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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Spangly A posted:Can you define yourself ethno-nationally so we have a suggestion who we should kick out? Perfidious yanqui
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hakimashou posted:Also lol at the Phillipenes vs The British Empire. America is the living triumph of colonialism young poster
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Mar 1, 2017 17:23
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That feel when Labour voters quietly mumble thanks to the unelected ermine fringed upper house
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Mar 1, 2017 20:04
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greens 1, pbp 2 (McCann) and then Eastwood 3 I guess if he needs it
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Mar 2, 2017 12:09
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TinTower posted:Don't do exactly this, as you run the risk of exhausting your ballot. Nah I know the mechanics of how the counting will play pretty well. Greens 1 is try to tip them over 1%, which probably won't happen, so when they got knocked out it will transfer to McCann who is in the running for the 5th seat against SF, Eastwood three is in case McCann gets knocked out to boost his numbers - in that case it will split 2 SF, 1 DUP, 2 SDLP DUP are a lock and the unionist vote is small here so they can only carry one seat even with transfers and frankly returning McCann is a more important battle imo
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Mar 2, 2017 12:19
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Spangly A posted:KKK is there even a slight chance we're not going to see DUP/SF as the big two? I saw the vote pref polls and they aren't comforting Nah they will be biggest parties barring a huge shift which is why well probably get direct rule in a month
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Mar 2, 2017 12:22
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SF have said they don't want a new agreement, just an implementation of outstanding terms from the last agreements and have made a lot of noises to indicate this will be done by direct negotiation with the Tories - one of the big outstanding issues is legacy investigations which has become snarled up in a roadblock over disagreements with the government over evidence considered security sensitive the government does not want to hand over. Of course putting James "I wrote a column complaining about the witchunt of our brave troops on the anniversary of bloody Sunday" Brokenshire in charge at a time of increasing Tory backbench pressure for a statute of limitations to protect ARE BOYS means its doubtful that's going to get agreed in two weeks
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Mar 2, 2017 12:32
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OwlFancier posted:So is NI just having basically a snap general cos the government collapsed? I gathered stuff was a bit dire but I guess I missed the bit where it actually went tits up. The election is happening cause the government collapsed but there is zero garauntee a new government can be put together after the election
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Mar 2, 2017 22:47
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OwlFancier posted:I think I remember you saying that people are a bit sick of a lot of the parties and it's hard to know what's going to happen exactly. The smaller parties might get a boost but were taking a major tide change to forestall a quagmire this could signal a beginning of the reversal of a 13 year old trend but no one considers a huge shift likely
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Mar 2, 2017 22:52
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basically hope the DUP loses seats, the UUP vote share shows some sign of increase rather than stagnation and the small other parties make more percentage gains and hold their ground with the number of available seats going down
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Mar 2, 2017 22:54
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OwlFancier posted:So that's the nats sweeping it then. If Sinn Fein actually becomes the largest party we will legit be ruled by Tories for several years
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Mar 2, 2017 23:00
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forkboy84 posted:Isn't that looking like the likeliest outcome at this point anyway? Unlikey. Maybe the off chance of being the biggest first preference vote winner but unionist transfer votes give a distinct edge in terms of winning seats, SF can only profit so much from a split unionist electorate thanks to STV. The grim spectre of SF becoming the largest party is the DUP's favorite electioneering strategy to scare Unionist voters into transferring down to them or vote for them straight up, they just wave a paper cut out of Gerry Adams and make some spooky noises If the margin between them in seat numbers got even slimmer and it actually looked like a possibility the Unionist rank closing would be crazy, voting pacts (which are usually reserved for westminster) might even get dusted off in some constituencies edit: oh, you mean ruled by the Tories. Yeah I am preparing my body as we speak kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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Mar 2, 2017 23:40
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baka kaba posted:*sinister quacking* you say that... https://twitter.com/patsymcglone/status/834402124226260993
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Mar 2, 2017 23:46
