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mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
Well, we all survived January 2017. Maybe this is the month for the sweet release of death.

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mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Trickjaw posted:

Please don't say that, I'm in hospital right now, and happy to note the staff are better than we deserve. Two things I have learned: I) Shouting ' Get your hands off me, you black bastard' does not assure preferential service and II) Catheters are the work of the devil, and I wish them to every Tory.

NHS staff are loving great, won't catch me disputing that, but not even they'll save you from the impending apocalypse.

Sorry about your catheter.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Pencils R Cool posted:

Apologies if this was posted in the last thread but this has really got me thinking:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/inside-the-private-chat-rooms-trump-supporters-are-using-to?utm_term=.nfJmmqDBV#.jbANNRjw1

How likely is it that similar groups are targeting UK users? I'm talking about BBC News articles being swarmed with far-right comments minutes after being posted, Twitter users with dubious profiles posting generic pro-Brexit/pro-Trump comments etc.

I'm talking about poo poo like this:

https://twitter.com/TheCleaner13/status/826462764705181696

If there's one thing I learned from my time with the Scientology protest lot, it's that these people LOVE feeling like massive conspiracy puppet masters.

Basically

spectralent posted:

There's a near 100% chance they already were.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
John McDonnell stated on Today that the most Labour will do to oppose this bill at third reading under any circumstances is abstain.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
On Corbyn and sexuality as choice: most queer theorists would agree with him. That said, that's a nuanced as gently caress position and it's pretty necessary to adopt the argument that it's nature when facing the public to defend from the poo poo we face from bigots.

Ideally though yeah, the way to fight that is "it's perfectly acceptable and you're a ballbag" rather than going down the nature/nurture bit.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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I mean, I feel bad for the sports centre, they're nice and host some of the local LAN parties

but maybe they shouldn't host fascists too

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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JFairfax posted:

theoretically the most likely place that health tourists would come from would be America, but most Americans have no concept of free healthcare so they don't.

yeah, my friend was surprised when I mentioned to her that not only would she get the surgery she needed for free if she became an international student here, but her degree would be a fuckload cheaper too

get educated and save tens of thousands on healthcare and tuition fees, seems good

america sucks rear end

Oberleutnant posted:

Bristol antifa are tasty as hell. That insane Dover demo this time last year, they were all in the thick of the fighting the entire time. :getin:

I mean it's the best city I keep telling you fuckers

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Tesseraction posted:

It was the Labour movement of the 1910s-1920s that fought and earned the right to leisure time.

By this point you'd have hoped you'd have made it to acceptance. Denial isn't healthy dude.

You voted badly and a shrinking of worker protections is the consequence.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Tesseraction posted:

Okay. drat, I voted us into 7 day weeks with 16 hour shifts and likely unpaid overtime on top. Probably bringing back child labour too. Curse my short-sighted desire for bendy bananas.

I'm not gonna store this post up for 3-4 years to spring it on you when we see the white paper for the Business Freedoms Act (2021), but you're a loving daftie if you think the Working Time directive survives much beyond the repeal act, a Brexit-led recession hitting businesses and the inevitable Tory victory in 2020.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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On 4-day work weeks: I have absolutely no problem with Corbyn doing a 4-day week as long as he offers the same right to the rest of the people employed by Labour, else he's a oval office.

If it were a real story, of course.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Zephro posted:

1) there have been (some) big protests

2) Unlike the Cheeto-in-Chief, a narrow majority of the country supports Brexit, because they are idiots; also May's polls are much better than Trump's (not that that's hard, but still) and she is a less divisive figure

3) Labour are poo poo / their voters are divided - support for Brexit is most strongly predicted by age and education and it cuts across party voting lines significantly, especially for Labour, which is these days a party of liberal city dwellers welded to a shrinking bloc of less-educated, poorer working-class supporters and, generally speaking, those two groups have opposite opinions about Brexit

4) 70% of our media have been printing outright lies and bollocks about those MEDDLING BRUSSELS EUROCRATS for 25 years at this point and politicians have used it as a convenient thing to blame whenever anything goes wrong. Imagine if Breitbart and Fox News accounted for 70% of US media consumption over the past three decades. Those chickens have come right the gently caress home to roost.

