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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn	95	18.63%
Dennis Skinner	53	10.39%
Angus Robertson	20	3.92%
Tim Farron	9	1.76%
Paul Ukips	7	1.37%
Robot Lenin	105	20.59%
Tony Blair	28	5.49%
Pissflaps	193	37.84%
Total:	510 votes

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Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Incidentally the treatment for America's heroin problem is incredibly simple. End the war on drugs, give them daily heroin and multiple-weekly therapy. It's not loving complicated.

e; for anyone who isn't a rape apologist with no wish to better their filthy self, here is a paper article on the idea, and should anyone wish for more info then I've got some staff testimonies from Dr Marks clinic, like so.

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Mar 4, 2017

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Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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hakimashou posted:

I don't know the answer to drug addiction, but I do know that if we did discover an answer it

I do, we did, I even told you what it was.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 13:34

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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hakimashou posted:

How does that help people who don't want to be drug addicted anymore spangly?

Giving people drugs while you perform therapy helps people off drugs forever. In Switzerland the average addiction time, once in therapy, is two years. During this time the addict can maintain a normal life, plateaus their use, and then is able to permanently quit drugs.

Again, this is not complicated. You fix the underlying cause first, and then the addiction takes care of itself. This is medical science, not conjecture.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 13:39

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Guavanaut posted:

I always thought horse would be more expensive than beef because it's a 'fringe' meat like venison.

When I googled it, all the organic results were about the 2013 scandal, and all the paid results were specialist butchers.

horse is great for you, only meat that provides vitamin c. Won Napoleon a war, too.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 13:56

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Darth Walrus posted:

The big problem isn't the specific meat, but that it wasn't as advertised, implying that the usual checks to confirm the batch was not literal poison were not performed.

Properly certified rat meat, for instance, is fine. Rat meat that's supposed to be beef, though, is not.

No I got that, I just remember when they traced the meat back to attempt to blame Eastern Europeans, then found that they'd properly certified the meat and it was the import company who had suddenly "made an honest mistake"

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 14:05

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Foxtrot_13 posted:

What do you think it will do to Sinn Fein in the Republic when Jerry Adams goes on the record about how he ordered the murder of people? The other political parties on the Republic would crucify Sinn Fein at every opportunity for every MLA still sitting who has blood on their hands.

I already mentioned this but perhaps you forget that it's not IRA that were the apartheid state, and it's not them that would be facing truth and reconciliation. Your metaphor doesn't work because you, bizarely, seem to think that Umkomto would've been the bad guys. Guillotine.

Pissflaps posted:

I see smackheads popping into boots for methadone so it's possible to be a junky without possessing heroin.

Methadone isn't totally worthless but it doesn't work the way it was thought to, and is less effective as a treatment as such. It doesn't properly block opiod receptors to stop topping-up with other drugs, but given that forced withdrawal is the tactic of failure, it may actually be *more* effective than originally designed.

Kind of like how Tramadol was supposed to be a safe and non-addictive opiod aganist and now it's a class A drug, because pharma companies are dishonest shits when they're protecting their investment. Guillotine.

Tigey posted:

Don't recall seeing this mentioned here the past few days: the govt are now definitely pushing ahead with stripping housing benefits from 18-21 year olds, which will begin in April. As I recall this was suggested by Gideon in 2015, but fell by the wayside.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/03/charities-dismayed-as-housing-benefit-cut-goes-ahead

this is necessary because economic protections for young people seriously harm Army recruitment. Economic circumstances force young people into the military and, despite being constantly criticised for it, the army give no shits about taking the vulnerable and sending them to die. Less unemployment, less angry young people, more skulls for the skull throne.

Guillotine everything.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 16:24

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Pissflaps posted:

I think they'd hold each seat with an increased majority. Nobody is going to give a poo poo about the technicalities of the fraud.

They should be banned from running (and guillotined). They've committed fraud. Allowing them to cry foul for committing fraud is nonsense; they should lose the seat.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 16:32

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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every party should begin screaming "gross electoral fraud" as loud as they can, and push for a wider enquiry while contacting wet tories to defect to LD/UKIP.

