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95 | 18.63% |
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53 | 10.39% |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Ken Loach has written a good article about why blaming the current state of Labour entirely on Corbyn is a ridiculously simplistic view at best. He talks about how neither of the recent candidates were willing to campaign with Momentum or attend their events, and how the PLP as a whole isn't just rebelling against Corbyn but rebelling against his policies. They refuse to talk about them, refuse to campaign on them, and won't even endorse them in interviews. The party is fundamentally paralysed while we have elected representatives who refuse to represent the membership.
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Mar 1, 2017 02:49
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forkboy84 posted:Labour voted with the Government in the Commons. People got quite mad about it, three line whip & all that. Remember? Not on their own amendment, which was functionally identical to this one. Paxman posted:Everyone should read this because it shows why it's important to elect a Labour leader who has the confidence of their MPs. Not really, it shows the problems caused by selecting MPs that don't actually believe in socialism. The fact that they refuse to campaign on or even discuss Corbyn's policies has a lot more to do with their fundamental disagreement with them than his personal competence. jabby fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Mar 1, 2017 20:39
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awesome-express posted:So what are the chances that the government actually accepts this amendment? Doesn't look good. Then it comes down to whether or not the Lords have the balls to play ping-pong and gently caress up her March deadline. Which is probably self-defeating since the amendment would be denied anyway and the press would jump all over the Lords delaying Brexit.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:35
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's rebirth as party of the working class is recent and essentially a facade. It also doesn't seem to be working. Most indications show Labour mainly losing votes to the Lib Dems while the collapse of UKIP has sent all their votes to the Tories As depressing as it is, Farage is right when he says UKIP has no future as a mainstream party. It can either be rabidly anti-immigrant and nothing else, or it can try and take votes from Labour and end up giving tons of votes to the Tories.
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Mar 1, 2017 22:19
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TinTower posted:Owen Jones makes a lot of decent points in this video about how Corbyn needs to basically either go hard or go home. Most people here also wish Corbyn would 'go hard' in a John McDonnell mace-swinging fashion. The trouble is that if you want a left-wing Labour party he can't actually go home, not unless there's a rule change allowing a successor.
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Mar 1, 2017 23:04
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Pissflaps posted:Are you suggesting an appointed successor rather than one that is voted for by the labour membership? Of course not. I mean a successor as in one who originates from the same wing of the party and has similar views on the important issues. Also, McDonnell has a good policy of forcing people earning over 1m to publish their tax returns. Let's see how much attention it gets!
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Mar 1, 2017 23:09
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Pissflaps posted:Are you talking about a reduction in the number of nominations required? As someone who is so interested in the leadership of the Labour party I refuse to believe you're unaware of the proposed rule change needed to enable a leader from the left of the party to succeed Corbyn. Cerv posted:guardian doesn't seem to say - why the arbitrary cut off at £1M? It's an easy figure to understand, and McDonnell does an awesome Dr Evil impression he's been dying to bust out.
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Mar 1, 2017 23:17
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CptAwesome posted:Whats considered a normal wait to see a GP? I rang earlier today to make an appointment at my surgery and I've been told the next appointment is the 29th - literally 4 weeks away. Is it me or is this a bit long? Depends what you're going for. Anything acute and thats probably excessive. Reviews of chronic conditions, checkups, vaccinations etc. and it's not a big deal. You clearly have a very busy GP though.
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Mar 2, 2017 00:45
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jBrereton posted:ok what can we do with this information Individually? Nothing. But it puts huge moral pressure on people to pay their taxes. Public figures will be afraid of the media finding out about their aggressive tax avoidance, company bosses will be afraid of their workers finding out, etc. etc. Considering the complexity of tax laws using moral pressure to force people to pay up is a pretty good idea for no real downside. However as I expected outside of the Guardian article and something in the Belfast Telegraph I can't find any media coverage of this new policy announcement, and I predict Labour MPs aren't going to be shouting it from the rooftops either. jabby fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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Mar 2, 2017 02:43
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/837444983342960641 Looks like three additional candidates stood (independent, UKIP and Lib Dem) and the Ind in particular split the vote pretty well.
