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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Taear posted:I would think most people haven't got any clue at all about what happened in Ireland. Or in India. Or anything beyond maybe the last 50 years of history - and even then it's only shaky. I can't shake the feeling that this total lack of class and political consciousness is responsible for the wave of nationalism and rejection of institutions that were working fine until we did what people are now suggesting we do to them It's like people are observing the damaging relationship capital has with politics and universally going "well CLEARLY it's the politicians not being bribed quickly enough that's the problem, if they didn't stop the job creators we wouldn't have any problems!" Hoxha knew.
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Seaside Loafer posted:I never understood why a jet loosing pressure causes all that havoc. I mean sure all the people might suffocate but as long as it isn't the pilot and the engines are still going then it might have to go low but it still works right? Every film ever has them dropping out of the sky and crashing as soon as they loose pressure. What bit of the science am I missing? The plane can pull itself apart at speed but I think you'd need a pretty big hole, films are nonsense. Oberleutnant posted:In the government mindset people are regrettably acceptable casualties. Capital isn't - if only because the owners of capital can put a poo poo load more pressure on the government than any number of whinging, mutilated proles. you should read james mcclean's piece about mcguinness. It's not that informative but holy poo poo the comments are hilarious
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Mar 21, 2017 20:24
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icantfindaname posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ElwinWay/status/843377587913183232 he's right alex tsipras doesn't exist, isn't a real person. There is no left wing. The guardian insult their readers intelligence every day, I don't really see the difference between nick cohen saying "gently caress off" and his normal "I'm a measured adult and you must heed my pathetic lack of substance seriously!!". Their best staff journalist is their cartoonist. They asked for experience of temp work and retracted the request when they realised their writers were temps.
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Mar 22, 2017 06:48
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serious gaylord posted:How about that. if we assume the lowest possible boundary of membership being 500,001, and the full 40,000 members have quit because they dont want jeremy corbyn, that still leaves them either with 3x the tory highmark or hovering around or above the total of all other party registration in the UK. Party membership doesn't mean much in a lot of places (see; the US), or it can mean everything (soviet-collectivism celebrating its glorious centenary where nothing bad happened and lenin lived forever). Losing less than 10% of membership from something as idiotic as the whip seems... good? There are obviously going to be hard limits relating to variable numbers and tactics employed as to what you can actually do with this, setting momentum on Keep Britain Clean or turning membership into a novel way to decorate your car to ensure everyone knows how good your opinions on the baby jesus are clearly aren't going to be helpful. But what momentum needs to start doing ASAP, and are doing, and are pushing for expanding, is local governance work. The government don't want to loving do anything helpful, then it is *good* that we have a group of people trying to do things and wearing a badge. This is how you undermine a democracy; in Greece, in Portugal, and further back into the last century, passively replacing state function with voluntarism is very hard to push back, politically. You're going to reach a point where force is needed to make people stop helping each other, in broad public global view. It's better; Labour don't even loving need to care. If Labour realise they can start occasionally shouting angry socialist class things from yet-another-politibot about the oppositon, while letting momentum expand their groundgame, and a final agreement is made between the PLP, momentum and the union bloc on what specific aspects they want as "their" perview and who else comes in to ratify, we could even realistically get things on track. The thirdwayists (some posters getting hella mad about calling them "blairites" because blair's not there, I guess Pitt didn't send the memo out or something) get to claim they've "won" and "been reasonable adults together". Jeremy can go back to making jam and photographing hubcaps. The unions get policy veto on the PLP, and momentum would happily distance themselves as much as possibly provided their eligible still get taken as full member votes) I mean really my long term view of Labour's membership is that sovietism has the better odds than social democracy right now
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Mar 22, 2017 09:10
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Pissflaps posted:It's almost certainly down to some sort of trademark concern. It's a u2 trademark. Red Oktober posted:Simple answer, this place: http://www.givskudzoo.dk/Home.4588.aspx I saw this first google and I'm amazed an imaginary zoo that doesn't and won't exist somehow got through u2's legal team for this I haven't *seen* the u2 zootopia IP so maybe they don't have it. I'm not used to music marketing firms not aggressively play hunt the infringement Spangly A fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Mar 22, 2017 10:37
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hakimashou posted:There is some kind of sick twisted belief that many fools cling on to that all patriotism or nationalism or pride in your country is bad, that a country shouldn't look out for itself first and foremost. It's broken-brained insanity, absolutely disconnected from how real people think and feel. You are a sick and diseased man and you should seek help or the cleansing purity of self immolation. Nationalism is a disease and you my friend are just another metastasis.
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Mar 22, 2017 13:42
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Party Boat posted:Does anyone fancy a job as a liaison between Corbyn and the PLP? I am applying to this job, possibly multiple times. Breath Ray posted:These aren't so different. Opposition to immigration often boils down to the economy if you think about it yes. Opposition ot immigration is opposition to having an economy. This does not explain why they voted leave, though? Pissflaps posted:https://twitter.com/make_trouble/status/844512043646496768 there are some very serious issues here, I see very little common ground between the concerns of remain and the concerns of leave, I see very little common ground between the concerns of leave and reality. The anti-reality side won. I don't see this as being a hard problem to fix provided the government and media are in full cooperation to start rush training a new breed of journalist base and the media agree to walk lockstep in line with reality and the material concerns of the population.
