Current Events 3/17: good job cole

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Dead Reckoning: Sep 13, 2011

Godholio posted:

Hey so

https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/837087562950918144

I thought it already came out that they're using Whisper or one of those other apps that auto deletes text messages because none of them have heard of Federal record keeping laws and probably wouldn't care if they had.

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 11:16

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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

He realizes Scotts hate him as well if not more, right?

He's going to his golf course.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2017 19:02

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Frosted Flake posted:

Artillery conquers, Kurds occupy.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2017 03:32

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Casimir Radon posted:

He specifically said "mentally unstable" people, which is a legitimate problem. If people can't understand thay caveat than they're too stupid to engage with anyway.

I'm not really cool with someone losing any enumerated right on the say-so of a VA doctor or their decision to appoint a fiduciary. The burden of proof should be on the people saying someone is crazy. Personally, I think if someone is determined to be too incompetent to be trusted with guns, they should lose their franchise as well.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2017 03:41

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DoktorLoken posted:

http://www.businessinsider.com/nude-photo-marine-corps-pentagon-scandal-2017-3

Goddamn, gently caress all of these people. This is legit sexual predator poo poo.

From the original article:

quote:

The photo sharing began less than a month after the first Marine infantry unit was assigned women Jan. 5. It underscores ongoing problems of sexual harassment within military ranks and could hurt recruitment of women. Officials within the Defense Department confirmed it also puts service members at risk for blackmail and jeopardizes national security.

good job debba dawgs, hooah.

This poo poo is never going away BTW

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 04:21

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orange juche posted:

Would you react the same to pictures of dudes getting posted online?

I would. If you're in the military, having naked photos of yourself out there (and by out there I mean they exist at all, because "no one else will see it/find out" is rarely ever true) is opening yourself up to exploitation. This is both a counter intelligence concern, and contrary to good order and discipline: it is going to make it more difficult to compel respect from the lower ranks if they can Google pictures of your tits/dick. The dipshits sharing this stuff and taking creeper shots of female service members need to get court martialed, but I feel that Article 133 should be interpreted to include "taking naked pictures of yourself."

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 17:32

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CommieGIR posted:

There goes the force.

We're going to have to hire a lot smarter recruits if you want to enforce that.

We manage OK despite one AETC base I was at quietly taking down the "days since last DUI" counter because the frequency of resets was a source of shame. I know it would be controversial (putting it mildly) to enforce, especially in the swirling military hellmouth of drinking/poor life choices/tech school marriage/adultery/acrimonious divorce, but hopefully after a few idiots got drummed out when their command learned about their XXX Instagram or their predilection for sending pictures of their hog to randos on Tinder, people would get the message that it's a really stupid thing to do.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 17:41

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CommieGIR posted:

While we need to go after these fucks who turned this into a force-wide tit show, you're really walking the line by suggesting nude sharing between consenting adults without force wide sharing be a UCMJ punishable offence. You are not going to legislate away sex via UCMJ, including photo swapping between two people.

However, what the UCMJ SHOULD cover, is people that think having a nude photo of a fellow Marine/Airman/Sailor is grounds for them to share it with all their buddies.

Adultery is a crime under the UCMJ. So is a bunch of other stuff (GO1B) that is normally legal between consenting adults. Rarely prosecuted, granted, but the same argument about the behavior being contrary to good order and discipline applies here. No, I don't think we should let the idiots who open themselves up to this in the first place off the hook. I enjoy receiving naked pictures of my partner as much as the next person, but I can understand why, if they're a judge or a cop or a loving military officer, maybe they shouldn't be doing that.

TBeats posted:

Enforcing it would go about the same as no porn on deployment.

So generally ignored until someone does something dumb enough to bring their stupidity to the level where their command can no longer ignore it? Sounds reasonable.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 17:54

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Godholio posted:

I'm reminded of the recent Air Force instructor pilot fiasco, where dudes were texting Miley Cyrus lyrics about drug use to each other, someone reported them, they passed all the drug tests and no evidence was found of any wrongdoing, and yet their careers were ruined.