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Mar 3, 2017 00:43
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TinTower posted:In all seriousness, it's a very Jewish ward. And the Tories have, despite their history, been able to siphon a lot of the Jewish vote from Labour in the past eighteen months. Explains why their share of the vote actually went down. I'm sure the split of the vote by a new independent candidate had nothing to do with the result. Also, council by-elections are meaningless and whoever wins it's really tedious that people keep bringing them up.
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Mar 3, 2017 00:51
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Regarde Aduck posted:we definitely can't amend it even a little bit because of reasons. The Tory defence of this on question time last night was particularly ludicrous. "We can't guarantee EU citizens can stay until we get assurance from Europe. " "So you would consider deporting all those people?" "NOBODY IS SAYING THAT!" Of course you are you utter twats. If their status depends on the negotiation you're saying you'd deport them if the negotiations go badly. You cant refuse to guarantee their status and act hugely offended when someone suggests you might revoke their status.
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Mar 3, 2017 14:47
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TinTower posted:One piece of good news: the most seats the DUP can get is 30. Will almost certainly only win 29; if Eamonn McCann's lucky, 28. If they get less than 30 don't they lose their ability to veto progressive legislation?
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Mar 4, 2017 01:06
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JFairfax posted:it boggles my mind that we live in a world where this is a thing: After we leave the EU and ditch all of our food safety standards, look out for these on shelves near you.
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Mar 4, 2017 14:00
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So with the DUP reduced to 28 seats and that Traditional Voice guy with one, they still fall a seat short of launching a petition of concern. Does this bode well for gay marriage/abortion rights in Northern Ireland, or are there other parties that would be happy to join a blocking motion?
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Mar 4, 2017 17:09
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Guavanaut posted:Abortion rights in England aren't all that great anyway, there's no abortion on demand like most of Europe, so there's plenty of room for NI doctors to deliberately wreck the whole thing if they were given a boilerplate of the English laws. English abortion law isn't great, but it would still be a vast improvement. Even if your average GP in Ireland was anti-abortion, they would be obliged by law to refer patients to someone else. And doctors working in abortion clinics aren't likely to have the same objections.
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Mar 4, 2017 18:26
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Today tens of thousands of people marched in London against austerity and were addressed by the shadow Chancellor and leader of the opposition. Online at least, it didn't qualify as news. Meanwhile Ben Bradshaw said Copeland was all Corbyns fault and this is the top story on the Independent. gently caress the media in this country.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:56
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LemonDrizzle posted:The march is on the front pages of the Guardian, Times, Beeb, Mirror, and Indy right now. Might be an idea to do a few seconds of background research before breathlessly copy-pasting the Canary's take on the situation. I know it's hard to tolerate people having a different opinion, but the 'front page' of a website can mean anything from top billing to a tiny link in the corner. I just don't think a march attended by tens of thousands and the two most prominent opposition politicians is getting the attention it should. Especially when places like the Independent consider a single Labour MPs hot take to be more headline worthy when that take is anti-Corbyn.
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Mar 4, 2017 22:00
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Don't lol me said it better than me. Maybe I just missed the brief period where this story was a top news item, but the fact that several very major news sites have absolutely buried it and another has it underneath yet another tedious Corbyn attack piece is enough reason to justify my 'gently caress the media' opinion.
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Mar 4, 2017 23:04
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Isn't it a leading question to ask who was responsible for the loss and then include options like a speech, the weather, and the media? EDIT: Also it's a shame that people like Rebecca Long-Bailey aren't higher up in the polls. The fact that John McDonnell polls relatively high shows that people are willing to vote for a left-wing candidate. Although any talk of a possible Corbyn replacement is for nought while the rules and the PLP remain the same. Changing one or both of those should probably be Corbyn's priority at the moment. RLB was good on Peston today, although Ed Balls was there again to knife Corbyn. It looks like the leaks/attack articles from Labour MPs are ramping up again, so maybe we are on track for a second coup attempt. jabby fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Mar 5, 2017 |
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Mar 5, 2017 13:57
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hakimashou posted:Can't ask people who! They might think somone is responsible! They might think it's the dear leader! Even getting away from Corbyn, it's a pretty poorly worded poll all around. For example: "Who do you think is most responsible for losing Copeland? (tick all that apply)" How can more than one thing be most responsible?