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Mar 22, 2017 13:50
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Jose posted:why is may so in love with grammar schools despite everyone else being against them? rhymes with milk snatcher e; it'd be real great fun to get hold of some tory spads and ask just how good their drugs are and why May needs to be a thatcher-churchill robot hybrit at all times. More fun to beat them up and take their drugs though. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Mar 22, 2017 13:52
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Jose posted:why is may so in love with grammar schools despite everyone else being against them? to approach it from a more human side (May is definitely a bog standard waste of a fetus rather than one of the policywanker lizards like her cohorts), she went to one, it was great, why can't children have great education. I think this most showed through with her atrocious PMQs against corbyn on the matter; she's never researched it, she just feels it. She doesn't even know the approval. She tried to argue that corbyn was taking away priveleges and here you see that's she's genuinely operating on the politics/economics zero sum game model. I honestly believe her when she defends grammar schools as being good. I really feel she thinks they add something to society. Because she somehow appears to seriously believe that without grammar schools, all the other schools would be poo poo forever, without higher standards to compete. Eton always gets the same defence of "raising the bar" rather than the more accurate "hitting the poor with the bar and holding them down". May thinks poors are stupid and there's nothing broken in normal education that needs fixing, and that grammar schools need to be allowed freedom to develop their special talents. I went to a catholic primary, a CoE grammar that turned into an academy after I left, and briefly, a state-sponsored private school. The money and standards disparity were huge; the private school was filthy,nearly a quarter of the staff plainly weren't fit to teach (including the chem teacher that taught basic explosives), they had advance prep for OFSTED and would spend the day arranging "talent"and giving some of us the day off, and lessons were absolutely nothing more than exam prep. I don't mean studying, we hosed about doing drama and music and weird extracurrricular poo poo and then when it was crunch time the teachers would dictate our entire coursework and prepare cheatsheets for exams. Grammars and Private education must be abolished as a matter of course; there is only one fit standard for what is best for children, and that is whatever we can determine with evidence is best for children.
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Mar 22, 2017 14:04
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Guavanaut posted:That's why people don't trust actuaries, pragmatists, or moral philosophers. Actuarial science is a wonderful tool needed in many ways for the day to day running of societies. Actuaries are creepy motherfuckers with daddy issues who get paid to tell toyota how many negligent manslaughters they can afford this year. How do you control for disliking actuaries? it's the perfect job for any non-narcissist psychopath. People don't like those either.
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Mar 22, 2017 15:35
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big scary monsters posted:Yeah I realise that and of course intellectually I knew that these kinds of calculations must take place. But it's still quite another thing to be sat in a room and there's some guy going "well our 737 carries X number of people, expected legal liability per fatality $Y, so we're willing to spend $Z per plane on improving security this year". The really weird thing is how we accept this as necessary for day to day running of society and commerce but you apply it to running a government and suddenly hoxhas the bad guy
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Mar 22, 2017 15:40
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I was wondering how long it'd take, nowhere near the full year I gave itGuavanaut posted:I thought we were applying it to the running of society? "The local hospital treats X number of people, but we can save $Y per year by letting Z of them die, which will allow us to reduce corporation tax by Z% for 'economically productive' people" seems to be happening a lot lately. yeah but when you do that the maths does not add up. Nobody is "economically inactive" unless they live in the woods and eat berries. Existence is a net corporate profit because it's all about that lovely velocity.