Having said that I'd quite like to see IndyRef2 planned and dated first, fraud/NHS/scotland is an excellent anyone but the tories platform.

e; Nicolae Titulescu born today, 1882. Twice President of league of nations, not a total dick. Kicked the fascists out of the League for taking the piss out of Yah Selassie when they invaded Ethiopia.

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Mar 4, 2017

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 16:50

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Skinty McEdger posted:

As a rule of thumb most parties don't like to shout too loudly about fraud and corruption, for it has a nasty habit of coming back to haunt them.

You're more likely to see grassroots groups and activists make noise about this.

This is literally why I wanted Jeremy Corbyn, this and telling journalists they're poo poo. If he's bent, I make a Mandelson Promise to eat my hat. If the dirty part of Labour get burnt by the fire, maybe they shouldn't carry around so much drat kindling.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 16:55

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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jBrereton posted:

Direct rule has already been used for complete garbage like the bedroom tax, might as well do some good with the power.

Tories aren't capable of this by definition. Being a tory requires an understanding of the world and ethics that is contrary to both science and most forms of civilised morality.

Let's not forget Labour carried gay marriage in Britain, the tories rebelled on it. Cameron knew full well that Labour weren't going to gently caress people over to score points like he would happily do.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 18:29

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Guavanaut posted:

You don't think there's a chance of a populist backlash if something that the majority disagree with is forced on them from outside?

It's got popular approval, hasn't it? dumping it to a referendum could work.

Also what you said about any backlash being directed at the and tories, that's hardly a bad thing. Blaming Gerry Adams for gay marriage is possibly a step too far for anyone but TUF

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 18:50

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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kustomkarkommando posted:

The Tories don't want to make direct rule attractive in any way, there is a non-insignificant chunk of opinion in NI that thinks direct rule can be no worse than Stormont and will allow outstanding issues to be directly negotiated with Westminster who would prefer to keep their distance - they'll want to smash that idea and remind people that it is not really an option you should consider

I'm not sure how Theresa May is stupid enough to think that provoking Sinn Fein, the DUP, the UUP and the SNP at the same time will work out for her, but tories gonna tory.

TinTower posted:

It would've been a tight majority, but if I remember correctly if every Labour MP who voted for same-sex marriage abstained, the bill would've passed at each stage. Definitely in the Commons.

Still, I think we could have got it five years earlier if Ben Summerskill wasn't using his position as former Stonewall CEO to project his personal hatred of marrying on everyone else.

I stand corrected. Does it pass if the Lib Dems abstain too?

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 19:10

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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kustomkarkommando posted:

From a Whitehall perspective direct rule is not and should not be an option for parties to fallback on to preserve their negotiation stances, they would much prefer regional negotiations yielded successful agreement without them having to step in - Villiers has already been in the press today calling for emergency legislation to extend the government formation period in order to forestall what seems to be the inevitable.

Ironically reminding the parties here that direct rule is a pile of shite is meant to remind them the value of Stormont - either you sort it out or you get the Tory's and all the spending cuts that entails

I do actually agree with this; this doesn't mean I think loving people to make a point is anything but reprehensible.

It's also politically stupid. Not even nasty, just stupid. May is giving incredible ammunition to everyone who seriously threatens her precious union while showing absolutely no political ability of any sort.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2017 20:16

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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TinTower posted:

Who would've thought that the host of a show that repeatedly and consistently gives credence to transmisogyny would end up being a transmisogynist.

seperate but solidarity is a laughable concept

# ¿ Mar 5, 2017 14:00

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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I'm sad to hear that and I wish you and fam the best. The thread loses a good comrade.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2017 19:54

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Pissflaps posted:

Jeremy has made his erroneous tax return available for public scrutiny. Your request is denied.

you're not an accountant and are objectively, legally, wrong on this

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 10:17

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Pissflaps posted:

I know what words mean.

No you don't, though. You absolutely have no idea what these words mean in a legal, acturial, or accounting context. You are a layman. You are not expected to understand what these words mean. Which is great, because you don't.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 10:18

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Pissflaps posted:

Are you able to explain specifically how I am wrong? Are you an accountant?

