanation for my boomer parent's thought processes (and the basic messages they tried very hard to instill in me growing up) i've ever read.  everything is a zero-sum game and any time you don't get what you wanted it's because someone else took it away from you (not because your desire was unrealistic, or because you didn't put in any effort, or etc.). everybody everywhere is always trying their best to screw you over or somehow take advantage of you, so of course the only rational response is to act extremely devious and sneaky and make sure you rip off everyone else first. also if you are a man you can only respond to disappointment with anger. you can't ever be sad or scared or concerned or anxious, it's either outlandishly disproportionate anger or nothing, because having any other emotional reaction is something that only women do (and also we'll arbitrarily use this as justification to treat women like second class citizens)
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Oct 8, 2019 16:54
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FMguru posted:"I'm sure when white people talk about cracking down on and banning and deporting all muslims, they'll make a careful distinction and exception for minority sub groups like us." - something those dumb fuckers actually believed. maaaaaaaaaybe people of east/southeast asian descent that have fair enough skin are "safe" but pretty much every other ethnic group not from europe is boned they really think "Christian" is the descriptor that's going to save them, but in reality it's a binary pass/fail on "do you have white skin". if you can't say yes to that, this administration will create an excuse to lump you in with every other person they're trying to deport
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Oct 13, 2019 20:51
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Dreddout posted:The gently caress are you talking about? i think the idea is, trans people were always on the conservative shitlist, but they were a lower priority than "the gays" because they were far fewer in number and there was very little attempt at giving them visibility on a national stage (rupaul and some other token people notwithstanding) now that "the gays" are have achieved a significant level of accepted normalcy in our country (and more importantly, have secured actual legal protections) the hate for trans people has become amplified, because they're next on the shitlist and they don't yet have the same legal protections that cis gay people have obviously it's unsafe for both cis gay and trans people to be out in large swaths of our country even in TYOOL 2019, but relatively speaking gay rights have become more mainstream so trans rights is the next thing the conservatives will piss and moan about
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Oct 15, 2019 01:10
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Knight posted:Pretty useful vector for them to make attacks on LGBT, enforce gender conformity, and even try to beat back cultural changes for the past few decades (aka: "There's a person with short hair and pants in the woman's room! Help, I'm being attacked!") it's wild. i cannot recall any time off the top of my head, even anecdotally, that i have heard of a MtF trans person attacking / assaulting / raping a cis woman in any location (public bathroom, office closet, etc.) but i can recall multiple examples of cis het men attacking / assaulting / raping a cis woman in a variety of locations just in 2019 alone. regressive galaxy brain: well . . . that must be because . . . it's happening ALL THE TIME but the FAKE NEWS refuses to report on it. yeah, that's the ticket!
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Oct 15, 2019 15:38
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:“We do things constantly to try to remove the negative consequences of poor behavior, unacceptable behavior, quite frankly,” Schultheis told the Senate. that's probably the most succinct encapsulation of the regressive worldview i could imagine. everything they process has to be in terms of "who is being punished" everything you do should result in your being punished somehow, for some reason, and they get apoplectic when they feel like somebody isn't being punished who should have been.
