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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Pretty impressed that they made some goofy looking guy wearing a Burger King crown and a pink speedo under a tacky perv robe seem legitimately unsettling.

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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Presumably the MC would react that way because he's been shafted for sticking his neck out before. So the response could be "Let's see what happens when you've got the power to enforce your will without fear."

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Hi this LP and the one of Persona 3 are my first exposure to series in any detail, so question: are these things basically chatty Stands? Is that the idea?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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MythosDragon posted:

I dont know if theres a tropey name, but Power Avatars are a relatively common power system. Its also more common(and factually better) for them to have their own personality and be sentient to a degree.

I'm not criticizing the concept here, just curious if that's what's going on. Agreed that chatty is better tbh.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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holy poo poo

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holy poo poo

This game is incredible, I feel like I need to wait for it to come out on PC. Should I?

edit: :negative:
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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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mauman posted:

I specifically bought a PS4 for this game.

Suck it up and pay the piper......

Easier said than done I know :negative:

Eh, that's fair, but I only asked because I heard a rumor it was getting ported. If not, that's how it goes.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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MythosDragon posted:

You forgot the shonen stable of,

Probably because it hasn't come up in the LP, buddy.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Count Bleck posted:

I mean to be fair his crew that he adored was a bunch of shitheels who stole things under his nose so he was branded a pirate, unaware of anything until he got back to New York.

"Your name's already ruined, so why not hoist the flag and wreck some havoc?"

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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orenronen posted:

I am a also a quasiprofessional who occasionally hangs out with professionals. I played the entire game in Japanese when it came out last year (and read all the text too!). Is this translation readable? Sure. Is it good? I wouldn't say so. It has good parts -- Ryuji is consistently great, for example, as is - as has been pointed out - most of Kamoshida's dialogue in this update. But taken as a whole the Japanese prose is consistently so much better that it sometimes hurts me to read what they turned it into. You wouldn't know this without comparing both, of course.

Even if we take all the actual translation errors and the lines that were obviously written by a (likely Japanese) non-native English speaker that should have been found in editing (some of them are right there in the first five minutes of the game!), we're left with an average approximation of the original, and average shouldn't be good enough.

If you felt like putting effort into it, I'd be really interested in like post-update recaps of where you think the translation falls short.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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GeneX posted:

We can see a bit of that here, where her theme up to this point is "I'm basically only thought of as a sex object, that sucks" and then the game puts her in a catwoman fetish outfit, complete with zippers, all the while talking about how Kamoshida is gross for what he's trying to do to Ann as represented by a vapid version of her in a bikini

I can see this but I think there's a way it works. Her struggle so far is that a man in a position of power over her has been trying to control her and use her sexually. Her Persona is based on a character who controlled men with her sexuality. The theme here is a reversal of a power dynamic. So I mean, if that concept is a problem, it's a problem, but her outfit works with it. It's basically a standing taunt combined with her destroying the plaything fantasy version of herself that Kamoshida imagined.

eta: Also what Clarste said.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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GeneX posted:

Oh, it's not unjustified in the story. That doesn't change the fact that the game just said "Kamoshida is wrong for sexualizing Ann"

I'm honestly not really sure this is the most complete way of describing the situation.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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It is starting to feel as if we will assemble the entire group of possible party members on repeated raids of Kamoshida's palace before ever taking him down.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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PMush Perfect posted:

Just the head, too, an almost impotent version of a powerful, famous-slash-infamous SMT demon. Up to you what you read into that.

It's just the tip of the iceberg?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Arist posted:

I don't know why I'm even asking this, but I might as well: I recorded two takes of the next boss fight. Do you guys want to see the one where I gently caress up and almost die or the one where I do a good job because I'm a cool guy?

Yes.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Speaking of stuff from the early game: In the intro sequence, Joker was moving around what looked like (and was treated like?) a normal-rear end casino. But there were shadows in it, and he was captured by the police in his supposedly palace-manifested costume. Does this mean that the lines between real world and metaverse are going to blur at some point?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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I thought Morgana basically said that this rips out a person's ability to desire to the point that they could end up in a coma.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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I think the distinction is that while authority seems to "corrupt" everyone to a certain degree, but specifically when it comes to people who challenge authority, not everyone abuses authority.

Wonder if there are any people who resent the fact that Kamoshida resigned in disgrace. It seemed to me like there were a number of people, including students, who knew but still wanted to keep him around for the sake of prestige and their academic careers. Maybe the sexual harassment angle changes things.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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I'm not sure they actually do know how to use it, though. It kinda activated by accident to get them to Kamoshida's palace.

Still not clear how Morgana did it. Or how Morgana knows anything...

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Blademaster_Aio posted:

I think "all of a sudden" is in quotes because Sae's basically labelling it.

