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The Management posted:I don’t know enough to say. it seems like google chooses a kernel for each major release and supports that with security patches for a couple of years or so. of course that means the vendors have to accept the patches into their hacked up kernels and ship a new build, so it might eventually happen. i actually think this is the right approach, long as they keep up with the security patching for a reasonable amount of time. as the kernel driver support is irrelevant there is really nothing to be gained updating kernels pretty much ever if anything changing kernels every major release seems more often than could reasonably be necessary, what are they really getting out of it?
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Sep 5, 2018 12:56
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:MORE LENSES = BETTER THAN well, yeah, if you refuse to increase the depth of the device there aren't that many ways of increasing effective sensor area
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Sep 7, 2018 09:51
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haven't seen whether it works out yet, but it is a perfectly plausible route to better camera performance, and better camera performance is one a distinctly useful thing. lot of old nokia people involved with this stuff, and while stuff like the lumia 1020 also looked weird and came with pretty heavy downsides it was a very nice camera.
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Sep 7, 2018 14:07
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Sagebrush posted:I'm trying to figure out how much of that lens arrangement is actually required by optics and how much is just laziness i'll eat my words so quick if they end up using the lens arrangement for some stupid loving effect and half-rear end improved camera performance in normal tasks
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Sep 7, 2018 17:21
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:get to it then do you know something in addition to the picture or is this a gimmick or what?
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Sep 7, 2018 17:33
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the counterpoint is quite a number of good implementations of dual-lens systems though, once you go beyond 1 you immediately have a bit of a task to merge the sensor data intelligently, but it does not really get fundamentally harder for any number above 2
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Sep 7, 2018 17:38
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:idk it's really difficult to determine if this android pos with 20 cameras glued to it is a gimmick or not if it was huawei or even samsung maybe, but the old nokia camera team and zeiss did knock out stuff like the first optically image stabilized modules and other pretty neat advances on previous outings could still be some silly gimmick thing, but to me at least this falls under pretty interesting stuff to follow
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Triglav posted:"the surprising thing here is that Google ever allowed it on the Play store in the first place" afaik no
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Sep 9, 2018 07:37
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qirex posted:
apples naming is way worse than this, Sirocco is the only weirdo on the list (reference to a classic nokia apparently). the number corresponds roughly to where it is in the market (e.g. price bracket), .1 is a newer revision, and plus have larger screens than the corresponding non-plus there are, granted, rather many of them to keep track of, but differentiating between many models using a number sequence is in and of itself a rather established practice. arguably the original purpose of numbers.
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Sep 12, 2018 16:27
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google abandon good stuff all the time, and i need you to not give them any further ideas lest they kill off scholar next
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Sep 21, 2018 18:35
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indigi posted:is Huawei any good. it has a cool looking name, but, I've never seen anyone talk about their products ever, and, have never heard the word spoken out loud. I could see it being either hoo-a-why (or way) or wah-why (or way) nah, they do decent hardware for low prices (they do their own socs so they can shave of some costs there), but they gently caress up the software a lot, and i wouldn't trust them to do anything useful with this camera setup (though i think it is again horrid overprocessing software letting their cameras down) they are the second-largest phone manufacturer in the world though (apple fell to third just this summer), so obviously the things they sell do more or less function
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Sep 26, 2018 09:32
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expensive phones are a waste of money, and consumerism really is a bad thing
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Sep 26, 2018 12:29
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the world of technology certainly is a depressing place
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Sep 26, 2018 12:53
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the same was claimed about ericsson base stations for a long time, but really near as i can tell they just hired all the people who actually designed the ericsson base stations, which is entirely fair game would be unsurprised if that wasn't at the core of the cisco stuff too
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Sep 26, 2018 14:04
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qirex posted:there are almost none of those people in the larger scheme of things, you just happen to know a bunch of them tbf they are often also really funny, and this is rather the thread for seeking them out
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Sep 26, 2018 16:12
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android really is bad, but just make sure you get a phone on android one and it is bad in more funny than despair-inducing ways (i.e. the security update policy is weak but exists on one) i really hope a third alternative does surface at some point
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Sep 26, 2018 17:38
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Furia posted:I have considered checking out ubuntu phone or mobile or whatever it’s called how sad am I going to be afterwards? it's dead isn't it? i figure the biggest issue with an oss phone is that pretty much all commercial hardware runs on socs which require a bunch of incompatible handholding, extremely fragile firmware setups, and generally paying the manufacturer cash money to have working properly. a bit pre-pc home computer era, but there is no real sign that it'll ever standardize itself
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Sep 29, 2018 13:20
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one point for huawei: i use a b525 4g router as my primary internet access, and that thing is actually great low on features, but very fast, works great, gets excellent signal. probably the first time ive *liked* a router
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Sep 30, 2018 16:18
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i *think* fossil is the originator of these, there are a lot of fashion brand variants i have at times pondered buying a kronaby, which is a non-fossil, but they are pretty pricey and almost as pointless as actual smartwatches
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Oct 4, 2018 17:03