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Oct 15, 2019 19:19
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Militant Lesbian posted:Hi. FYI RuPaul is not a trans woman, he is a transmisogynistic gay man & drag queen (trans women are not drag queens and vice versa). Please never mention his problematic rear end when talking about transgender women again, thanks. for sure! i didn't mean to imply any declarative statement of value, just that rupaul is probably the most prominent cultural touchstone a lot of conservative people have with anything even approaching trans-culture. the fact that he's even associated with trans people at all should be indicative of how little attention mainstream culture has paid to trans people / issues
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Oct 15, 2019 19:55
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:maybe in some of these shithole states a bunch of men would just strut into ladies' rooms, claiming to be trans, and proceed to peep and assault the women, if they (erroneously) thought there was a loophole that made it legal. maybe the people warning us are the ones who know, deep in their heart, that they'd totally be the ones doing that? yeah that's basically the case like when mike huckabee made a joke about "if i knew i could just pretend to be a lady, i would have spent a lot more time in the girls' shower in high school" and a lot of people in the audience laughed too hard or just straight up agreed with him or when some other unhinged dude (the name escapes me, i think it was a duck dynasty person?) went on a rant about how he hoped the liberals DID take all the guns away, so that some violent burglar could break into liberal's homes and murder them and rape their wives & kids the 2016 RNC was wild. it was the mask coming off with the exultation of a person that truly believes they don't have to hide anything any more i think it has to do with the uncritical nature of their upbringing - if you're only ever told "worship god or else YOU GO TO HELL" that sets the expectation that the only reason to do a thing is to avoid a punishment / horrible fate, which then inhibits people from realizing there's better reasons we don't all indulge in psychopathic murderer fantasies
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the thing i am looking forward to the most about the 2020 election is that, regardless of the outcome, people will finally stop re-litigating the 2016 election.
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Nov 4, 2019 19:02
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Doc Hawkins posted:yeah, just like after nixon won everyone stopped relitigating the vietnam war, and those cultural divisions never effected their politics again at the same time, i can't recall the last time anybody seriously made noise about the outcome of the 2000 election to any significant extent. i'm not saying people will forget about it or that the underlying issues will disappear; i just look forward to a whole new batch of conspiracy theories related to the outcome of 2020 sucking all of the oxygen out of the room.
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Nov 4, 2019 20:51
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CharlestheHammer posted:only if you don’t try. ime it has to do with democrats / liberals being labeled the big tent party, which then gives bad faith actors the opportunity to try and what-about any nascent liberal group into oblivion, or to "just ask questions" until the group implodes. basically i think a lot of well-meaning groups need to do a better job of setting boundaries. "yes, we're liberals. yes, this group's primary concern is Issue X. yes, Issue Y is also a very important thing and we definitely want to approach solutions for Issue X in a way that doesn't invalidate Issue Y; however, this group's primary concern is Issue X and that's going to be our focus going forward. no, we're not going to waste time justifying our action/inaction about Issue Y against your strawman what-about riddle games."
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Nov 12, 2019 21:46
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I've never watched The West Wing but I sure saw this lol what the gently caress was that even about pointless inter-character drama > NO YOU SIT DOWN > sir, i love are troop (?) > dramatic success music and everyone sharing knowing smiles that scene went through like 4 different aesthetics and it was just complete nonsense. the dramatic music at the end felt forced like they were hoping you'd pick up the audio queue and go "oh yaas this character did a good thing" instead of "what the gently caress was any of that about"
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Nov 13, 2019 16:26
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Shipon posted:if there's one thing that the past few years has taught me it's that having a college degree should make you ineligible in participating in democracy. college-educated liberals and conservatives are 100% scum who buy into liberalism and have zero sense of social good because the university is a rancid institution that destroys all sense of solidarity you're apparently implying that going to the university is what transformed right thinking comrades into neoliberals (?) when i think the issue is that the vast majority of colleges & universities are extremely expensive to attend, so it's more likely that attendance is going to overrepresent people with the financial means to afford to be there, and the fact that the people that can afford a degree have already spent 18 years of their life being told various classist poo poo is the bigger issue like, you'd have a point if all universities were 100% free to attend and the people that graduated still overwhelmingly came out acting like neoliberal shitballs, but in the case of the US i don't think you're accurately targeting the cause here (it's wealth stratification)
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Nov 18, 2019 21:09