You know, she doesn't believe it, and things that happen all of a sudden without any reason are pretty wierd, so she's just putting quotes around them.

From how I see it she's saying: People say it happened "all of a sudden" but that's just inconceivable. There must be an explanation.

Yeah, I took it as sarcasm because she's connecting Kamoshida's change of heart with the out-of-the-blue mental breakdowns that led to things like the train crash.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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He explicitly said he rescinded his recommendation of expulsion for them.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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GeneX posted:

Sojiro is great,

Sojiro knows the truth behind Maaku's "crime," that he saved some lady from getting raped, and is still like "That's what you get for bothering adults, kiddo." So imo he's still got a ways to go before he redeems himself.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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GhostStalker posted:

Isn't that a Japanese social/cultural thing though? "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down" and all that.

Kinda seems like this is exactly the kind of thing the game itself is criticizing?

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And he did kinda take you in when your parents all but abandoned you after you got put on probation, so that 's a thing too.

Sure, but then we have the "parents abandoned you" thing.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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So what's up with Madarame's shadow get-up? Is that what shoguns wore?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Did they also wear makeup and stuff?

Guess I am curious about the extent to which his outfit resembles a shogun's with the same fidelity that Kamoshida's shadow applied to dressing like a king.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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CommaToes posted:

what is it supposed to say?

Seems like they could have gone with "They're weak and stupid."

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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I don't have the benefit of hindsight but as someone just following along I think it's doing all right. The over-arching plot is kind of a lurking background threat the becomes clearer with each palace hit. The main issue I have is that the goal of "becoming famous and respected" has slipped into the main characters' agenda of "use powers for good" and I didn't notice how it got there or why. Maybe I just forgot a bunch of really obvious stuff. :v:

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Is there anything preventing a person from entering their own Palace? I don't think it's ever been tried before. But on the other hand, entering the metaverse or whatever tends to preserve relative locations, so she should have appeared nearby to the others...?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Arist posted:

But it’s true that an observant criminal could have a true to reality city in their Palace. ...Although even if such a place did exist, it’s not like we’d have any use for it.

I feel like something that confused me about the opening of the game suddenly just clicked.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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amigolupus posted:

But the fact that going through the dungeon means he's seen what Futaba's going through and heard how people are awful to her, and how none of the team have reacted in a similar manner makes Ryuji being an rear end in a top hat here stand out more. It's also weirdly inconsistent because he dropped a "gently caress!" when he heard how people were awful to Futaba to show that he cared about her problems.

If he cares that much about how she's mistreated, then it must be frustrating to constantly get physically attacked or otherwise hosed with by the person he wants to help. The fact that he can distinguish between the shadow version and the real person probably contributes to this.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Kind of jarring to see an anime do something with Christianity that's not... uh some bizarro appropriation of symbols without any rhyme or reason. That's actually legit dealing with Christian beliefs.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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If they needed Futaba out of action they could just have had her deep in her hacking for however long and unavailable due to matrix battle.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Millennials Are Killing The Chess Idol Industry

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Kal-L posted:

I really hope that the intent in the original was that the guy was taking money from the fund, because if not it makes Ohya a pretty lovely person.

How dare he support those fleeing from war and poverty! Using secret funds taken from my taxes! MJGA!

I read it as "set up a fund to help refugees but was actually just buying coke and hookers with it."

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Stroth posted:

Yeah. A slush fund, by definition, is someone's off the record piggy bank.

It's an awkward phrase though because it also can be read as "an illicit account where he collected embezzled funds in order to help refugees" which is uh.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Especially if it's a bunch of adults making these scenes for the purpose of titillating teenagers.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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Gruckles posted:

The trendiest window cling and bumper sticker in Tokyo.



:perfect:

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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The funniest part is the assumption that the capital must be in the middle of the country.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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resurgam40 posted:

Oh dear, did I worry people again? I didn't really mean that to be taken wholly seriously; I'm personally doing quite well, and am much happier and healthier than I was, say, a year previous. Things like that whole spiel just sort of happen on days when I'm the only one at work, am extremely bored, and In A Mood. Good thing this thread isn't about Monster Hunter World, or I'd be yelling about the game being a celebration of colonialism and the promotion of trophy hunting, and how if I want to play a game about savaging a beautiful critter just minding his own business and wear its guts for garters, I should at least be made to feel a little bad about it, as in Shadow of the Colossus.

...Not for nothing did I get my av, is what I'm saying.

:thunk:

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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GeneX posted:

Please stop posting

Don't listen to this coward, keep going you're doing great!!

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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

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gmq posted:

gmq: Attempt #1

Makoto, because of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zix7UBJOHtM

This is a really powerful argument.

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