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Paxman posted:So who's lesson the Shinners in Northern Ireland now that McGuiness has gone? Gerry Adams is basically now focusing on politics in Ireland, as in Republic of Ireland, is that right? Former health minister/agriculture minister Michelle O Neil was appointed "Leader in the North", not necessarily the most recognisable SF face but shes young and has never been to prison (though her rustiness showed in the leaders debates imo). Gerry largely stays down South and when he ventures up to get involved he's usually blamed for making things worse now as the combative position he's used to using in opposition in the Dail doesn't necessarily gel well with the compromises of the Assembly, McGuinness was seen as better at playing the steady at the tiller role and smoothing over things Though of course many people think that sort of compromise is responsible for the rise of the left wing protest parties and nationalist disengagement
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Mar 3, 2017 00:28
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There's a fair chunk of chin stroking opinion that thinks that if McGuinness wasn't in bad health some kind of out could have been negotiated for the current crisis that could have avoided total collapse but we will never know
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Mar 3, 2017 00:31
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All these people talking down Cornish independence on twitter on the run up to the vote are ridiculous, with the PDO for Cornish Pasties secured the UK will be reliant on good trade relations with Cornwall What are they going to do? Eat pork pies? gently caress no
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Mar 3, 2017 15:01
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Breath Ray posted:Has there been any polling on which way the corns will go? I don't think there's been any reliable polling as the Emmet clause in the referendum motion hasn't gone into full effect so were still not clear on the final electoral roll
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Mar 3, 2017 15:13
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Nesbitt might be finished as leader. Might be time for another rightward swing
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Mar 3, 2017 17:03
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The SDLP has made a rights balls up of this. Finishing fourth on first preferences in south down, getting in last in mid ulster and SF topping the vote in Foyle by a huge margin
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Mar 3, 2017 18:08
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Wheat Loaf posted:Well, that's the problem the SDLP and the UUP have both had for close to 10 years - what can they offer their core constituents that Sinn Fein and the DUP can't? I thought Eastwood had done a better job as leader than anyone post-Hume and may of at least held their bases, as someone from Derry seeing SF break through the old defences here raises an eyebrow. Are we sure Sugden is coming back? She didn't seem so keen about it and I can see Long taking Justice to check SF/DUP after the opposition got walked over
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Mar 3, 2017 18:48
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GerryAdamsSinnFeinIRA
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Mar 3, 2017 21:25
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Doug Beattie rapidly being singled out to replace Nesbitt
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Mar 3, 2017 21:39
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Wheat Loaf posted:He's ruled himself out for now, though. Says he doesn't think he has the knowledge or experience to lead the party. Might end up falling to him by default. If Nesbitt was too liberal for many in the UUP Beattie seems like a hard sell, what with his stance on same-sex marriage and siding with the more liberal bloc over abortion. Who's left for the conservatives - Swann?
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Mar 3, 2017 21:55
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I don't think we're ready for a leader's debate with a Ballymena man
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Mar 3, 2017 22:03
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Excuse me but Gerry Adams was never in the IRA don't you know
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Mar 3, 2017 22:32
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Failing to kneecap his brother on the otherhand
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Mar 3, 2017 22:44
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TinTower posted:One piece of good news: the most seats the DUP can get is 30. Will almost certainly only win 29; if Eamonn McCann's lucky, 28. Changing designations wouldn't do it, there's a deliberate fiddly out clause Northern Ireland (St Andrews Agreement) Act 2006 16C(6) posted:(6)If at any time the party which is the largest political party of the largest political designation is not the largest political party— So if Nationalist became the largest designation through someone jumping sides, if SF is one seat shy of the DUP the DUP would still retain the right to nominate first minister by virtue of being the largest political party
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Mar 4, 2017 01:07
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OwlFancier posted:I did not know that NI had official rules about dealing with nationalists/unionists. lol of course we do
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Mar 4, 2017 01:14
