JeffersonClay posted:

lol the post I quoted said it happened a long time ago and it wasn't noteworthy given the social mores of the time. That's the archetypal defense of slavery.

rudatron posted:

Slavery had already been outlawed by other countries by the time of the civil war, and abolition as a movement had already existed for a while, and gained traction. Its not a valid comparison.

VitalSigns posted:

is it okay if the African American slaves have ""low emotional intelligence""

Brainiac Five posted:

So in other words, internment was justifiable and excusable. Wow, I am sure WampaLord will apologize and admit he was wrong any second now.

VitalSigns posted:

So is slavery bad.

Or is it okay if the African American slaves have ""low emotional intelligence"" according to a nondoctor who read a book and diagnosed the people polishing her silver.

Futuresight posted:

Internment isn't justifiable. It just reveals different things about the person who did it. And, you might note, though you won't note, that the entire conversation we've been having revolves around what these things say about the people who did them. We're not comparing internment and prison slavery, we're comparing what internment says about FDR to what prison slavery says about Hillary.

And also how the way you defend someone says a lot about you. Like saying FDR was good overall in spite of internment doesn't tar you with his position on interment, but defending Hillary's view on prison slavery does tar you with her position on prison slavery.

rudatron posted:

Abe Lincoln didn't have views of black people that we would call acceptable today, but we can still acknowledge him as a good role model, for the context of the society he was in. Same with FDR.

But you can't say that about Hillary, at all.

JeffersonClay posted:

Nobody suggested they did. Hillary suggests murderers have low emotional intelligence, which is supported by a massive amount of peer-reviewed research.

VitalSigns posted:

You forgot to answer whether slavery is okay

WampaLord posted:

This whole thing over the past couple pages is an excellent example of centrists using dumb bullshit to distract from the real problems we face.

Nosfereefer posted:

braniac five has often been observed "jacking it" to old footage from auschwitz

Nosfereefer posted:

In both the cases of India and the US, a peaceful resolution was made possible by the long standing traditions of rule by law. The western philosophy of the right of the individual, as a fundamental part of both law and morality, has enabled movements such as King's or Gandhi's to reach resolutions vis-a-vis the central governments without resorting to violence. The Oriental Mind, however, knows not of such concepts, where the only respected authority is borne through violence. Their collectivist societies can thus only achieve changes due to outside military pressure (see: the Mongol Invasion, western influence in the 19th century).

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stone cold posted:

Futuresight posted:

Internment isn't justifiable. It just reveals different things about the person who did it. And, you might note, though you won't note, that the entire conversation we've been having revolves around what these things say about the people who did them. We're not comparing internment and prison slavery, we're comparing what internment says about FDR to what prison slavery says about Hillary.

And also how the way you defend someone says a lot about you. Like saying FDR was good overall in spite of internment doesn't tar you with his position on interment, but defending Hillary's view on prison slavery does tar you with her position on prison slavery.

VitalSigns posted:

You forgot to answer whether slavery is okay

stone cold posted:

Nosfereefer posted:

It is hilarious that you brought this up, s if you read that very thread one more page, you would see I was joking. Why are you tying so hard to helldump people?

WampaLord posted:

This whole thing over the past couple pages is an excellent example of centrists using dumb bullshit to distract from the real problems we face.

Nosfereefer posted:

It is hilarious that you brought this up, s if you read that very thread one more page, you would see I was joking. Why are you tying so hard to helldump people?

JeffersonClay posted:

Chattel slavery is worse than Japanese internment slavery, which is worse than prison slavery, which is worse than wage slavery.

Nosfereefer posted:

It is hilarious that you brought this up, s if you read that very thread one more page, you would see I was joking. Why are you tying so hard to helldump people?

RedSpider posted:

Obamacare is better than single-payer.

-2020 DNC platform.

Brainiac Five posted:

It certainly seems really believable given all your disgusting posts in this thread that you were joking when you made another disgusting post.

Brainiac Five posted:

So have you shot up your local Democratic Party office yet or is your attempt to purge the centrists limited to making posts on the Internet

WampaLord posted:

Because if they can scream "I found someone saying something racist!" enough, it'll distract from centrism being an empty shell of an ideology. It's transparently obvious.

Brainiac Five posted:

So have you shot up your local Democratic Party office yet or is your attempt to purge the centrists limited to making posts on the Internet

stone cold posted:

nobody cares what you think, pal

hey here's a thought: maybe we can be leftist and espouse leftist and progressive policy ideals like ubi or gmi, indexing minimum wages to inflation or median wages, justice and penal system reform, single payer, etc. AND not be racist


whoooooaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

JeffersonClay posted:

So racism is OK if you like the person's politics, but it's a cudgel to use against those you don't like. Weren't you ranting about social justice as a conspiracy against the white poor a few pages back, and suggesting liberals who oppose racism are only motivated by white guilt?

Nosfereefer posted:

whatever makes you sleep at night, you loving ghoul

Brainiac Five posted:

What makes me sleep at night is the thought of forcing Bernie voters to take pop quizzes on Fanon and giving them electric shocks when they give the wrong answer. Well, one of the things that does.

JeffersonClay posted:

Slavery is bad. A more nuanced take:
Chattel slavery is worse than Japanese internment slavery, which is worse than prison slavery, which is worse than wage slavery.

WampaLord posted:

Holy gently caress B5, jumping to poo poo like this over a non-offensive jokey post is what gets you probated.


Why bother trying to "call out" every unpure poster you see? What does it gain you?

WampaLord posted:

Holy gently caress B5, jumping to poo poo like this over a non-offensive jokey post is what gets you probated.


Why bother trying to "call out" every unpure poster you see? What does it gain you?

Owning 4-6 people on the SA forums isn't going to make the country less racist.

Brainiac Five posted:

What makes me sleep at night is the thought of forcing Bernie voters to take pop quizzes on Fanon and giving them electric shocks when they give the wrong answer. Well, one of the things that does.

stone cold posted:

hey here's a thought: maybe we can be leftist and espouse leftist and progressive policy ideals like ubi or gmi, indexing minimum wages to inflation or median wages, justice and penal system reform, single payer, etc. AND not be racist

stone cold posted:

it doesn't "gain" me anything; it simply informs everybody that that person is a bigot

if you can't see anything worthwhile in that, then sorry that you suck

stone cold posted:

like, are you gonna also tell me that punching nazis is bad and we should debate them instead

RedSpider posted:

This is what a bitter Abuela supporter looks like.

stone cold posted:

it doesn't "gain" me anything; it simply informs everybody that that person is a bigot

if you can't see anything worthwhile in that, then sorry that you suck

like, are you gonna also tell me that punching nazis is bad and we should debate them instead

NewForumSoftware posted:

So you mean be Bernie?

VitalSigns posted:

Agreed.

And in none of these cases does the enslaved's "emotional intelligence" justify enslaving them, even if the American justice system were a perfect barometer of such a thing and free of racial bias, which it demonstrable isn't. Yes?

WampaLord posted:

Well, for example, I think everyone knows that Call Me Charlie voted for Trump now, you can probably stop announcing it every time he posts.


No, but that's a non-sequiter, unless you plan on punching bad SA posters.

RedSpider posted:

Look at this guy supporting violence against congressmen and public officials.