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Fulchrum posted:No, to do that, we need to somehow figure out a way to stop this constant outpouring of "Democrats hate you, they don't care about you, they're just as bad as Republicans" that some chucklefucks keep putting out, that seems untethered to reality in any way. Like, if we could figure out a way to stop people actively searching for reasons to oppose the Dems and swear to never participate until they're all gone. Like every reactionary in history, you assume that the unrest is being caused by some sinister external force. If people don't think the democrats care about them, a good way to fix that would be to actually get stuff done that helps people rather than rooting out the people who are sowing dissent. Unfortunately you're stuck in this mindset that real change is impossible, or perhaps for you it's even undesirable.
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WampaLord posted:
John McCain's brain tumor has made us all hopeful for the future, but the democrats are still going to be democrats.
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Jul 24, 2017 06:08
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Yes! The platform should be socialism, not welfare liberalism! gently caress off with this bullshit. Nobody believes that you actually give a poo poo about socialism because you only ever bring it up to argue for why we shouldn't be doing something to help people.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:47
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JeffersonClay posted:This but for paid family leave, maternity and childcare, Medicare buy in at 55 and a 12.50 minimum wage. WJ argues that we should forget doing UHC in favor of doing other stuff not at all related to health. Socialists, on the other hand, criticize Hillary's a medicare buy-in and a $12.50 min wage for not going far enough but would still support those things happening as an improvement, which is why most of us voted for Hillary.
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Jul 24, 2017 18:16
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Communist Zombie posted:Wasnt the democratic platform/plan for the midterms supposed to drop today, what happened with that? They're apparently not discussing the actual details until "later." https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...m=.f14db9965e3a quote:Democrats’ proposals are designed to appeal to middle-class workers — ways to lower prescription drug prices and provide more federal funding for apprenticeships and job training, and more aggressive monitoring of proposed corporate mergers — all poll-tested ideas that they think will win back voters who supported Trump last year.
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Jul 25, 2017 02:19
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WampaLord posted:They voted against the motion to proceed You're reverting to your old ways. You'll soon forget any lessons you learned from this election.
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Jul 25, 2017 22:16
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Now that I know that merely mentioning the fact that Hillary owned slaves turns idiot libs like yronic heroism into quivering balls of rage, I definitely won't talk about it again.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:51
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call to action posted:Yeah and they don't do poo poo. The UFCW, for example, is heavily women/PoC but doesn't really do a loving thing for their members, unlike the highly white Teamsters or Ironworkers unions. I don't have the demographics for the entire nation, but the APWU here in Seattle is majority PoC and it does plenty for me and my coworkers.
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Jul 26, 2017 18:28
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call to action posted:That's super interesting that most of the carriers and sorting personnel in your area are majority PoC in Seattle, though, considering the demographics of that area. Any idea why that might be? Not everyone knows to apply, I guess. Most of our applicants are immigrants from China, Vietnam, and the Philippines.
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Jul 26, 2017 18:34
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Peachfart posted:Okay, lets start with this guy: Wow you really got him  quote:"The Democratic caucus will not participate in the Republicans' sham process. No amendment will get a vote until we see the final legislation and know what bill we are amending," Josh Miller-Lewis, a spokesperson for Sanders, said in a text sent to Vox.
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Jul 27, 2017 06:25
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Peachfart posted:Considering I was quoting a guy that said we should start primaring Democrats that didn't vote for the troll single payer bill... Primarying ones who voted against it, which Bernie did not say he was going to do. You're not even correct by "idiot pedant trying to score points by being technically right" measures. You suck.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:at the end of the day, single payer and a public option are a lot closer together than either is to a NHS Maybe if you're some six-figure gently caress these differences don't matter. You consistently choose to compromise in the worst way possible. You're a bad supposed socialist. You suck.
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Jul 28, 2017 06:03
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Also lol at "I voted for Hillary because black people wanted her." Like you used the magic of polling to peer into the black soul and nodded in agreement.
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Jul 28, 2017 06:07
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:did they not? They don't meld minds and decree a single position for all black people. You looked at data from the primaries and were like "oh black people love Hillary" when the reality isn't that cut and dry.
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yronic heroism posted:Oolala a tone argument. Can you write at least one post that isn't garbage, please?
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Jul 31, 2017 22:58
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Nevvy Z posted:I agree with everything except this, in that it is even unknown what she did, other then be AG at the time. A non ideal thing happened while she was AG, and the state went to court about it and lost. That's the extent of her factual involvement. If she wasn't actually involved then she should have no trouble explaining that to her critics.
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Sneakster posted:a feminization of political power is a shift to a matriarchal/nurturing power structure. What does a matriarchal/nurturing power structure look like?
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Sneakster posted:You can discern virtually everything you need to know about someone by their views on single mothers and how society should treat them. Okay, so what would a matriarchal/nurturing power structure look like? I'm just curious as to what exactly you mean.
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I'll add that I'm curious because I'm skeptical of the notion that women in power will value their empathy for other women over their class interests when push comes to shove.