OTOH, after reading the text messages entered into evidence into evidence, those dudes were 100% buying and doing drugs. They still should have been cleared because the evidence didn't meet any sort of reasonable standard to prove drug use, but I'm not convinced they were innocent.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 18:02

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CommieGIR posted:

I think, if I was a commander, my questions would be: "If you can't keep a nude that someone sends you private between you and the consenting party who sent it, why should I trust you with Intel or Combat tasks?"

And my corollary to that would be, "If you showed the staggeringly bad judgment of sending pictures of your hog/cooch to someone who you didn't know for a fact would keep them secure, why should I trust your judgment in anything related to personnel matters or sensitive material?" You're trying to excuse away bad judgment.

mlmp08 posted:

And blaming someone for taking a picture and then it gets stolen or redistributed without consent is somewhat like blaming someone for having money that gets stolen.

If you end up in debt with a real estate scam because your lovely cousin Andre had a sure fire money making opportunity that couldn't fail, and you trusted him and you didn't pay attention to what was going on with your money, you deserve to have your security clearance pulled and to be prosecuted for whatever illegal poo poo Andre got you involved in.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 19:03

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mlmp08 posted:

Thousands of military members conspire to break the law and distribute nudes...

"But what about the person who took a selfie?"

No one is arguing that the dipshits on Marines United and 4chan need to get prosecuted, but some people are arguing that the officers and NCOs who digitized nude photos of themselves have no responsibility for this mess.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 19:07

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Handsome Ralph posted:

Dude, you are victim blaming people for revenge porn. Don't die fighting on this hill.

Here�s my take on it, and after this I'll consider my piece said: taking nudes of yourself is contrary to good order and discipline, and the rest of my position follows logically from that. It might be OK for an ordinary civilian Jim or Jane, but it is unacceptable for a military member. The fact that the people in question were themselves victims of a crime is immaterial to me. If a soldier's jilted ex boyfriend revealed that she had been revealing classified to him, I would similarly expect her to be prosecuted.

When a bureaucrat gets in trouble for sending racist emails to friends, or wearing blackface at a private party, or sending snaps of their dick to women who aren't their wife, no one comes out to defend their right to privacy.

I personally think the camera phone was the worst invention of the last 20 years. After a few formative experiences early in my career, I realized that I had to be on guard at all times, because if I told an off color joke in public or cussed out a Wal-Mart cashier or got drunk at a party, I was one joker with a cell phone away from being a WSHH superstar and losing the respect of my superiors, peers, and subordinates. It sucks. But this is the world we've all decided we're going to live in by default, one where people can easily make your private poo poo public, and your worst moments can be recorded for posterity. Members of the military have to integrate their lives and careers in that context, and if someone doesn't have the self discipline to not take pictures of their junk while serving in a public capacity, they probably don't belong in the military.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 21:38

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the JJ posted:

Maybe the fact that your right to be an rear end in a top hat is being curtailed shouldn't have any effect on other people enjoying consensual funtimes?

And perhaps there's a difference between you being called out for being a shitbird in public and people having their privacy violated?

They were hypothetical examples of brief lapses in good judgment that one needs to avoid for the sake of one's career in an era where everything is recorded and shared. You seem to think it's reasonable for commanders to punish soldiers who do things like that, so unless you're going to argue that an officer or NCO having naked pictures floating around isn't contrary to good order and discipline, your position seems rather inconsistent.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2017 22:49

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not caring here posted:

Poor circulation, and usually peripheral neuropathy mask the real hurt so you don't know you have one until your toe looks gangrenous

People with the classic diabetic feet from poorly controlled diabetes usually have a whole constellation of other related health issues too.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 00:06

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If you say yes to a blowie from a Filipino hooker while wearing Douglas MacArthur's wheel cap, I can't really be mad at you.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 21:11

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not caring here posted:

Yeah, that whole "leaving people to bleed out in handcuffs" thing just makes me completely unsympathetic. I get it, cops are gonna make (bad) mistakes sometimes, but poo poo maybe just giving the dude with extra holes you put in him some gauze to try and stem the bleeding a bit? Not only not helping him but making him unable to help himself is just some cold poo poo.

