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Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Yay two games in hand

Also, if the leafs were to win tonight and Ottawa lost they would be tied for second in the division

I'm sure they won't tho because that would be too good to be true

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Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Stretch Marx posted:

N: Matthews scores twice and ties the rookies record for goal for all US born rookies. Toronto leapfrogs Boston and ties Ottawa for 2nd.

V: :toot::toot::toot:

V: ugly win but :toot::toot::toot:

Kalenn Istarion
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Stretch Marx posted:

N: Matthews scores twice and ties the rookies record for goal for all US born rookies. Toronto leapfrogs Boston and ties Ottawa for 2nd.

V: :toot::toot::toot:

Oh also technically Toronto is in sole possession of second by virtue of higher ROW

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Powershift posted:

So does it start out as "i'm an idiot, i should be a referee" or do they start out as regular functional individuals and just get broken down into scrap parts by their job?

You need a certain kind of psyche to not break when every shithead in the peanut gallery thinks their 6 beers gives them better judgement on plays than your decades of experience, so maybe?

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Suspicious posted:

On one hand, this. On the other, Tim Peel.

I mean every profession has its fuckups

Aphrodite posted:

If I messed up as often as they do I wouldn't still have mine.

It probably says something about how difficult it is that the best in the world still gently caress up more often than anyone would like

grack posted:

If you ever want to have a deep and abiding hatred for humanity start officiating children's sports leagues.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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The other thing to keep in mind is that doing it in real time from ice level is very different from being in the stands. Perspective matters a lot.

The offside video review is as good an example of this as anything - 10 options for cameras on replay and it's still a judgement call (that is sometimes judged wrong)

Powershift posted:

I don't know. When there's a rule where you're not allowed to slap another player in the face with your stick and someone slaps another player in the face with their stick as they're skating away, judgement doesn't seem like a huge part of it. When each team is only supposed to have 5 skaters playing on the ice and one team goes with 6 for a bit, that's more of a math thing. I give them the benefit of the doubt on the judgement calls, but 6 is more than 5, faces don't start spontaneously bleeding.

It's frustrating that important games can't be consistent. Teams do dumb poo poo and the refs let it go until it's completely out of hand, then completely crack down to the point where it feels like acting inconvenienced by a tap or tug can win you the game.

I can only imagine. Maybe that's why they seem to completely shut out criticism, it's automatic at this point. Any sentence that starts with "hey rear end in a top hat, " their brain immediately turns into soothing elevator music.

Well, wouldn't you tune out that sentence too? Let's say your boss walks in to your office and instead of saying 'hey I have some constructive criticism, you need to adjust your <thing you do> so that you can <meet job requirement> better' says 'hey fuckup you're a retard and I hate you, suck less'. Which of those is likely to be listened to?

The thing to remember is that the officials call the game to a standard chosen by the nhlpa and gms at the start of each season. They get direction like "don't call so much stickwork - it stifles the flow of the game", so they don't, and then people like you who think that the rule book is a magic black and white tool that gets applied perfectly in realtime every time lose their minds.

E: imagine further that a random bystander walks into your place of work and says the second version. I'm sure you'd listen respectfully and change your behaviour right?

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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glynnenstein posted:

Reffing is really, really hard to do well at the speed the NHL game happens. Next time you're at a game anywhere near the glass, stop and imagine that you have to see the whole ice all at the same time. It's not so hard to see a lot of what's going on from up high and you see everything on TV, but it's impossible on the ice and it's why refs miss things and the fact that they don't miss more is astonishing. I've reffed kids and beer league stuff and it's not hard to see what's going on because it's slow, but even then you still miss poo poo and everyone will ruthlessly let you know.

Fist bump fellow referee

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Mind_Taker posted:

Do not referee children's sports. I've had my life threatened on more than one occasion while doing so.

If you feel like you must be a referee then referee adult rec leagues. They are far easier to deal with than rabid parents.

Honestly most of the time it's fine. There's often one parent on every team that doesn't have any self restraint if something happens to their future NHL star tho. I only had one game this year where I had to threaten the coach with halting the game unless he had a parent removed.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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glynnenstein posted:

Yeah, but that's not a ref performance thing, that's a standard of officiating that comes from On High.

It's also just a straight up "It's really hard to see in real time things that look obvious in slow mo" and until and unless the league does away with on-ice officials it's not gonna change.

Aphrodite posted:

We're not looking at a situation where like John Scott is still a top 1000 hockey player in the world or something. Referees are not finely filtered into the NHL like players are. There's a lot of cronyism involved..

