Shadow225 posted:

I know a lot of people have bounced off MM17 draft, either voluntarily or not, but I'm curious what BR is supposed to do as a color group. The theme seems to be sacrifice, but the payoffs just don't seem good. The only token enabler I remember is Dragon Fodder, the payoff is Mortician Beetle, and the sac outlets don't seem to affect the board like even a simple Penumbra Spider. I've only drafted it 3 times, but I have never seen anyone force it successfully, even when it seems open.

Walked posted:

I've played a bunch of MTGO drafts now; and my biggest complaint is that the time allotment seems insufficient for this set. I've won several matches to time (and lost once), whereas I've never run into clock issues in other formats before.

Tales of Woe posted:

Playing 15 land and relying on cycling to hit your land drops is a stupid trap of a strategy in this format and will get you killed vs a lot of decks.

Rides Naked posted:

Since it hasn't really come up yet, TDSL has been interesting. It feels like the old timers have been getting wrecked which might be attributable to
1) They just don't draft AKH too much
2) The new world order fairly ruined draft strategies that aimed to leave your opponents only with cards that replace colors on permanents or w/e

Probably a large part the former, but it feels like the latter has some kind of effect. Not a huge deal, but kinda funny given all the talk of how team drafting so thoroughly changes the strategy of drafting etc.

AceClown posted:

That Cruise/Full control toggle is going to add a new layer to the game, let's say you had it on cruise control and auto pass for a couple of turns then suddenly activate full control of priority passes, that's going to give away so much info.

Can also be used to bluff with I guess. I'd just imagine most people who know what they're doing will just leave full control on.

Tainen posted:

meanolmrcloud posted:

This limited feels so on rails. I look at every p1p1 with a sense of dread because chances are, it’s a tribal card and it’s always a roll of the dice if that tribe will be open.

funmanguy posted:

Oh hey, world champs is on twitch. Any favorites?

The Shortest Path posted:

It's been a lot longer than four years. The last Actual Real Control Deck was in like, Time Spiral.

C-Euro posted:

Don't scoop to a combo kill, always make them play it out.

Angry Grimace posted:

Apparently, Opposition with Timely Reinforcements, Blade Splicer and Spectral Procession is annoying to my opponents. Who would have thought?

Also, Tamiyo, Venser, JTMS Glen Elendra Archmage and Frost Titan are also annoying even when you don't have Opposition.

kingcobweb posted:

I maintain that the most unfair vintage cube deck one can play is blue/x featuring cantrips, cheap interactive spells (especially Counterspell/Mana Drain/Remand) and some reasonable creatures powered by a Sword or two

You don’t need to get fancy, just build a needle that can pop your opponent’s balloon

Sickening posted:

The first round of this open is awful.

suicidesteve posted:

FWIW I really can't think of any other decks with the win conditon of making your opponent fall asleep. Old Miracles is the closest I can think of but that was like, plan D and was reliant on already having the best card in your deck in play and putting 3 copies of a garbage enchantment in your deck. Every other prison deck has a way to win the game in a reasonable amount of time before they draw out of it.

It's also really funny to slow roll (NOT slow play) Lantern players so they waste a bunch of time. Remember that you can win a game in 5 minutes and they can't. It's even funnier on MTGO.

sit on my Facebook posted:

Yeah the issue with Lantern is really just the game play it generates is quite bad

Recall that Second Sunrise was banned for much the same reason

Matsuri posted:

You're interacting with your opponent's cards, not your opponent.

Because your opponent can't loving do anything but sigh and pass.

Matsuri posted:

I don't understand how it's hard to understand. Your opponent is the person across from you who wants to play a game with you. Their cards are the means in which they play with you. If they aren't able to even do anything with their cards, they're not getting to play, and you're not interacting with them, because you've made it impossible for them to interact with you beyond telling you that they pass their turn while contemplating how hard they want to punch you in the throat.

GonSmithe posted:

The Akroma dinosaur is so incredibly dumb. Why did it need Indestructible?

GonSmithe posted:

I meant for Limited. There’s enough “Reduce the cost of dinosaur” cards that it can be readily played and it’s unbeatable when it hits the board.

Jedi425 posted:

By which you mean what, the cash / MODO funbux value of the cards in the packs you crack? I'm not good enough to get prizes reliably yet, so that's bad news for me.

Madmarker posted:

Not really feasible when you start throwing in the whole priority system.


Like we are talking multiple passes of priority per phase per step per turn.

Soul Glo posted:

i drafted m25 once last night

shan't be drafting again!!!

it's dumb and bad. every pack that was passed to me felt like it didn't have any good cards. every game went long until someone drew their right piece of bad removal

also i went 0-3 and got about 3 tickets of value

Angry Grimace posted:

Also, Tiana kills a Flametongue Kavu in the story despite the fact she would lose to it's ETB.

Soul Glo posted:

very medium boros deck

lyra dawnbringer

Fish Of Doom posted:

Anyone else think that limited for this set is pretty bad so far? A lot of people at my LGS tonight were talking about how much they disliked it, and after a couple drafts I kind of agree. It feels very Avacyn Restored where ridiculous bombs just rule and there's so little removal, there's not a lot you can do about them, so it comes down to who opened what or who played their unbeatable bomb first. Other than eviscerate, there's like no good common removal. Red gets bad abrade and not Burst Lightning, white gets the 5 mana exile, blue gets the make a creature 0/4, and green gets a two mana Prey Upon. I can't believe there's no Pacifism variant in this set, or even a blue card that taps something down for a turn.

Rivals was way better than this.

Fish Of Doom posted:

Rivals had way better removal at common. Not counting uncommons, Black had Moment of Craving and Impale, white had Devine Verdict and Luminous Bonds, Blue had Waterknot, Red had Bombard, Green had Hunt the Weak.