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Omobono posted:I really, really can't take Nohr seriously, every 2 screenshots this update I was expecting Corrin to go into the Are we the baddies? Mitchell and Webb sketch. Neither nation is well written, but I tolerate Hoshido even less. Nohr's obsession with being as obviously evil as possible is kind of funny, while Hosido's Mary Sue-esque perfection gets old fast. chiasaur11 posted:Awakening had some of the lowest incest levels in the whole series, though, at least in the localized version. Hoo boy, does this game's writing make me miss Awakening. Awakening was a janky mess of a story, but it was mostly inoffensive and wasn't determined to nearly as creepy as this one will. Robin is better than Corrin in basically every way as a character and that should say something.
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ReturnOfFable posted:Jesus Christ, this plot looks extremely stupid. I'm really glad I skipped out on the Fates trilogy. Oh the plot gets dumber. Just note that Corrin is the biggest name ever tool you could imagine getting a lead role.
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Feb 18, 2017 23:51
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ApplesandOranges posted:He joins at level 1, a few maps after we've had the chance to get Mozu. You don't really need him - Orochi's a fine enough mage and Sakura is almost eligible for promotion at this point. You pretty much have to baby him, and he's not exactly leaps and bounds above his competition. Being basically Ricken-but-even-squishier does not help him at all.
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Feb 26, 2017 02:32
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CptWedgie posted:Takumi has issues. I bet trying to brush Hinoka off like that is probably the most painful thing he could've done to her short of flat-out dying. You have no idea of how many issues Takumi has. He's kind of a massive dick.
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Rogue 7 posted:Midori is one of the better kids. I know that's a low bar, but she clears it reasonably well. Having more in her life than an obsession with a certain vegetable raise her to that level so that "low bar" comment is an understatement.
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chiasaur11 posted:They're not siblings. That and a combination of pretty much ever terrible fanfiction protagonist ideas, none of which were properly developed. PlasticAutomaton posted:Corrin at least has the excuse of being extremely sheltered and growing up in one fortress for most of her life. Azura seems to have some idea how things function, unlike Corrin who seems to have been dropped on his/her head as a child, but gets everyone constantly kissing up to them. Honestly, either one getting called out on their screw-ups and getting some development might help salvage them somewhat.
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May 6, 2017 13:38
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Omobono posted:I won't lie, Corrine twisting all that bullshit about rebellion and throwing it back into Iago and murderdad's face was awesome. Too bad about the rest of the route. Corrin got exactly one scene of what they should have been doing the entire time in Conquest, agreed.
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May 6, 2017 20:20
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Space Bat posted:I disagree, even the worst Nohrian noble is better than the best Hoshidan noble in my opinion. Can you even tell me what Ryouma is like? Or Hinoka? Other than "lobster" and, uh, "red head" I really can't. Sakura is just "innocent girl who wants to help people." The only Hoshidan with anything resembling a personality is Takumi, who's entire shtick is being a massive prick with an inferiority complex. This entire game's plot would have been automatically improved if they'd cut out all but two siblings per side (especially Corrin) and made Leo and Takumi respectively the main characters. They have real personalities and some semblance of character development. Hell, so far Leo seems to be the best character in this game's crappy cast as opposed to the current lead who is the absolute worst. RareAcumen posted:I would've also been down for Corrin being totally incompetent but managing to skirt by and succeed because the rest of the army's constantly shoring up his/her lack of common sense. A character 'leading' an army with good intentions but needing other people to contribute regularly sounds neat to me. Like, an entire game like the Ice Tribe rebellion. Isn't that basically what we already have? Corrin does not make good decisions. If anything, they seem to be dragging down the armies though incompetence almost as much as Garon does on purpose.
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May 12, 2017 17:47
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Inferno-sama posted:Elise. Medicine. It'd be nice to have characters point this hypocrisy out. Give Ryoma and Hoshido some character by having them not be pure.
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May 12, 2017 21:08
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Mysticblade posted:Hey, the kid's basically been neglected by his dad. He's got a right to be angry. Let's be honest, there are no real examples of good parents in this game. I mean, I guess that you could point our Makoto, but she's more perfect plot device than character. For a game so obsessed with family, Fates has no real healthy ones.
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Tae posted:
Camilla remains a slightly psychotic mom to everyone.
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Ophelia alone manages to make up for most of the other kids.
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Cythereal posted:For heaven's sake, Ophelia, please put some clothes on. Or at least some pants. She follows her dad's example a little too much.
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Tae posted:He does want to rebel against Garon THe problem with Xander is that he's basically two different characters. In-story we get a weak willed man who can't get over his attachment to his childhood attachment enough to see his father is a walking villain cliche and stand up. The kind of moral coward who would die rather than face a real dilemma and act on his conscience. In supports, we have a good and honorable guy you'd be glad to have as a brother. AriadneThread posted:azura keeps giving me secret villian vibes That would be interesting and logical, so we can't be having that in this plot.
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I always wondered if it would be possible to salvage this game's plot if they'd just abandoned the idea of three versions and used some of the ideas into one coherent story.
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Huh, I thought that Yukimura would be important at some point. Sure shows me for assuming.