At least where I have been involved in it it's very much a performance thing. The reason this doesn't always work is because otherwise great officials say gently caress it when they repeatedly get screamed at by adults, and so you're left with the ones who are most skilled of the subset willing to shrug off abuse, not just 'most skilled'

Sure like any job networking can help but you sure as poo poo don't get to doing junior+ hockey games without having a high level of skill.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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For anyone that is interested in ref stats, see this site: http://scoutingtherefs.com/2017/04/18540/tonights-nhl-referees-linesmen-4217/

Tim peel has one of the league's lowest PIMs per game but one of the highest goals per game.

I used to ref with Garrett Rank and Devorski's son from time to time.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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The NHL is so

loving

Stupid

In other news AUSTON MATTHEWS AHHHHHH

Also the leafs won in a nice dominant performance to make up for the previous bizarro win

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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So there's some hockey happening tonight

It would be nifty if the leafs could squeak one out against prob the best team this year but they've got mcelhole in so whatever

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Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Yeah good luck to the NHL trying to fine all the teams whatever amount of money over players leaving. Bettman is such a oval office

E: also it appears I was too hard on mcelhinney, he's doing pretty good

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Kalenn Istarion
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Powershift posted:

That's still not settled. At this point in time, they could be in 2nd, facing tampa bay in 3rd, with ottawa in WC2 facing washington, and toronto fans on suicide watch.

Toronto fans are for once not going to be too hard on the team, I think, because if this is our first year back from a rebuild we have good things to come.

Habibi posted:

N: hey, an update on Thronton and Couture, let's see how things ar-


V: :cry:

Hey maybe players should wear full face protection?


Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh, why would you protect your $50m investments with a $200 piece of plastic?

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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ElwoodCuse posted:

Isn't full face protection, by rule, only for guys with an injury and they have to get rid of it when they are better

I know

And it's loving stupid

But whatever facial maiming is just part of the job boys

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Kilza posted:

Don't worry, Toronto will win on Thursday against Tampa to both clinch a playoff spot and crush the Bolts' super slim hopes of making it.

Don't jinx it you rear end

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Time for Leafs fans to go into full on panic mode

E: also lol, I appear to have popped my probation cherry after 5 years for a lovely name joke

What is rivals.com?

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Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Hey I ate a probate for that and he only gets a spanking? The injustice!


Rabble rabble rabble

On topic: I love how Babs description of the game and how to improve was "we sucked and to win we need to suck less"

I feel like "hockey interviews" or "sports interviews" should be a meme

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Jamwad Hilder posted:

Actually, im calm right now. Ive become buddhist recently and i will not have a meltdown if the leafs blow the season on the last day. I dont even really like hockey. Too busy getting laid and hanging out with my friends.

EVERYTHING IS FINE

E: watching LFR10 last night was painful

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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yellowcar posted:

But the best ones are the ones where he loses his goddamn mind. The last one was glorious.


I stand corrected.

I didn't say it was bad as entertainment, but he was basically right about everything and that hurt my feels

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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DuhSal posted:

I guess I was wrong, some Leafs fans here do care about making the playoffs this year. I'm still of the mind it's fine if they don't but I might be in the minority apparently. I think they win tonight though.

I would be ok if they didn't make it but it would be a bit disappointing given how close they are

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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bunnyofdoom posted:

Sens have clinched 2nd place in the Atlantic. Now we can tank against the Isles to knock off the leafs tommorow.

Pls don't

Hoping leafs can get their poo poo together tonight against a 'weak' pens roster so it doesn't matter.

Babs said the team's in good shape because they had a lovely morning skate and they had a good morning skate before getting destroyed by the lightning so the karma balances out.

:negative:

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Chad Sexington posted:

Aw come on, he was making a joke.

In other news, if the Capitals play like this in the playoffs I will be very excited.

https://twitter.com/Capitals/status/850818933879951361

So was I Mr. Sexington

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Let me be the first to say gently caress NHL officiating. The penguins player jumped into Andersen's head, who has to leave the game, and he gets a loving 2 for it?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Aphrodite posted:

Yesssss, give in to the Dark Side.

I'm completely unbiased about this too

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Ahhhh leafs win

I think I will like tonight's LFR10 more than the previous one :v:

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Koopa Kid posted:

Andersen passed concussion protocol but won't play today, meaning it's McElhinney on back to back nights baby!






Hello, Washington Capitals.



:negative:

DuhSal posted:

I think I'm more confident with a pumped up McBackup tonight than a possibly groggy Andersen, so it might be ok.

Comedy Scenario 2: McElhinney is tired and Sparks starts :v:

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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CBJSprague24 posted:

Toronto/Ottawa and Boston/Washington sound like intriguing series. Therefore, I will sacrifice the CBJ's last chance at a 50-win season to make it so.

...because they probably aren't going to win anyway.

e- Or a three point game and CBJ get 50 anyway. I'll take that. Toronto only needs one point to move to 3rd, right?