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Mar 5, 2017 14:46
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Pissflaps posted:I think Jeremy is the product of some Tory project to create their perfect Labour leader. Thatcher already completed this project though? If anything Corbyn is the twisted creature that crawled out of the pod unnoticed after Blair was complete, composed entirely of the parts he left behind, like socialism, but drained of charisma. The Anti-Tone.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:54
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Pissflaps posted:Oh yeah because that thing about Tony Blair actually being a Tory and all that those things that helped people were done in the wrong way great point. If you keep making the point that Tories must love Corbyn I'm going to keep reminding you that Thatcher actually loved Blair.
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Mar 5, 2017 23:57
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According to the Guardian Corbyn employed an accountant this year (for the first time) and his tax was deducted via PAYE anyway. If that's correct then there's probably a decent explanation for why his return doesn't seem right, the only question is whether his team will be able to find out what it is and get it out there. EDIT: And of course it will reflect badly on him if the problem is either his accountant loving up or his team publishing the wrong page of the return.
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Mar 6, 2017 01:57
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https://twitter.com/LOTOcomms/status/838549340947890177 That was relatively quick. Apparently it was counted as 'public office' rather than 'employment' and so wasn't on the page published.
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Mar 6, 2017 02:03
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Pissflaps posted:So, incompetence then. Actually the money is apparently included on the page shown under pensions and benefits. Presumably the first media person to look at his return was too dumb to realise he didn't get the full benefit in the tax year shown. Hes just taken a smaller pension than assumed on top of a 27k leadership benefit. Of course this information has not affected how most media outlets are reporting the story.
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Mar 6, 2017 08:40
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Pissflaps posted:Why are you describing his income from being leader of the opposition as a 'benefit'? Because that's how it's been listed by his accountant? Who cares what it counts as, the point is the media are just making Corbyn the story (and are still doing so even after being corrected) despite his return being correct. Edit: although every headline now says he 'faces questions' rather than claiming he actually did anything wrong, which is a sure sign they all know the story is bollocks. jabby fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 08:58
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/838330022444294144 You know drat well the context of this sentence was her saying Labour doesn't take any votes for granted, and she doesn't like to imply that by calling anywhere a safe seat. You're being as disingenuous as the express if you're trying to imply it means anything other than that. Also, you can put income wherever you feel it's most appropriate on a tax return. Multiple options are often acceptable. The fact that where Corbyns accountant chose to put his added pay is the big story rather than Hammond outright refusing to publish his is what's wrong with this country.
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Mar 6, 2017 13:54
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TinTower posted:I'm pretty sure that Corbyn imposing a three-line whip for Brexit despite 78% of his constituents voting Remain is taking their votes for granted, you know. Suddenly talking about policy is not a very good deflection from grossly misrepresenting what someone said. You implied RLB was suggesting Labour might lose, which isn't true, and is the same disingenuous interpretation printed in the Express. Do you really want to be in the same bucket as the Express? jabby fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Mar 6, 2017 |
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Mar 6, 2017 19:17
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TinTower posted:Jeremy's totally fine to do so over Brexit. Are you really saying you can't tell the difference between a policy position and an outright lie? Oh wait.  Nevermind.
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Mar 6, 2017 19:27
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Namtab posted:Thanks imdb If anime teaches us anything it's that the penetration doesn't have to be realistic.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:01
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Gonzo McFee posted:So how long did Pissflaps go on about JC's tax returns not showing his earnings when they showed his earnings? Guys, it took like several hours from a journalist making up something completely unfounded to Corbyn's team being able to explain it in enough simple detail to satisfy people that don't want to be satisfied. Inexcusable.