Perhaps, although it's common for an unedecuated layperson like yourself to have difficulties here. What is your specific complaint? I trained in acturial alongside econ, I live with a city and guilds fellow of accounting. There's a lot of letters around the name I won't bother you with.

Jeremy's accountant has filed his paperwork stating that his incremental Opposition Leadership increase is a benefit of his role in the party, supplementary to his primary source of income as MP. It is declared and taxed as is proper.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 10:24

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Should declare that I am also, obviously, a layman; I do not pay my dues as an accountant as I was uninterested in it as a career choice. As such I would need to retrain for another few months should I wish to take up an acturial or accounting position. Because things like legal definition of jargon are updated semi-frequently, and tax law is updated annually.

Do still have my books about though.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 10:27

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Pissflaps posted:

My complaint is that Jeremy has put the money he gets for being leader of the opposition under the heading 'other pensions and retirement annuities' and on the line 'uk pensions and state benefits' rather than 'pay from all employments'.

Ok, can you explain how this is not proper please, other than "jeremy bad"

More generally what the gently caress is he doing releasing tax forms he hasn't had cleaned for public viewing but I'm struggling to see how you'd get anywhere arguing this is mis-reporting your taxes.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 10:33

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Pissflaps posted:

You told me that I can't explain why because I'm a layman and don't have authority to speak on such matters, unlike somebody who lives with an accountant.

Though if you insist, to my layman's eyes, it seems nonsensical to describe a salary (or even a striped) as a pension or state benefit, rather than income from employment. Because it'a his job. And he gets paid to do t.

Zing. Did he pay the same taxes?

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 10:55

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Pissflaps posted:

I don't know I'm not an accountant.

Though if you're asking if I think this error signals some attempt to defraud HMRC then the answer is clearly no.

It's simply a mistake.

good honest man jeremy corbyn puts no thought to taxes, simply gives

a bad man

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 10:59

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Pissflaps posted:

The leader of the opposition misreporting his income on a tax return he's published to demonstrate transparency is a bit controversial tbf.

I'd post a tory leaders to compare but I don't think the panama papers fits on this hard drive

what standard are we realistically expecting here

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 11:21

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jBrereton posted:

It takes a dimmer one still to say "oh well they've released something, even if it contains mistakes or lacks information it's good that they did". If Hammond took him up on the offer and released a similarly specious document that missed out/obscured big chunks of his income, Labour would rightly pick him up on it.

no its good that corbyn's pressuring tories to publish how much tax they dodge and the mistakes aren't a part of that point

it's dim to not even get the numbers right I mean wtf

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 13:44

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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lets just adopt stormont-style community rules but you declare whether you're a landlord or not

hoxha was right

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 13:45

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Who said it: Jeremy Corbyn or Enver Hoxha?

who said it, indeed

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 13:50

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Cerv posted:

that would make for some very strange bedfellows
Corbyn's still renting his place out isn't he?

I'm honestly in doubt that a government could be formed but I think hoxha had a suggestion about that too

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 13:53

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jBrereton posted:

That's why this is frustrating; it's a kind of okay policy, although I don't personally see the point of it,

Countries that have open tax returns have lower avoidance as well as lower evasion. It's to encourage social policing.

The populist side effect of such a policy being mainstream is a mentality of "hunt the rich", which is a deadly atmosphere for a tory government full of massive tax frauds.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 14:06

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Guavanaut posted:

I'd vote for this.

We could even make big ones that could be used as state owned houses during peacetime.

if "france might invade" is a valid reason for having nukes it's a valid reason for state pillbox housing

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 14:08

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kustomkarkommando posted:

The briefings begin

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...s-35504549.html

Perhaps a sign of cracks in the DUP forming, though with Dodds backing Foster remains untouchable

it's absolutely fascinating that she doesn't think she needs to step down

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 15:09

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MikeCrotch posted:

Menshevik Internationalist here. Can't wait to be strung along by whoever here is closest to Lenin and then shot like a dog in the street. ***It's the Russian way***

Bolshevik but authoritarian, walkies is later

# ¿ Mar 6, 2017 22:55

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Don't Lol me posted:

So let's see - I'm a voter, I'd vote for Labour but I don't like Jam man, so I'll go straight from middle left to hard right?
Why wouldn't I just vote for the next best option, the Lib dems? That'd make sense right? They're New Labour virtually, right?

