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Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014


I'd be surprised if the actual quote didn't contain both "uppity" and "bog dwellers".

I like how it goes on to express disappointment for how the EU is siding with a progressive fully-committed member country, instead of bending over backwards to accommodate a bunch of xenophobic twits who want to burn it to the ground.

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Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Moridin920 posted:

lmfao

don't the tories only have a majority because of a coalition with DUP???

They do. They touched the poop.

I grew up in NI in a pretty Unionist family full of DUP voters and they are the most toxic, corrupt, self-serving party in UK politics, and probably the whole of Europe.

Their whole intransigence over the Northern Ireland backstop is entirely self-serving as it appeals to their core electorate despite the overwhelming majority of Northern Ireland voting to remain. They've allowed their party to be a conduit for many foreign regimes who dislike the EU to funnel money into the UK through shady backchannels, in order to fund pro-Brexit propaganda.

They're insisting that the backstop is untenable because it treats Northern Ireland as a slightly different entity from the rest of the UK in terms of trade. But for years they've insisted that Northern Ireland is fundamentally separate from the rest of the UK and shouldn't have to accept shared British values like same-gender marriages or women's rights.

I could post for pages about what a bunch of shitheels they are and how heavily NI's fragile peace agreement is based on both the UK and Ireland remaining in the same political union, but nothing's going to top that Andy Serkis video.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Grape posted:

Yeah. It's tempting to just call the Catholics/Republicans "Irish" and then call the Protestants/Unionists "Ulster Scots" or some such, as like ethnoreligious shorthand, but it's just simply more complicated than that.
Really the whole Unionist mindset is all about remaining on the island of Ireland, while ALSO forever remaining in the United Kingdom. British and Irish is not a contradiction in that stance.
But certainly DUP types are not meaning "Irish" in the same way that folks down in Dublin are meaning it.

Yep, I'm from a Unionist background and have at times referred to myself as British, Irish, Northern Irish interchangeably. But then I've been Unionist not for any nationalistic or ethnic reasons but simply because being part of the UK seemed like a better cultural and economic fit for NI. But now that Brexit is going to destroy us all suddenly a united Ireland isn't looking so bad.

When I was younger and lived in NI I called myself British. When I lived in Scotland I switched to Northern Irish as everyone assumed from my accent that I was Irish. In England I was Irish, as Northern Irish was an an alien concept to most people there.

Travelling abroad I stick to Irish and tend to use my Irish passport, not my British one. People in other countries tend to assume British = English, and I don't want to be tarred with that brush.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Grape posted:

What is the British equivalent for names like Cletus or Bubba anyway.
Like maximum oafish Tory voter name.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Raskolnikov38 posted:

wouldn't this trigger an election? sounds like a bad idea if you want brexit to happen

As it stands there is a miniscule chance that May might gain enough reassurances from European leaders surrounding the NI backstop to calm the fears of more moderate Tories and the DUP, and somehow manage to get a pass on her deal. Hardcore Brexit Tories don't want that.

Or she could trigger a second referendum, most likely on her deal vs no deal rather than a re-run of the original. Hardcore Brexit Tories really don't want that.

They're quite happy to see the UK crash and burn out of the EU. The "nuclear option" mentioned would trigger a general election if successful, and that would likely leave the government in limbo until after the March deadline, leading to a no-deal Brexit.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Bryter posted:

Not even especially hardcore unionists. I have plenty of apolitical relatives from mainstream culturally unionist background who would never think to call themselves Irish.

I think this is slowly changing, and historically it's always been somewhat fluid.

200 years ago it was Irish Protestants who re-ignited interest in Gaelic culture and language as a way to establish a national identity separate from the homogeneous Catholic church.

When Ireland gained independence it became a Catholic state, and not just as the majority religion. The church was intricately tied to the state and had huge influence over education, healthcare and welfare. Over a few decades there was a quiet bloodless purge of Protestantism and Unionism in Ireland that resulted in a migration of Protestant Unionists north into Northern Ireland. Those people no longer felt they could culturally identify with a state where the Catholic identity had become synonymous with Irish-ness.

Then the Troubles happened and everyone went to loving mental extremism.

These days Ireland has largely cut its ties with the Catholic church and transformed itself into a pretty liberal progressive country (how they managed that within a generation is another story). There are a lot of young people in Northern Ireland looking at Ireland without the historical baggage, and seeing it as a more tolerant progressive country than the fundamentalist Christian backwater they live in.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014


I clicked on one of the Russia Today Ruptly videos once, and it overtook my YouTube recommendations completely.

Like my whole suggested "Watch Next" became nothing but "Nigel Farage ownz libz", "EDL marchers defend freedom of speech", "Tommy Robinson - True Patriot" poo poo.