I imagine it's because good Samaritan protections don't cover people you just shot. Better to wait for the actual paramedics to get there, from a strictly medico-legal perspective.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 21:22

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AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Doesn't hurt that dead people make for terrible witnesses.

They are certainly less litigious than alive people, but the jury awards and legal penalties tend to be higher. I highly doubt viability of the patient as a witness factors in to cops' procedures for rendering aid though.

I your shooting was justified, the guy can die and you're in the clear. OTOH, since you probably can't establish a meaningful patient relationship, if you try to treat the person you shot you likely open yourself up to civil suits for all sorts of malpractice (and their lawyer is definitely going to claim that whatever damages their client suffered were a result of your interventions rather than the bullet.) IANAL though, just suggesting what I see as plausible.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 21:45

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ZombieApostate posted:

Well, the cop handcuffed him so clearly he's in custody now.

I was about to point that out. How "in custody" is interpreted has a lot of bearing on how that plays out. Anyone the cops shoot is probably going to be in custody immediately.

ReebTop posted:

if they aren't supposed to help because "what if I get sued," why did that one cop glove up right before the EMS crews were arriving?

This is a bad shoot by a bad cop, that got excused for no reason other than that the guy has a badge. I'm sorry if this is really hostile, but my partner at work is a ridiculous police brutality apologist, sheepdog meme poster type guy, and this poo poo is all he can ever talk about. It has driven me insane.

Maybe to pick up evidence or search the vehicle? IDK, I'm just pointing out that the legal issues surrounding providing untrained medical aid to someone you just shot aren't as cut and dry as people seem to think.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 22:50

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Mr. Nice! posted:

I know in most places firefighters are also EMT certified and there's really no good reason for police to not be as well.

In my county, most of them are actually paramedics, because these days 95% of firefighting work appears to be answering 911 medical calls.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 22:54

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Mr. Nice! posted:

A dude bleeding out crying on the ground is not in custody.

Also the only reason that custody is mentioned is that the question proposed for the advisory opinion specified out of custody. "1. Does a law enforcement officer have a legal duty to provide aid to ill, injured, and distressed persons, who are not in police custody, during an emergency?" The answer is yes police officers on or off the clock have a duty to provide aid up to their level of competence.

An officer absolutely has a duty of care to aid someone that is in custody. This was never in question. Once again, though, it is only up to their level of competence.

Like I said, neither a lawyer nor a cop. I'd be interested to see if there are any cases where someone has sued the cops, either a department or in their individual capacity, for inadequate medical care of a person they shot.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 23:19

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psydude posted:

He's basically raping and pillaging everything that isn't DHS or DoD.

*Updates USAJobs searches*

# ¿ Mar 16, 2017 17:08

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VikingSkull posted:

Well, when I look at how right-wing populism is affecting the entirety of Western civilization at the moment I tend to think that it's the left that needs to adjust and offer actual solutions to stuff. Right now, the right is being openly evil and the only effective counter anyone on the left seems to have is pointing at them and saying they are evil.

It is the responsibility of voters to elect candidates who are qualified for the office they seek and who have the interests of the country in mind. This is true. It is also 100% irrelevant to actually winning elections, because most people, at a very basic level, aren't rational actors.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2017 17:35

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CommieGIR posted:

It seems like right now ICE is just a more heavily armed version of the TSA: Incompetant, Heartless, and probably filled with racists and xenophobes.

Man, it's just another giant Federal bureaucracy. Every CBP agent I've talked to was basically of the "eh, it's a living" mindset. The typical entry level position is that guy who checks passports at the airport, and the recruiter at the last job fair I was at talked about how much he loved his job inspecting containers. I can't imagine ICE is that much different.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2017 16:06