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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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Paxman posted:Everyone should read this because it shows why it's important to elect a Labour leader who has the confidence of their MPs. Then again it also shows why Labour needs better MPs.
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Mar 1, 2017 12:49
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Breath Ray posted:You'd be surprised at the range of products you can create through processing fish. You can, but you also don't have to fish them up yourself. Processing fish would clearly fall under the processed goods part of the economy.
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Mar 4, 2017 09:56
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learnincurve posted:The EU has without question stunted our agricultural sector. When quotas came in the average livestock farmer was at retirement age with very low levels of literacy, and the younger generation had very little interest at getting up at 4am in the snow. The quota are worth far far more than the land and big business pay a premium. No poo poo all the farmers sold up and buggered off to Spain. In the early days the new mega farms also wanted the land but they only wanted the minimum they could get away with for efficiency's sake, which has left us with miles and miles of land that by law cannot be farmed and is worth £fuckall. You remove the restrictions on what farmers can and cannot farm then you will end up with an explosion of small innovative businesses, probably focusing on the kind of intensive farming they have in china and japan. Yeah, I'm sure that the plucky British farmer is going to do super well after a couple of years when they're actually facing the protectionist agricultural policies of the EU rather than being shielded by them.
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Mar 4, 2017 10:48
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Paxman posted:She wouldn't though. She may be less left wing that many people here would like but she's not the same as Theresa May. She's not a Tory. Just because Tony managed to do some good in his spare time from crusading in the middle east doesn't mean that his cargo cult would. Paxman posted:And for all Yvette Cooper's faults, the alternative people seem to be offering is a Labour leader who is actively destroying the party and helping the Tories stay in power for God knows how long to come. The current crop of New Labourites have done far more harm to the party than Corbyn ever could, so I don't see how putting them back in charge would improve the medium to long-term situation.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:55
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Paxman posted:Surely it didn't seem like I was suggesting Labour should today should just echo the policies of 1997 to 2005. I'm saying Labour's record in Government suggests it's not true that the party is just as bad as the Tories when it gets into power, even when it has a centrist leader. It's actually better than the Tories, and would be again. Labour's record in government is irrelevant since the people who ran the government back then are not the New Labour of today, and every indicator shows that New Labour of today would in fact be the Tories with human-esque face. And even if that's a bit better than the Tories, it quite simply isn't good enough to actully fix any of the problems that need solving.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:00
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Plucky Brit posted:We already had him; his name was Tony Blair. I don't think Obama looks quite ghoulish enough for that.
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Mar 15, 2017 22:40
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LemonDrizzle posted:That's a really weird reading of a result that saw the overall left vote fall and is likely to produce a bland centre-right/liberal government with a VVD-CDA-D66 (read: traditional right, soft right/christian democrat, centrist liberal) core. Neoliberal Third Way parties aren't actually on the left and are also the poster children for a failed ideology, hth.
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Mar 15, 2017 23:00
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Cerv posted:Ken Livingstone threatening to take Labour to judicial review in the same interview as complaining certain MPs are "damaging the Labour party" is an interesting contrast. did he lose self-awareness along with gaining his Nazi obsession? Well, as the saying goes, it takes one to know one.
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Mar 22, 2017 14:54
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ThomasPaine posted:So I'm seriously considering using my savings to buy a bunch of gold in anticipation of Brexit, because I think the pound it going to spiral. I have no experience doing this. Good/bad idea? Financial advice on dying internet comedy forums and all, but goldbuggery is never a sound strategy.
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Mar 23, 2017 17:11
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LemonDrizzle posted:The European Parliament has leaked its initial stance on the Brexit negotiations: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/first-eu-response-to-article-50-takes-tough-line-on-transitional-deal I think the important part is that it's “subject to conditions set by all EU27 so they cannot be used as a procedural device or abused in an attempt to improve the actual terms of the United Kingdom’s membership”, so good luck backing out without getting your balls busted. Not that the list of conditions there combined with the Tories' suicide bomber approach to the Brexit negotiations doesn't already add up to a pretty solid risk of future testicular destruction, of course.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:05
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jBrereton posted:lol the battle between J-Melz and The Corbster to see who could tailspin the left into electoral oblivion the fastest would be something to watch but I'd rather have a strong left or *whisper* centre left instead of that Hollande, Miliband and Clinton already finished that particular race.
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Mar 29, 2017 22:38
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It's a perfectly accurate descriptive statement though?
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Mar 30, 2017 12:35
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TinTower posted:You better tell that to the Norwegian, Icelandic, and Liechensteiner governments, then. So wait, since when were any of these countries EU members?
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Mar 30, 2017 12:43
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TinTower posted:They aren't EU members but are full members of the single market. I hate to be all pissflapsy, but your statement rests on a wilful misunderstanding of what the word "remain" means, which is why I was making fun of you.
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Mar 30, 2017 14:44
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TinTower posted:It is possible, and under a different Whitehall administration, likely, that the UK-EU deal can involve the UK joining EFTA alongside leaving the EU, without interrupting EEA membership. So you're saying if the circumstances were entirely different from what they actually are, Corbyn's statement would be wrong. Jesus, and here I felt bad for having to descend into minor pedantry.
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Mar 30, 2017 14:59
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Pissflaps posted:Those different circumstances being labour winning a general election. It is rather fanciful that the circumstances under which Brexit will be negotiated would be altered by Labour winning a general election that won't take place until after the negotiations are finished, yes. I would call this pissflapping to the pissflaps, but on the other hand it's not entirely surprising that I'm forced to explain the concept of time to him.
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Mar 30, 2017 15:46
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