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it is on android one at least
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Oct 5, 2018 17:17
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Lutha Mahtin posted:the HMD Nokia phones look actually almost decent, it's super weird on one level the nicest thing you can say about them is that they have not hopelessly messed them up in some boneheaded way, but that is actually a nicer thing than you can say about almost all android phones
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Oct 9, 2018 13:01
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that palm gimmick is a great approach and i believe a competent well-funded company could make something good of it, but here is 100% no way branded-crap manufacturer tcl has made anything even distantly useful for any purpose competing with apple and samsung is a fools game, but i have no doubt that you could make good money catering to the right niches *competently*
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Oct 16, 2018 17:48
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as i never use the front camera anyway i'd be very happy to give it up rather than have the screen notched, manufacturers need to work a lot harder on differentiating in straightforward non-gimmicky ways
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Oct 31, 2018 15:41
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carry on then posted:are you a tech journalist? constantly demanding change for change's sake so you have something to review could be a good career for you how is this change for changes sake, i was pretty specific why i wanted it? there are thousands of models of phones about, no one cares about your new ai chip, so playing with the formfactor/hardware tradeoff seems a pretty good way to go not least since apple is never going to vary their stuff very far (unless they intend to expand the range a fair bit more), so you're very safe if you find a niche
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Oct 31, 2018 16:36
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no need to support a company, just a model, and the design work involved is quite minimal. i agree we won't see it happen though, so very safe to bet either way v v
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Oct 31, 2018 18:27
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LastInLine posted:given that no devices in the android space except samsungs generate profit and those only do so due to the name (and even then id wager only due to "anything but apple" sentiment not because what they are) theres a strong argument for no one making any android devices at all this though may be quite true, but if manufacturers insist on a thousand designs a year i am pretty sure there is more interesting options to consider than to do than knock-off custom deep learning chips
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Oct 31, 2018 22:33
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yeah, that was my literal post yes, though then tempered with "and/or why bother making a phone at all". this making phones but making them ones no one wants seems a losing strategy overall (tax dodge of some sort?!)
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Nov 1, 2018 09:58
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seems unlikely to turn out a good idea unless there are much thinner screen assemblies than i expect, but neat not least in that the camera budget is then not spent on two separate ones mostly though i too am very much of the opinion that it is at minimum a lot of fun seeing this sort of thing head to market
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Nov 2, 2018 10:52
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if we're going to namedrop a meaningless american design personality as the originator of the notched displays it should be andy rubin in actuality we should of course name some engineering team at samsung that came up with the process for making them, to then (most likely) offer them up fait accompli to the likes of essential and apple, but we don't know their names, and it'd *still* be a bit weird a thing to do to celebrate the creation of fairly pointless consumer goods
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Nov 22, 2018 16:29
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getting to hate the rounded corners, seemingly with increasing radii, more than the notch on each new design dropping a few pixels is not a huge deal, but i do still prefer a mostly rectangular screen
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otoh it would be a sad thing to see an uber driver with an iphone. one can at least hope that he'll dig his way out of whatever has trapped him in that lovely job by not making too extravagant purchases
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Boiled Water posted:can you actually make money ubering? i mean with gas and maintenance is it a net positive? can't say i know. i think people do make some money, but often sub-minimum-wage, and taking huge personal risks in the process i think it is safe to assume that every uber driver is in it out of either desperation or stupidity
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Wheany posted:also gently caress rounded corners on displays, they're almost as bad as having a notch 
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Jan 2, 2019 20:24
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now that it is possible to get security updates consistently without chasing the latest version it is just annoying to wake my phone and discover that suddenly exactly half the ui has rounded corners and the clock has moved to the other side of the screen for no reason or actual benefit
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Jan 3, 2019 18:40
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android one *is* an actually good thing, improving on a key issue with android
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Jan 3, 2019 18:45
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the other side of android one is that it'll only send the data to google, as it is necessarily a 'pure' image. surely getting google some sweet cash then selling it to china 
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Jan 3, 2019 19:15
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:now that it is possible to get security updates consistently without chasing the latest version it is just annoying to wake my phone and discover that suddenly exactly half the ui has rounded corners and the clock has moved to the other side of the screen for no reason or actual benefit every single place where they have hastily added rounded corners has made the ui worse. information dropped to make room and stuff that used to be visually attached (e.g. notifications to the tray where they live) now float for no reason
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Jan 4, 2019 15:08
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Maximo Roboto posted:what the heck the people behind the new Psion just made another phone: Cosmo Communicator it does not look decent at all, but more fun than yet another identical slate so it'll be interesting to follow
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Helianthus Annuus posted:so if that huge flowchart isn’t accurate anymore, what’s it like now? project treble defined stable abi's, so upgrades now don't require driver updates and thus needs no soc vendor involvement. you'll still want to get on android one (i.e. clean install which gets updates pushed by google on schedule) to reliably get the advantage of it
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