Well, since I don't see the libdem fightback in full effect in the polls, I'm guessing that's a load of bollocks.

Labour are leaking voters to the tories and lib dems in large numbers, it's not really a contentious point.

Pissflaps posted:

Corbyn gets loads of coverage. You're deluding yourself.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/Mainstream-Media-Representations-of-Jeremy-Corbyn.aspx

facts aren't delusions

# ¿ Mar 16, 2017 16:46

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ThomasPaine posted:

I really do think it's a key lesson for the left in general. Rallies and marches and demonstrations are just preaching to the converted.

These things have a very specific purpose though, and when stripped of conflict with authority that's morale. That's an incredibly important thing to have, in tory austerity britain.

Rallies, marches and demonstrations have historically been useful to forment revolutionary thought when you a) confront an authority, often with force and b), importantly, actually loving win. There are notable failures that will get press attention if the police get heavy handed, as has historically been the case, but any revolutionary message contained within is basically acab

It's good to have rallies and marches and we should have more and there should be no flegs involved. But it'd be nice if that turnout then meaningfully seized some property while they were there.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2017 20:56

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jBrereton posted:

Why would you want someone with the same ideas as Corbyn after Corbyn? The guy was an unhappy serf who ran the party into the ground, you need to distance yourself from that even if in your heart of hearts you might want an end to trident and private schools or whatever. There are other things Labour continues to stand for that are quite different to the Tories other than the most visible Corbyn Issues.

because socialism is important, and corbyn's policies are popular?

That's a pretty simple reason. If you think giving up on loving grammar schools is worth it then you're just demonstrating a strong argument to keep corbyn.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 16:45

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spectralent posted:

I think it was the guy from breaking bad who so famously said, the product is good, it's distribution that's the problem.

I've seen, over the last month in particular, nearly all the corbyn supporters and regular posters in this thread agree that the second leadership election did him in. I *want* him to turn it around but I no longer think he's capable of anything except holding Labour intact until a suitable replacement can be moved in, and frankly it looks like the option to do this for 2025 and not 2020 has expired.

But jesus christ grammar schools. Do people even know why these matter so drat much? They're an excuse to further defund mainstream education. The local schools around here, with the exception of the two grammars becoming academies, are set to lose 5-6 figures annually. Letting the government continue with this would be devastating, I can't understand how this isn't considered a suitable hill for any labour politician to die on. Christ, Corbyn's even beating May on the matter, and it's straight from the nasty party playbook in the first place, so it's hardly defensible.

Thatcher's education reforms were catastrophic and the knockon effects are seen today with school leavers less capable of basic writing and mathematics than retirees, an effect that was brand-new to British democracy when it started a year or two ago. The education of children at school being botched might not always be immediately apparent with the importance of their parents education being a huge factor in childhood outcomes, but their kids don't have that.

Fangz posted:

The gap is loving huge amongst over 65s, dropping from an 18% deficit to a 39% deficit.

Everyone seems to have forgotten this but Corbyn's biggest votebase 1st time round wasn't clearly students or young adults, it was retirement age men close to and at times above them.

Given they actually vote that's an election deathknell. Good look getting third-wayism to appeal to them lol

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# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 16:59

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radmonger posted:

A candidate who knew the difference between abolishing private schools and setting up new grammar schools realy should be achievable..

The one thing on this thread more consistent than Pissflaps's post are the Corbyn fans in this thread making the claim that he is the only one in the Labour Party in favour of popular policies. Like it was impossible to be in favour of the NHS, higher wages, or rail nationalisation without also supporting unilateral disarmament, the government of.Venezuala, and the whole student politics wish list.

the candidates put forward so far were literally bad candidates. He ran against a guy who literally worked for pfizer and wanted privatisation, whose own constituency denied he was even welsh.

radmonger posted:

Yes, every competent politician is going to be able to see how things will work out. If you stand against Corbyn, 50% plus of the (internal) electorate will immediately and irrevocably conclude that you are a backstabbing neoliberal charisma-free Blairite war criminal. Which gives you less chance of becoming Labour leader than Corbyn has of becoming PM.