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Hunt11 posted:Lets be fair though as surely everybody knows that Corrine is dumb. Yes, but Leo and Takumi are the only ones to call it out, making them the better siblings. Really, it would make a lot more sense for Corrinne to be removed from the plot and let those two be the main characters. They'd actually provide something of value to the story.
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CptWedgie posted:I don't know about Echoes, but I'd definitely recommend Awakening over this exercise in incompetence. I mean, Awakening's got a pretty cliche plot, sure, but it's better in pretty much every way than Fates. Cliche but functional is better than this mess.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:I would ask why Anankos gets a pass for messing with Nohr Glorious Hoshido being attacked is far more important than Nohr, evidently. Really, it's not like the writers cared, so why should we? TheOneAndOnlyT posted:The shittiness of Birthright and Conquest's writing is made doubly lovely here because Revelation feels the need to exposit all the information from both of those routes in a quarter of the chapters. No writer is going to be able to salvage what little plot Fates has when they're obligated to jam three major plot points into every half-hour stretch. The real bad part is that this was supposed to be the final "canon" route. Instead of fixing the problems in the first two plots, they jammed them together awkwardly to produce a complete mess.
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For as bad as Revelations is, at least it rightly killed Hans off sooner than the others. Seriously, how does this glorified Chapter 1 bandit boss get elevated into being one of the top of the villain food chain? Iago is a terrible villain, but at least he has skills that would be very useful for an evil group. Hans just guts people without a hint of strategy.
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Crosspeice posted:This should've been the one game. First act in Nohr, discovering the secret of Garon and fleeing with your siblings, second act in Hoshido trying to convince them to join you and the rebellious Nohrians, final act in Valla to stop Anankos. Boom, similar story structure to Awakening and better than this fuckin' mess. Yes, but then how could you have the contrived "choice" between Glorious Goodville and Bad Guyvia? I do wonder if they could have made a half-decent story if there was only one game and the cast was cut in half. I mean, what you wrote makes sense, but these writers have shown no indication that being able to handle any of this. I'm not even sure that they'd be willing to part with the disturbing amount of incest, let alone put some effort into putting the effort necessary to make the characters act logically. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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inthesto posted:Literally the only character from Birthright I liked. Same. I'm, at best, indifferent to everyone else from the route they try so hard to push you towards it, but kill her off in all but one route annoys me enough to make me hate Hoshido more.
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LEGO Genetics posted:The Chump Brigade has arrived! I'd still say Izana keeling over for no real reason was worse, but Scarlet was pretty high up there.
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The Golux posted:I just looked up who Hinata's kid is and I swear I have never seen this character ever. Not gonna lie, I forgot more than half the kids. They just don't stand out that much outside of the Awakening clones (not positively) and Ophelia Dusk.
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RareAcumen posted:Should've made his thing hard candies. He could have just sounded old fashioned and crotchety in general. It's not really that difficult a thing to write in dialogue.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Is it me or does the Selena -> Caeldori thing seem super incestuous somehow? It wouldn't be Severa if we didn't find some way to include mommy-issues even when she's as far away from her mother as is possible. Now we need Caeldori to have a daughter named Resvea to complete the circle.
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facepalmolive posted:So I spent the past two weeks binging on this thread and I'm finally caught up. I came in knowing the story was gonna be bad, so I was just here to witness the slow-mo train crash, and BOY did this thread deliver way beyond my wildest expectations. I literally laughed out loud at the Izana death scene. I think that the possessed Takumi thing could work if it had been written as him willingly selling himself to Anankos for the power to avenge his land from his traitorous sibling. He had genuine reasons to hate Corrin (as do we all) and a greater evil capitalized on his resentment to twist his love for his people into a tool. Corrin being forced to take responsibility for their idiocy rather than just whine and give hollow gestures would be a nice side effect. Of course this wouldn't come close to salvaging the plot of Conquest and leaves the whole "Buy Revelations" cliffhanger, but it'd be something.
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So does being bad enough to produce Tharja-but-even-moreso make Hyato the worst of the parents?
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:So if Anankos has direct control over Nohr's king, and everyone in Nohr is too much of a spineless coward to oppose Ganon, what does he get out of destroying Nohr rather than just joining Nohr's military to his own and launching a war of conquest? Hell, he could probably just bribe the Nohrians with food from Valla and the opportunity to emigrate/travel to his much less crappy kingdom and there's a good chance he'd get the country behind him. To be fair, it's not like manipulating anyone in this world is all that difficult. Anny hardly needs to be a mastermind to make this war happen.
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Krumbsthumbs posted:Oh no, we were betrayed. Whoever could have seen that coming. That's the thing about Xander: he's actually a pretty good character in and of himself, but he's usually being shown as a complete hypocrite for being unwilling to turn on the horribly written Nohr villain cast. Like so many other things, you can see what the basic idea was, but it completely falls apart since even the good ideas have none of the support that they need to function. It doesn't help that the writers were obsessed with pandering to the player by having everything revolve around the terrible character of Corrin, copying ideas from other games without seeming to understand why they worked before, and the non-existent moral complexity in a game whose premise demands it. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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