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TinTower posted:What if, as isn't improbable, the DUP and SF tie at 28-28 and PBP jump ship (which would possibly tie the community-wide totals too)? You have Jim Allister (TUV) and Claire Sugden (Ind) to add to the Unionist count so you'd need to muster two defectors. The Greens wouldn't be up for that - I doubt you'll get an Alliance jumper Only time there was tactical redesignation was when Alliance went Unionist for like one day to save Trimble during the wobbly decommissioning days
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Mar 4, 2017 01:19
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I mean if the UUP weren't hosed before this election the closeness of this may mean they are now - I expect in the multi-month negotiations we'll get a rejiggering of the First Minister position so that it's just First Ministers (no deputy) who the largest party in the largest designation each have a right to nominate for with any vague illusion of primacy in position (and it is only an illusion now) officially dispelled and both names being put forward and voted on at the same time
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Mar 4, 2017 01:24
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TinTower posted:The SDLP are projected to finish on two more than the UUP, I believe. So only the PBP would need to go Nationalist. If the SDLP finish on 12, SF will finish on 27 - they are competing for the last seat in the same constituency
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Mar 4, 2017 01:24
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TinTower posted:Ah, yeah, I realised that as soon as my maths didn't add up. Still, I think a PBP jump if SF win the East Londonderry seat would have 28-28 and 40-40. It would be super deadlock yeah but I can't see PBP handing SF the ultimate prize, they seemed more than a little bitter over the conduct of the Belfast West election
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Mar 4, 2017 01:30
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If Carroll jumped id be concerned about the Alliance vote holding up in future elections, even liberal unionists could get spooked
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Mar 4, 2017 01:34
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Entropy238 posted:Would UUP ever conceivably team up with DUP/TUV to lodge a petition of concern vs gay marriage? Depends who the leader of the UUP is but a conservative MLA throwing their signature on a petition isnt unlikely at all, if a Liberal gets the leadership and tries to strengthen the whip on the issue (at the minute its a free vote for the party) I could see it Abortion is a bit trickier. You have the DUP and SDLP, the TUV and maybe half of the UUP that would prevent it getting a simple majority
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Mar 4, 2017 17:42
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jBrereton posted:Hopefully when direct rule happens HMG just tells everyone to gently caress off and gives NI the same abortion/gay rights laws as England. The Tories don't want direct rule so they are not going to reward anyone. Rates freezes will go out the window, domestic water charges (originally proposed under the last period of direct rule) might be coming back... They'll want to force an agreement as soon as possible by reminding Stormont that they give zero fucks
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Mar 4, 2017 17:56
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I'm doubtful the Tories will make moves on same sex marriage as it was a major campaigning demand of SF and moving to instate it after a collapse of devolution over the heads of the DUP would be spun as a victory by SF. The Tories don't want to make direct rule attractive in any way, there is a non-insignificant chunk of opinion in NI that thinks direct rule can be no worse than Stormont and will allow outstanding issues to be directly negotiated with Westminster who would prefer to keep their distance - they'll want to smash that idea and remind people that it is not really an option you should consider
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Mar 4, 2017 18:59
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Spangly A posted:I'm not sure how Theresa May is stupid enough to think that provoking Sinn Fein, the DUP, the UUP and the SNP at the same time will work out for her, but tories gonna tory. From a Whitehall perspective direct rule is not and should not be an option for parties to fallback on to preserve their negotiation stances, they would much prefer regional negotiations yielded successful agreement without them having to step in - Villiers has already been in the press today calling for emergency legislation to extend the government formation period in order to forestall what seems to be the inevitable. Ironically reminding the parties here that direct rule is a pile of shite is meant to remind them the value of Stormont - either you sort it out or you get the Tory's and all the spending cuts that entails
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Mar 4, 2017 19:48
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happyhippy posted:http://www.irishcentral.com/culture/craic/northern-irish-accent-voted-the-sexiest-in-the-uk pfft but which sub accent
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Mar 4, 2017 23:42
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see also: Murials
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Paisley is pure flow mid-ulster and Belfahhhhst and Derry wans rip the piss out of that accent a lot. I think any Northern who has had to make themselves intelligible to outsiders gets accused of being posh tbh
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