Oh, you've been watching YouTube since 2005 and never shown any inclinations towards being a fascist. Well, based on that one video you clicked on out of thousands we're now going to recommend you only pro-fascist content.

Clyde Radcliffe has issued a correction as of 01:15 on Dec 16, 2018

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

prefect posted:

It's mean, but a joke that I love when the Simpsons go for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrpUSKE9p_M

The UK is top of the OECD league in many areas of dental care and outperforms the US in almost every respect - less tooth decay, fewer missing teeth. We don't go in for cosmetic whitening and stuff as much as the US though.

But post-Brexit when all the Polish dentists have been kicked out we'll be back to brushing with tree bark and tying a piece of string to a door handle for tooth extraction.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

I'm hoping they turn it into a EU-centric version of "It's a small world"

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

twoday posted:

https://twitter.com/Colin_CWilliams/status/1075471511430008833?s=19

Occupying your own country militarily to own the libs the lib dems the EU yourself

That's the most English loving article. Bringing up the dreaded Gordon Riots 0f 1780 which still instil a fear of troops on the street in the collective British consciousness, while not even mentioning that an entire country of the UK had armed troops patrolling streets in every town for over 30 years well into the 1990s.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Dance Officer posted:

The British education system is far from the worst and the countries with the best schooling systems in the world also have completely insane democracies. I doubt it actually matters.

As a product of the British education system I'll say that it's not terrible. It does a good job of educating kids on core subjects and channelling them down a path towards more specialized tertiary education.

But it's loving dreadful when it comes to civics. Generalized education ends at 16 and covers nothing about how government works, civic responsibilities or any related topic.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Bryter posted:

Spanish cuisine is better than British obviously but it's still the worst in southern Europe.

British cuisine has made huge strides in recent years and has gradually become accepted around the world, thanks mostly to our inclusion of ethnic dishes from all the places we once ruled over.

But lol now with a hard Brexit we'll be queuing up with ration cards to buy a kg 2.2 Imperial British Pounds of tripe to boil into a congealed meat jelly that can sustain a family of proud Brexiteers for a month.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Grape posted:

My dude the only thing culinary that people go to that has any cultural connection to you is pubs.
When people eat curry they're not calling it British just because you also now eat it too.

I tried to conjure something we might possibly have been good at.

I failed.

BREXIT: Death is coming, eat trash, be free

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

An insane mind posted:

Maltesers are loving amazing and I will not hear you disparage them so, sir.

Dark chocolate Maltesers are amazing, but I've never seen them for sale in the UK. The mik chocolate ones are a poor cousin.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

A number of Labour MPs will likely cave, but a hefty chunk of her own party are happy with a no-deal Brexit. They know it'll be poo poo for the country but they believe it will be a cleansing fire that burns away European safety regulations and relics of a bygone era, like the NHS and publicly-funded education.

England will be reborn as a shining libertarian paradise similar to the USA (but with royalty). At least that's the bullshit the Koch-funded Tory think tank organizations have been spoon-feeding them for years.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

I wonder what foxes taste like

I wonder what the rich taste like.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Extreme0 posted:

Just loving Bomb Northern Ireland to oblivion. We can give the land back to the Irish after we get rid of everyone there. it's the least we can do for them after all the poo poo we did to them.

Just keep pushing ahead with no-deal Brexit and Northern Ireland will vote itself back into Ireland.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

School Nickname posted:

Assuming the Republic wants them. I don't want to have to pay a shitload extra tax for the pleasure of being bombed out by Loyalists, or want to deal with the Deep South of the British Isles any more than I have to.

As someone nominally Unionist, I'm finding myself more in favour of re-unification than remaining part of a post-Brexit UK. NI gets a fuckton of "peace and reconciliation" funding from the EU that would offset any tax burden that Ireland has to carry. Hell, it would probably get even more funding in the future just to stick another dagger into the UK for being dumb enough to Brexit.

Loyalist terrorism is a spent force. Even at the height of the Troubles they were mostly just rival criminal gangs intimidating the gently caress out of their communities. Without the British state surreptitiously arming them and providing intelligence, they're lame ducks.

Yeah, NI is the Deep South of the UK. That's a side effect of the conflict. Anyone with half a brain gets the gently caress out of NI once they reach college age and never looks back. The only people left are olds and sectarian scumbags. That's how you get the DUP.