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Sneakster posted:I don't mean in a specific academic way, and my point about the welfare of single mothers essentially encapsulates any extrapolations. And yet this isn't what we see happen here in reality as more women come into positions of power.
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Sneakster posted:I consider Clinton more emblematic of capitalists and sociopaths than women or feminism. Well yes, those are the sorts of people that are ushered into power whether they're women or not.
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Aug 2, 2017 00:25
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Sneakster posted:Rather than accept superficial tools of capitalist propaganda, what is it that women, and women of color, support? Who is it that was most slandered by liberal capital capitalist propaganda as not being in the interests of the people who support him the most and have the most to gain materially under the policies of? Are you talking about Bernie? How is this a response to what I wrote?
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Aug 2, 2017 00:29
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JailTrump posted:Hey here's an idea...how about you not do something that's illegal instead of bitching about it all the time? Now let's hear your wife's idiot takes on this while we're at it.
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Aug 3, 2017 17:30
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Fados posted:I agree with the general tone of your post although I wouldn't use it as an argument against weed legalization, alcohol has a lot of the same problems and it's not like prohibition worked any good. But I think the state shouldn't support drug consuptiom of any kind and that legalization should be supported by funding to addiction support and prevention. Lol yes so all those weed addicts can finally get the treatment they need.
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Jimmy Reefercake actually did vote for Hillary in the end, though.
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Majorian posted:That's not what he's said. He claimed to have voted for Johnson when he called into Majority Report. Maybe he changed his story recently (I haven't listened in quite a few months) but he said he voted for Hillary on election day pretty sure.
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Fados posted:Weed is a drug and drugs are addictive. I'm addicted to these stool softeners, man. I just can't stop taking them.
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call to action posted:It's not that uncommon at all. Schools, police, telecom, etc. all have two-tier employee structures that consistently gently caress over non-union workers, while making it impossible to join the union side. Maybe it is a problem but I've literally never heard this complaint before you brought it up.
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Call Me Charlie posted:That's basically how [major corporation] worked with my dad's union regarding his job position. Guys working outside were union guys. So you'd have a bunch of greybeards digging holes and replacing cables for good wages/benefits. Guys working inside were non-union guys. So you'd have a bunch of young guys doing inside installation/troubleshooting for non-union wages. (I honestly can't remember what they make so I don't want to put a number on it) Huh, I had no idea. My only experience with unions is public sector ones (teachers and postal workers) where getting into the union is extremely easy.
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Sneakster posted:Support and apologetic for candidates preventing UHC is an act of violence that in aggregate spills far more blood than punching Steven Crowder or Richard Spencer. Thankfully the white bourgeois have absolved themselves of their own crimes and now project their guilt and talk for their victims like a corpse marionette. Lol, that was so wonderful if you've ever had to listen to that rear end in a top hat's "comedy." Jizz Festival fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Aug 5, 2017 06:38
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:the moral choice is to precommit yourself to voting for the democrat should the 2020 elections be held, and then working to bring about events such that they aren't because the revolution happened beforehand Yeah precommit to the people who are going to lead the counterrevolution, great idea idiot.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:the entire federal government is going to lead the counterrevolution And the mask slips yet again as you advocate moronic 11th dimensional chess strategies like the stupid liberal you are.
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Crowsbeak posted:Time for some Purges. Starting with the questionable trad cath allies.
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Crowsbeak posted:LOL, yes I am the bad guy.I am the one rooting for Hillary and her slaves, for Kamalha and her defence of police acting like thieves, for Corey and his prostituting himself for wall street, for Zuck and his reptilian brotherhood. I am the one who just agreed to put people in power who would destroy voting rights. Why wouldn't you root for Hillary's slaves? The gently caress is wrong with you?
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Also I'm just ribbing you. Although I do think your religious beliefs are seriously stupid and I never want your kind anywhere near power.
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Accretionist posted:We could even use bipartisan talking points like, "Everyone's covered. Everyone gets more-for-less. You keep your doctor. And if you can afford more, you can have more." Have more what? More fun surgeries?
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Lightning Knight posted:The common refrain is that "Bernie's message resonates with blue collar Midwesterners," and while I sort of agree with that, at a certain point if the new American left is successful they'll have to transition from being the anti-establishment outsiders to the people who actually run things and at that point you have to grapple with the deep, fundamental mistrust of institutions that many Americans presently feel, for varying reasons of varying justification. Single-payer universal healthcare is fundamentally a massive expansion of government power and oversight of the economy and you can't really gloss over that, we saw this with how Obamacare was perceived. People were suspicious of obamacare because it wasn't clear how much things were going to cost them. Few people gave a poo poo about government power over the economy.
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Ytlaya posted:The most feasible alternative to capitalism is something like market socialism, which you should look up (because you strike me as the type of person who is probably really ignorant about this stuff and thinks socialism necessarily entails there being no market and all businesses being government-owned). Market socialists suck rear end, sorry to have to be the one to break that to you.
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