5) Britain is fundamentally poo poo and stupid and 70 years later, many of its inhabitants still haven't fully come to terms with the fact that it is now a moderately-sized island off the coast of Europe rather than a world-bestriding imperial colossus.

This is pretty much as well as I've seen it put. gently caress this stupid rainy fascist island.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
Labour were unelectable under Miliband/New Labour, reasonably easy to vote for under Corbyn and are now back to being impossible to vote for now.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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kustomkarkommando posted:

We are number one but every one keeps voting for right wingers




The Mail were trying to tie this to Nicola Sturgeon as he's her nephew's sister-in-law's ex-boyfriend or some poo poo. It's all very Spaceballs.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
Here's where we find out that the hack is an ex-partner or some crotchety homophobic relative or something

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Guavanaut posted:

There are animal rights activists who get jobs at slaughterhouses and vivisection labs to do just that, it's where most of the photos you see on the streetside animal rights booths come from. Maybe she was doing a similar thing.

I don't get what GCHQ's problem with whistleblowers is though, if they're not doing anything wrong, what are they afraid of? :v:

Quite a bit easier getting a job at a slaughterhouse than getting access to GCHQ. Not impossible, but the DV is a bit of a blocker.

Also what consequences for shooting someone? Police get off every loving time.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Jedit posted:

No, he's right. If a copper really needs to shoot someone the consequences have to take a back seat or he might be the one who gets shot. The problem is that coppers aren't being properly trained to know when shooting is necessary.

What consequences???

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Jedit posted:

Everyone knows you're the murdering copper bastard.

Who shot Jean Charles de Menezes?

(sounds like the season finalé to some poo poo TV show)

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Fangz posted:

Fun fact: the word for 'Britain' and 'England' are the same in Chinese.

Well yeah, they're smart enough to know that the provinces don't matter :smug:

Now excuse me, this pig head won't gently caress itself

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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A dog turd in a red rosette could've won the 1997 election, which is coincidentally what happened. I'm solidly confident Blair wouldn't win an election right now

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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I'm curious Tess, how does it feel to have completely poo poo the bed with your vote?

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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forkboy84 posted:

And covering up rape.

That goes for a fair number of the socialist parties, sadly

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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If some of the PMs I used to get from Fluo are anything to go by they're probably dull as gently caress

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Jose posted:

I hadn't realised only 2 US presidents in the last 50 years got a state visit and trump is getting one lol

Yep, 4 in history. Nixon, Reagan, Dubya and Obama

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Jeza posted:

The way I read it, every President except one in 36 years has had a state visit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom%E2%80%93United_States_relations#State_and_official_visits

But if you want to quibble official terminology, at least the last three in a row have had state visits.

Interestingly, the US only considers Bush and Obama to have had state visits

https://uk.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/visits-of-presidents-of-the-united-states-to-the-united-kingdom/

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Darth Walrus posted:

Another element of parliamentary procedure that often escapes folks - whips are traditionally a mark of respect for a bill's importance in a system built on tradition. The more important a bill is, the more required a political party is to signal its position on it by whipping. For example, the Syria vote, as a declaration of war, would traditionally be a two-line whip, which is why Corbyn was pounced upon for his weakness when he allowed a free vote. For constitutional amendments, a three-line whip is required - a party failing to have a position on something so important is a sign that they are no longer a party, but a collection of independent MPs. You can go for a lighter whip if you really want, but no whip at all is basically a resignation letter. Since Article 50 was functionally a constitutional amendment, that simply left Corbyn with a binary choice of which way to whip, and so he went for the option supported by a plurality of his voters and 70% of his constituencies.

Cheers, this actually explains pretty well why they whipped when it otherwise seems daft as gently caress

Jeza posted:

Royal Visits are not the domain of the Prime Minister, not to mention many worse people than Donald Trump have had the red carpet laid out for them.