The problem is not personal, it is structural. It is like someone built a slalom course where the best Olympic skiers couldn't get through.the first two gates.

"I'm going to make repeated bad faith arguments about how other people make bad faith arguments"

if you think the problem of structure lies within the internal electorate and not the wider country you're talking nonsense. Either structures matter or they don't; in either case, labour's internal electorate are not going to define their problems very easily.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 17:34

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Dead Goon posted:

Why should I, as a member of The Labour Party, vote for Clive Lewis?

If it is because he was one of ARE BRAVE BOYS then sorry, lost me already.

Clive Lewis is the one that definitely doesn't want you to vote for him and might actually turn out to be not poo poo

you may be thinking of dan jarvis, one of many mps who gets an astonishing amount of column space for someone with near-zero public recognition

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 17:38

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Fangz posted:

You have a nasty habit of using 'the PLP' to describe individual members of the PLP.

are you actually aware that the PLP is an organisational body with meetings and factions and leadership or not?

that's "the plp" people refer to. The parliamentary labour party group, which has dramatically lost power since the introduction of the AV one-man one-vote system and removal of their right to decide leader. They can go; they don't serve a useful purpose anymore.

It's like trying to argue the tories and the 22 comittee are the same. They aren't.

Fangz posted:

Because if we don't get to the stage where we can tell each other that even if there is disagreements, at least Labour candidates mean well and should be trusted, then we will never be able to make the case to ordinary voters that they should vote Labour.

cool tell that to the ones who began attempting to capsize the boat before corbyn even won

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 19:38

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Lunar Suite posted:

I keep getting phoned and texted about the Gorton by-election. Tried to google some of the candidates' policies, none of them loving got one. Even Khan, who has a decent enough website (and called me personally) tells me who he is, where he's from, but not what he wants. I've got his financial statements from the European Parliaments, but I have no idea what he or any others from the clown car want.
Am I misunderstanding the purpose of an MP, or is that kind of a dumb thing that none of them has a list of... "Climate: needs protecting by doing X. Economy: Tories are stupid, we need devolved budgets to limit the damage/need to raise taxes/need to use Excalibur to summon the Isle of Fairies and sell fairy gold to the EU" sort of thing?
Like, I'm not opposed to do some research in order to get informed but other than Guido Fawkes telling me Khan is totally a nazi because he criticised Israel... There's gently caress all I can find.

Guido's now calling them Khomenists which is hilarious wordplay and his usual brand of bullshit. He's a fat white tory hack who needs lynching.

Khan is the MEP and most experienced of the lot. Yasmine Dar is backed by momentum and the only corbyn supporter.

Luthfer Rahman isn't *that* Luthfer Rahman, he's the one who attacks people in mosques. Very right wing, dumb as all gently caress. Lone didn't make the final cut to run in Morecambe, Ali is a stalking horse who appears to have deleted his twitter (or I've lost it).

It's basically Khan (massive favourite, right wing for labour without punching people in mosques, loves CETA/TTIP) vs Dar (only corbyn supporter).

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 05:39

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Lunar Suite posted:

Piss, I liked Khan. How right wing are we talking?
Any Pros on Dar?

He's your standard new labour third way economic liberal. Not a particularily terrible one, but if you aren't concerned with the corbyn stuff then his biggest problem is CETA/TTIP and they don't matter anymore. Beyond that he has a good CV of working on muslim community issues in the EU with left and centre left groups. If he was a socialist I'd vote for him.

Yasmine Dar is a social worker who's worked for Rethink and independent police advice boards (lol). Her CV is impressive but it's not political and I can't find poo poo on her policy positions. 2017 is grand.

# ¿ Mar 21, 2017 17:13

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