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One More Fat Nerd posted:A lot of that has already happened, too. Billing, accounting, and data analysis that previously took rooms full of people are done by one dude with excel. I'm not sure why that doesnt have the cultural impact of auto workers losing out to robots. computer touchers aren't "Real America" so they don't count. my guess why is that a not-trivial number of people employed in the tech sector are legal aliens or otherwise immigrants, so them losing their jobs is the leopard-eating-faces-party harming someone they are "supposed" to harm (from the perspective of the aggrieved)
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Nov 18, 2019 21:17
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Shipon posted:college courses never acknowledge that part other than in the most woke "we need more women of color business leaders" sense. sure they do! everybody's had a group project forced upon them where they realize either: A. that having to rely on other people is a living hell so you better just take over the entire project and do the work yourself OR B. you realize there's always someone like A in every group, so you can just skate by with minimal effort on the back of A's control issues Shipon posted:4 years of doing nothing but taking individual coursework and testing and having your number be the most important factor in your life for that can't be helpful in getting people to recognize they are part of a greater whole i mean, that's more of an indictment of how the entire educational system in the US operates (which i will definitely agree is broken on multiple levels) but that's not a special thing that only happens in college. i don't think the problems you're laying at the feet of the US university system are accurately targeting the actual cause
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Nov 18, 2019 22:04
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Shipon posted:i fail to see how the realization about group projects in any way helps when the lesson is "someone needs to be the great person to singlehandedly take charge because working together never works". if anything that furthers my point that it's teaching a toxic lesson about relying on "10x individuals" my AB response was a sarcastic joke, but i can see how poe's law could make it difficult to decipher that the entire existence of a university system was broadly based on the wealthy needing to provide a veneer of legitimacy to their wholesale transfer of wealth between generations of family "well, i am rich and successful and i want to make sure all of my stolen wealth makes it to my kids and doesn't end up back in public coffers. what if we make up this special place that costs a lot of money to attend (to keep out the poors) and then we use attendance at this place to justify why my kids should get to keep my money? brilliant!"
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Nov 18, 2019 22:54
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i know it's not trump people getting their faces eaten by the leopard they voted to live in their house, but i genuinely appreciate some of the ideas people are proposing because of the derail. the idea that voting for the lesser of two evils just ensures that you're only ever going to be given that same option time and again is powerful and, despite feeling very obvious once you hear it, was not previously self-evident to me. i guess the frustrating thing for me is, it feels like not taking the lesser of two evils choice is still putting vulnerable people at risk, because it creates the possibility that the fascists get to secure another 4 years holding the executive branch hostage. like, the lesser of two evils is obviously not good, but it might at least reduce the immediate harm coming to people that are already living in the margins. maybe i could personally weather another 4 years of trump, but i feel like it's unethical to voluntarily opt-out of the electoral process in order to send a message about the validity of democratic candidates, with the very real consequence of my actions being it's going to be another 4 years before we find out whether or not my protest action even mattered. the system is going to continue to exist whether or not i personally participate. how do people square all that with their desire to help others? focus on acting locally, community action, and take the national politics as a loss in the short term?
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Nov 19, 2019 17:06
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:are you expecting all of those marginalized people to only live another four years? yes? i mean, we've got human beings in concentration camps on our borders, that seems like it's an imminent threat in real time. i guess i don't know for certain how long anyone is going to live, but it definitely seems like there's a ton of time sensitive problems occurring simultaneously. maybe they aren't? i don't know, i'm trying to make sense of this and it doesn't seem like there's a lot of time left to leisurely turn things around (incrementalism has proven pretty well toothless)
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Nov 19, 2019 17:43
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FMguru posted:Let's check in on that private grift to build THE WALL why stop at snipers tho? why not tell them you've got your private squadron of F-15s doing fly by recon of their property 24/7? your elite trident class nuclear sub is parked deep in the gulf of mexico, its nuclear payload well within striking distance of the butterfly sanctuary? that your "finger of god" orbital atomic battery is stationed in geosynchronous orbit over the building, just waiting to wipe the pathetic structure off the map as your finger hovers over the red button? that dude appears to be operating on a cobra commander level of ridiculousness
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Nov 21, 2019 21:30