Yeah we just need one point to be in third

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Aphrodite posted:

Taking bets on which Ranger Sestito takes out.

As long as he's equal opportunity in his headshotting

I'm pretty disappointed that DPS shrugged at that one

Mind_Taker posted:

Looks like it'll be BOS vs. WSH and TOR vs. OTT unless Columbus score 3 unanswered in regulation.

:colbert:

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Kilza posted:

https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/851250763074424832

So how do you think Don Cherry would have reacted if that had actually gone in?

Jesus Christ he's fast

toe knee hand posted:

most of those really suck honestly, no historical or regional rivalries.

Toronto apparently went 14-5-1 to make playoffs so maybe they won't get completely destroyed by Washington?


I hope they continue to inject a sense of humour into the league

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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flakeloaf posted:

Joe Juneau might be available because the team he's running for at risk Innu kids is getting shut down for not preventing enough crime.

That story is sad as hell, although him making $200k for what amounts to running a minor hockey program raised my eyebrow a bit

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Stretch Marx posted:

Since the moon is its ear, it should be spinning in place.

I need this, and I'm a leafs fan

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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abuse culture. posted:

Yeah and our internet access is totally NOT third world level....in opposite land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was true even a year or two ago but it's gotten a lot better. I now have 150mbps service for like $60 a month from Shaw, and an HD cable package with the shaw gateway for like $30 a month including hd sportsnet, tsn and so on. It's still worse than the US but not nearly as much worse as it used to be.

Cell packages are still rear end, although coverage is getting pretty good, even in our extensive wilderness areas.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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xzzy posted:

Yes, and goons are the best coaches too. And referees.

Definitely the last part

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Pornographic Memory posted:

Luckily for Bobrovsky the Vezina votes are already in though. Also it's pretty funny that Torts is going to win the Jack Adams for the radical stratagem of having his goalie stop a lot of pucks while having Aaron Portzline write an endless supply of puff pieces about what a nice guy he's become.

Tort's not going to win, everyone knows he's a mediocre coach at best who has lucked out with some talented teams.

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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iospace posted:

NOW ACCEPTING TITLES FOR THE NEW LOSERS, QUOTE THIS WITH IDEAS

Hi, Loser thread

So, what do the Leafs need most in the offseason? Offensive depth? I kind of don't want them to trade almost anyone they have other than to upgrade Matt Martin to almost literally anyone else

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Xtanstic posted:

Buzz I saw on hockey twitter seems to be that they're 1 top D and a solid goaltender away from being legit cup contenders. Dellow suggested throwing gobs of money at Shattenkirk or trading a bunch of draft picks for someone like OEL.

Andersen's a solid goaltender tho

Dr Zaius posted:

Leafs had 60+ goals from their top 3 lines, offensive depth wasn't exactly a problem. It's D, dummy.

Typo, obviously defense, dummy

In any case, what rfa d-men are around in the off-season? Is anyone good likely to be exposed to LV?

Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Who is OEL?

Shatty's the only elite d-man on ufa this year, so he'll be expensive. None of the rfas are particularly exciting either.

Kalenn Istarion
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hifi posted:

mike stone was apparently good in calgary so there's another top 4 guy you can want on your team to sign. 36 points last year and then he tore his acl

Blown acls are a death cry for hockey players

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Kalenn Istarion
Nov 2, 2012

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Hand Knit posted:

The Leafs' season ended much as it progressed: blowing a lead in the third then losing in overtime.


The biggest thing they need are players who can fill the Polak-Hunwick role without actively being bad. There was like a 20 game stretch this year where that actually was Polak but I wouldn't count on him doing that again. After that it's mostly minor stuff. To my mind it's:

(1) Either sign Zaitsev for replace him in the top 4.
(2) See if you can't trade Bozak and then sign someone better for less money to be the 3C.
(3) Try to upgrade on Zack Hyman for the third spot on the Matthews-Nylander line.
(4) Probably find a new 4C to replace whichever of Martin and Boyle get taken by Vegas. Maybe this is the Goat.
(5) Sign a backup goaltender.

The only one of those that I think can really improve the team is if they hit a home run with a Zaitsev replacement (unlikely) or a Bozak one (more likely). Otherwise the team should continue to get better through improvement from the rookies, and I think a top 4 of Gardiner/Rielly/Carrick/Zaitsev is enough to compete.

What are the odds they just keep McElhinney? He's UFA but was a very solid backup and I could see a guy like that wanting to hang around a team like Toronto.

I'm not sure I see Carrick as a top 4 D. At least in the games I watched he kept getting beat to the outside and he's small for a d-man. Given how they did I'd love to see the leafs actually pay up a bit for an elite d, but I wouldn't like it so much if they had to trade any of their more valuable forwards. They have $15m of cap room and several more years before the kids will start eating into that.

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