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Mar 6, 2017 23:19
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XMNN posted:making alcohol and tobacco more expensive is a good thing The NHS would be far better off if we all smoked and drank ourselves into early graves. A few months of futile chemo/radiotherapy for your lung cancer followed by some grief counselling for your widow beats the hell out of ten or fifteen years of dementia care. I have to admit even as a doctor I have mixed feelings about hiking booze and fag duty. On the one hand it objectively makes people healthier. On the other, it only limits the life choices of the poor, and it does it by placing the things people want out of their means. While the rich get to do whatever the hell they like because having money exempts you from all these health drives.
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Mar 6, 2017 23:51
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The only cough syrups worth a crap are basically liquid codeine. They actually suppress the cough reflex, unlike other stuff which is just sugar syrup that soothes a tickly throat for about two minutes. You can still buy codeine linctus without a prescription in the UK, it's just a 'pharmacist only' product that you have to either ask for or buy online after answering a few questions. It's worth it, just take it with some laxatives or you'll never poop again. EDIT: And phenylephrine is worthless and has no evidence behind it whatsoever. Pseudoephidrine or don't bother. jabby fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 01:13
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Seaside Loafer posted:So the full proper cold whammy is ibuprofen + paracetamol + codine + Pseudoephidrine ? Pretty much, although you can add caffeine and antihistamines to that. The best thing I've found for colds is to accept that you are going to feel lovely some of the time, but that you can use drugs to essentially 'pause' your symptoms when you need to get poo poo done. For example my usual cocktail when I have to work during a really bad cold is paracetamol (pain), psuedoephidrine (congestion), an antihistamine (runny nose), and a bunch of caffeine to fight the associated tiredness. I end up feeling worse than ever in the evening when all these meds wear off, but it gives me a day of suppressed symptoms.
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Mar 7, 2017 02:27
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OwlFancier posted:Do doctors just dose themselves up to the eyeballs on whatever? I don't know how they avoid being sick constantly with hours and all the sick people they encounter. It varies, but when you're familiar with medications and how they work you do get more comfortable with taking them. Plenty of normal people don't like taking the full dose of paracetamol, let alone mixing half a dozen pills for various cold symptoms, but most doctors probably wouldn't think anything of it. You do get sick quite often though, but at least over here we can still take time off. I've spoken to docs in America that have worked shifts with an IV in their arm because they're puking/making GBS threads every half hour, or with a high fever, or wearing a mask to try and avoid spreading the flu. We aren't quite there yet, the most I will go to work with is a cold/occasional migraine. Seaside Loafer posted:Just want to say that I salute you doc, please dont feel un-appreciated, im a keyboard toucher and could not do the job you do. Bear in mind that basically everyone of a sensible mind loves you and what you do xxxx That's very kind of you, and kind words from patients/members of the public are always appreciated. I was genuinely overwhelmed by the amount of support we got from the public during the strikes last year. jabby fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 03:08
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Cerv posted:it stinks of a kind of Trump-ian anti-intellectualism They weren't dismissing his opinion because he's a scientist, they were dismissing it because he's not an expert in politics. Although even if he were the question of whether or not Corbyn should step down largely depends on what sort of policies you support, so it's literally the case that one person's opinion is no more valuable than another. That's pretty far from being anti intellectual.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:52
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So apparently the BBC did a journalism thing by reporting 100 sexualised images of children to Facebook and seeing how many of them were removed. They then wrote to Facebook saying 'why weren't these removed' and Facebook asked for examples of the images. The BBC provided them, and Facebook promptly reported them to the police for sharing images of child exploitation. Its a serious topic, but that's some pretty top class trolling from Facebook.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:17
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Breath Ray posted:I dont think this is quite right I support socialist policies. If Corbyn steps down now he will not be replaced by someone who supports socialist policies.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:19
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Breath Ray posted:When would you like him to step down? When there has been a rule change to democratise the selection of leader, and/or the composition of the PLP has changed to better reflect the wishes of the membership. In short, when he can be replaced by someone else whose policies I support. As for me 'preferring' a Tory government, if you could guarantee me that a centrist Labour party would beat the Tories and get a majority then getting rid of Corbyn now might be a difficult decision. But centrist Labour lost the last two elections and I believe helped push the political discourse of this country to the right. So I'd rather have a Corbyn leadership that might reform the Labour party than go back to centrism with no guarantee of getting into power.
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