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just don't invite anyone over to dinner that holds reprehensible beliefs how hard is this oh but you see we have to invite racist uncle bill because he's related to us gently caress no you don't. why do so many people struggle to understand this
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Nov 29, 2019 06:35
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Asimov posted:You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family. "You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family" is definitely one of the lovely indoctrination things my awful boomer parents used to harp on all the loving time when i was a kid. it's weird, it always got paraded out to justify someone in the family being a big rear end in a top hat; it was never used to explain why someone was being kind or helpful or considerate in either case, i sure as poo poo never bought into the lie. i haven't invited my awful boomer parents to thanksgiving in over ten years because they're awful boomer parents you only get one life, don't waste it spending time with toxic people, whether they're your genetic relations or not
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Nov 29, 2019 14:46
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Grape posted:Nine of them aren't.  Scott Forstall posted:https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1201180744162299904?s=20 you know what, make it legal for these twats to bury claymore mines in their living room and rig elaborate boiling oil cauldrons over their own garage doors, it's just natural selection taking its course & they're only a threat to themselves
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Dec 2, 2019 00:26
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FMguru posted:It's always amusing that when white people confront the reality of the welfare system - how threadbare and meager and unreliable it is - after spending their whole lives believing that being on welfare is essentially a paid permanent luxury vacation for Those People. Rather than realizing that they've been lied to their entire lives, they shift to believing that there's a second, hidden, secret welfare system just for Those People that they are being denied access to, and it makes them vote for Republicans even harder. it's just the moonie cult in a different context. people that spend their entire lives constructing an elaborate fantasy world for themselves often double down even harder on their beliefs even when confronted with objective, incontrovertible evidence to the contrary
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Feb 17, 2020 21:10
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Groovelord Neato posted:I am loving business magnates actually believing the promises of the brainless pathological liar who's notorious for bankrupting a bunch of his own companies. The party is rubes from bottom to top lmao if you own a business but you've never spoken to trump personally at a manhattan penthouse party, he doesn't give a poo poo about you and his policies are not intended to benefit you. doesn't stop every dude who is "CEO" of his own business employing 5 total people from acting like they're his best personal friend, but it does make their inevitable flaming tailspin hilarious to watch
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Feb 17, 2020 23:02
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Erghh posted:Also related: Emergency/First Responder services in rural PA have pretty much collapsed for lack of funding. There's a lot going on with "MaH TaxEs", privatization, dying small towns and FYGM but the point is the other side of that coin is that people in urban areas - which can at least support the infrastructure for first responders - aren't calling 911 either because they know they literally can't afford the ambulance ride. apparently people are now using uber / lyft for rides to the hospital more commonly when the injury isn't obviously life-threatening those are your two options in the united states in tyool 2020. either you live somewhere too poor to provide emergency medical services, or you live somewhere that you are too poor yourself to pay for the EMS that exists
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Feb 19, 2020 21:29
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Laterite posted:Post Trump voters realizing that they're going to die under Trump, are 100% okay with this, and in fact embrace it. i wonder if there's enough trump voters living at / near the poverty line that will die over the next four years, sufficient that the republican party becomes electorally untenable? or gerrymandering and voter suppression and blatant election fraud will mean it no longer matters how many people objectively voted for anything any more. or, on the other side, if a sanders victory and a successful implementation of m4a saves these people's lives, do they acknowledge what good fortune has befallen them, or do they continue to piss and moan about how the imaginary brown people that live in their heads are getting more help than they are
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Feb 24, 2020 16:48
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Halloween Jack posted:The Republican Party base is rich white people, not poor white people. i would think it's both, unless you're meaning that the donor class has 100% control of the party and its values and the poor whites are just the cargo cult it needs to make votes appear on ballots. my question was more "if the poor whites are suddenly no longer able to populate ballots in favor of republicans, what's next for them"
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Shipon posted:white gen z who are already adults are a bit more trump friendly because they didn't graduate college into a recession gen z can be adults now? i thought millennials went from mid 1980s to mid 200Xs. at any rate, i think class is still the determining variable. "didn't graduate into a recession" is only meaningful if you also didn't finish school buried in debt, which is really only going to apply to a very specific subset of graduates
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