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Mar 22, 2017 15:51
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someone OP that blythe piece yo, it's like a reference cheatsheet for dishonest "centrists"
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Mar 22, 2017 15:53
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Other reports saying someone drove up onto the pavement on Westminster Bridge and was shot by Plod outside Parliament after crashing into the barriers there. worst possible outcome
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Mar 22, 2017 15:54
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Mar 22, 2017 15:59
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I'm entirely in favour of directed violence at capital but what the gently caress is this amateur hour nonsense fantastic, this oval office has killed some random protestors and non-fatally injured a cop. Better start banning everything in sight. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 22, 2017 16:07
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HJB posted:Pretty sad smugcuntery going around on all sides hoping the incident supports their narrative, this is where we've gotten to nowadays. literally the only person mentioning anything but the immediate circumstance is me and that should be predictable. Kill all cops, kill yourself, kill me, end humanity. This is going to have serious consequences and these are not going to be good. The only smug oval office here is you at the mo
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Mar 22, 2017 16:07
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HJB posted:I didn't mean this thread but it's interesting you instantly leapt to your own defence. there's a terrorist attack and you're talking about people's posting and twitter or some bullshit, the gently caress is wrong with you
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Mar 22, 2017 16:10
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BarbarianElephant posted:You just posted *in support* of the terrorists, so please shut the gently caress up. no I'm not generally in favour of unannounced 5 civilian car incidents and getting yourself shot for injuring a cop
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Mar 22, 2017 16:17
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Cerv posted:nah, you're definitely a smug oval office yeah this is true but what can we do, eh HJB posted:The timelines aren't certain yet, like did the knifer get out of the car and get the driver to cause a distraction? Is the car still not on scene? It'd be a weird coincidence, this sounds likely
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Mar 22, 2017 16:18
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So the best recap so far seems: shortly before 2;30pm, a driver mounted the curb to attack civilians and crashes at the intersection, allowing co-conspirator to break into westminster gardens while distracted, approached two police officers and attacked one, and was then given fair warning before being shot casualties between 5-12, knife-wielding assailant assumed dead(?), at least 5 knocked by car per eyewitness reports, and air ambulance on scene and transporting people. Driver has either legged it and got away from the most heavily guarded building in the country or he's having a conversation with the police. Anything else? there's not going to be more good info until the police and ambulance are prepared to give statements e; the time Spangly A fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Mar 22, 2017 16:32
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Guavanaut posted:Detective Inspector Garbage Internet-Comments has already solved the case! my apologies hjb I had briefly forgotten about this thing people do
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Mar 22, 2017 16:57
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oh god those corpses on my screen were children peace out guys, hold your loved ones tonight
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Mar 22, 2017 17:10
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Yo prison guys in this thread you're going to have literally all of the public support in the world if you demand rehabilitation of prisoners and strike tomorrowSeaside Loafer posted:Do the groups actually understand that this poo poo will make things worse for everyone including their brothers in the target nation or are they so blinded by the religion that they just don't give a gently caress. It's great for recruitment. Be famous, have everything your current life can't offer you, also we're going to make your homeland a miserable xenophobic wretch
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Mar 22, 2017 20:13
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:that's why most of the attacks target civilians This is a key point. I don't get their mag so I'm not sure if it's deliberate, but killing civilians is a terrible tactic if you actually want to negotiate, a suicidal tactic if you want to reform, and a fantastic PR campaign for a death cult.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:16
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TheHoodedClaw posted:Channel 4 News just lost a lot of money in a libel case if this is true. serious legal question, can people imprisoned under the terrorism act sue for libel? I mean I could certainly understand the fully liberal argument of "yes prisoners have rights", but do they specifically in the uk have the right to do that? how would you assess the damage to an imprisoned radical jihadists reputation? Seaside Loafer posted:They would loose though wouldn't they, so kind-of a flawed concept. A flawed concept that means loads of people dieing and resources wasted on military crap instead of nice things. Who is the head guy in charge of Daesh, just stick him on the phone to me and i'll talk some sense into him, im sure he is a reasonable bloke once you get to know him, just got to talk some logic with him he died in a bombing attack but surprise! he isn't dead he's just not allowed outside or on cameras or visitors, maybe he's immortal?
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Mar 22, 2017 20:50
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OwlFancier posted:Presumably if he's being held on charges for something you could suggest it might influence the trial. The guy mis-represented is the one and only "We will bring sharia law here" from the only clip the BNP and UKIP ever got of anyone ever saying those words. He's the white-right's boogeyman. Used to hang around with abu hamza.
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Mar 22, 2017 20:56
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Lid posted:I find this view, and other mitigators, reprehensible. Its the same as the attack on Jo Cox, just because tge perpetrators change the actions do not. If you said this same poo poo at Cox's murder you would have justifiably referred to as a psychopath. Moral relativism is loving irritating. Jo Cox didn't vote for a war that killed millions so it wouldn't be true. The actions are fundamentally different. jabby posted:Ugh, now we have to listen to dozens of MPs talking about what a shock this is and how terrifying and traumatic it was for them. I watched crap footage of a small number of people dying today and I'm just coming out of the shock. I don't disagree with you on principle but I find it really hard not to empathise with the foreign secretary having a man die bleeding over him.
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Mar 22, 2017 21:01
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jabby posted:It was a foreign minister, but you're probably right. I just find it annoying that people like Michael Gove immediately took to the airwaves to talk about how horrific it was to hear the sound of gunshots. It's like you voted to take us to war several times, maybe you could make it less obvious you live in a well-insulated and safe bubble while others literally die to protect you. Gove? Gove sat outside the lobby screaming and calling people "copper bottomed shits" (excellent insult btw) for not voting with hillary benn on Lets Bomb Eviltown. We need a powerful state funded media who have the resources to put those two together and call him a piece of poo poo on TV.
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Oberleutnant posted:Should work now Since you didn't name and shame, it's The Emmaus Community. The link itself backs up the 40 hours for a bed claim. Here's the list of locations. Four pages worth. Simon Grainge is the chief exec, an ex cop based in exeter. Last one's a linkedin so if anyone actually *wants* his contact details and can't access, I can send those.
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