Actually, State Visits are usually suggested by the Foreign Office rather than the Queen's staff. So yeah, it is the domain of the PM.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Tesseraction posted:

But it's good news. He's been ditched by CPAC and his book deal terminated. For the first time in his dumb idiot life he's actually getting the lovely end of the stick he usually beats trans people with.

He's also pretty likely to get booted out of Breitbart, because apparently massive racism/sexism/homophobia are fine, but don't you dare defend kiddy fiddlers

Good riddance, hopefully he'll gently caress all the way off from here.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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radmonger posted:

Tanks are unnecessarily militaristic. Maybe a think train.

Tankies, in MY UKMT? It's more likely than you think

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Jeza posted:

There's no question that state visits have become more politicised. It used to be almost every invited head of state was a monarch or Commonwealth related. Since the late 90s you can clearly see less and less small/irrelevant nations, and more and more big players. Post Clinton it is now the norm for presidents of the US to be invited for a state visit. The only mildly surprising thing this time around is how fast it is happening, and really, it is not surprising. Trump is very pro-UK, the UK is in the middle of Brexit and looking for a stronger relationship with the US.

See, now this is a more sensible analysis. Yes, it's more likely a US president would get a State Visit than it used to be and yeah, no-one's saying that it's particularly surprising. With that said, Trump isn't just any president, he's wildly publicly unpopular.

It's quite a lot like Bush's visit (which Blair got a lot of poo poo for, there were widespread protests etc) except it started being talked about after ~2 weeks in office as opposed to, y'know, well over 100.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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jabby posted:

So there's a bunch of news stories today based on 'sources' from inside the Monday PLP meeting, and Mandelson has told an audience he is 'working every day' to bring down Jeremy Corbyn.

You have to hand it to them, they really stuck to the idea of 'let him fail on his own' as long as they could.

Yeah, decent effort but the wanks in the party have probably realised by now he's not going anywhere

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Lord of the Llamas posted:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/834368967644966913

This result is clearly highly indicative of what the general election results would be.


http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/15022805.Tory_councillor_resigns_position/

Doesn't look like there was any scandal or anything.

This is bad for Corbyn

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Pissflaps posted:

One good result for labour in a council by election and suddenly they're noteworthy.

We're all solidly taking the piss out of you. Council results mean the square root of gently caress all and are almost always predicated on local issues, especially for byelections.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Pissflaps posted:

Why is talking about by election results taking the piss out of me? I don't understand.

Thought it was you giving Corbs poo poo when they lost a couple of council seats not too long ago, though it may have been TinTower

I get my tedious posters mixed up sometimes

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Kurtofan posted:

a mixture of nationalism and socialism

It'll never catch on

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Pissflaps posted:

People are unlikely to start taking you seriously if you insist on pretending people have said things they didn't.

I thought fake news was all the rage nowadays?

Corbs trying to hit May on the NHS at PMQs again. Doesn't seem to be working particularly well.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Looke posted:

I'm pretty sure the Russians interfered with the Bristol mayoral elections in 2012 as well

How we ended up voting yes to elected mayors I'll never know

(that's a lie, it was stupid wanks wanting a version of Boris to get the arena built)

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Especially as it's meant to poo poo it down that day

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Hills are the major negative about living in Bristol

And yet somehow 11 years after moving here I'm still a fat out-of-shape gently caress :shepface:

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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forkboy84 posted:

I went to Newcastle once. Well, I changed trains in Newcastle anyway.

I quite enjoyed this Long Read on The Graun about the Oxford PPE, not that it really says anything new. And it's a bit annoying how the contemporary criticisms were focused on those from right wing people.

Thanks for this link, was interesting. A decent potted history of the degree and it's alumni rather than a critique, but yeah.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Baron Corbyn posted:

What possible reason is there not letting you block someone?

Might be that too many people have blocked her already?

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mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



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Except, y'know, it's pretty obvious that the usual suspects are gearing up for another run on the leadership. McDonnell's being a fair bit more tinfoil hat than necessary, I'd be stunned if folks are in cahoots with the Murdoch press and not just interested in the same end goal.

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