Ireland used to have a similar brain drain until the government made a concerted effort to stop young people leaving the country. It went from a backwater EU country dominated by Catholic doctrine to one of the most progressive members of the EU in the span of a single generation.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Venom Snake posted:

the U.K. fucks up so bad that the irish seize control of all of the british isles and cause a famine in england

There was a segment on C4 news earlier this week where the nice lady with the curly blonde hair was interviewing some Irish minister, and trying to make a point about how a no-deal Brexit would negatively impact Ireland. Irish guy was all "lol you're seriously going to play the famine card?" He threw up some stats about how Ireland produces enough food each year to feed 35 million people with a national population of 8 million.

Just lol at the UK trying to scare Ireland with the threat of another famine. It's not the 1800s anymore, and Ireland isn't a country of poverty farmers working for absentee British landlords. You can't send the military over here to seize crops/livestock and load them onto ships bound for Britain, but the loving Tories still act like that's an option and the whole backstop problem could be solved with some firm pressure on us uppity bog dwellers.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Jose posted:

The us trade deal would be absolutely heinous for everything but particularly workers rights and the NHS so of course some Tories love the idea

The Leave branch of the Tory party have gulped down the Kool-Aid on this. They've been bombarded with endless 'research' from Koch-funded think-tanks, channelled through shady funding of the DUP and UKIP, that Brexit will result in England becoming the new shining city on the hill - a libertarian paradise freed from the shackles of socialist Europe.

And since most Tory MPs are large adult fail-sons who went into politics because they weren't entrusted to manage daddy's millions, of course they're happy to sell the country to the highest bidder if it boosts daddy's shareholdings,

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Almost 1,000 police officers from England and Scotland are to begin training for deployment in Northern Ireland in case of disorder from a no-deal Brexit, the Guardian has learned.

The plans were put in place after Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) chiefs asked for reinforcements to deal with any trouble that arises from a hard border. The training for officers from English forces and Police Scotland is expected to begin this month.

lol good luck to them.

The British border in Ireland is porous as gently caress. There's at least 300 road crossings that will need to be patrolled, and countless unofficial crossings. Hell, there's one stretch on a major route between the UK and Ireland that crosses the border 5 times in a 10km stretch. Tens of thousands of people commute across the border every day, from going to work, to nipping across the street for a pint of milk, since the border runs right through many communities.

NI is a weird place. With all the focus on the DUP right now, a lot of people think it's an enclave of ultra-Britishness. But it isn't - the majority of NI voted to remain and since the Good Friday Agreement it's been almost a buffer between the UK and Ireland where both governments have a role.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

oliwan posted:

https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1081208536573595651?s=19

Gonna make a cool mil smuggling tomatoes into the empire where the sun never sets

Looking forward to the next year spent drinking nettle tea and shoving elderberry jam and tripe down my gullet.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

XMNN posted:

i think im going to start watching ray mears videos to learn how to forage sorrel and whittle a canoe

could do bear grylls too but i think id rather kill myself than resort to self administering a piss enema when the water runs out

e: although i don't think bear would even wait until the water runs out, he seems to be an enema fan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkH8U1Qd0Ic

frajaq posted:

I will become a banana smuggler to save british goons

Is that a banana you're smuggling or are you just pleased to see me?
:wink:

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Raskolnikov38 posted:

hi american here, have u brits not learned the utter uselessness of polls yet

Problem here is that Poles were way too useful and took all the jerbs.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Pollsters, please tell me which party I should back to ensure me and my family have a regular supply of rat-burgers come April.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Tom Guycot posted:

So what exactly is this deal of May's? I assume its quite bad by virtue of it being her deal, but how bad?

It's a negotiated tactical withdrawal from the EU that offsets some of the chaos. It's pretty awful and rejected by sane people who think leaving the EU is a disastrous decision, and also hated by Leave voters because it still ties the UK to certain EU standards and won't let them hang darkies from the nearest lamp-post.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

I have a fleet of drones ready and waiting to deliver bananas across the Irish Sea to my British Brexiteers.

If u need bananas just pick up your mobile and ring ring ring bananadrone

Where do I sign up to get my no-bid government contract for this incredibly well thought out idea?

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

An insane mind posted:

Hahahahahahahahaha

The only thing the EU wants that only the UK can facilitate is peace in loving Ireland.

Hahahahaha. The ball firmly in our courts....I'm sorry, is this really how the English think?

Just watch any Last Night of the Proms video to answer your question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=041nXAAn714
edit: They do huge outdoor screen broadcasts of this in major cities across the UK. Funnily enough, the Belfast screen usually switches to something else when this teary-eyed rule Britannia poo poo starts.

And did those feet in ancient time,
Walk upon England's mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On England's pleasant pastures seen!

And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!

I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In England's green & pleasant Land.

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Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

No matter the outcome we'll still be part of the European Broadcasting Union, right?

I hope every country in Europe gives 12 points to the UK in this year's Eurovision, forcing post-Brexit UK to host a 2020 multi-million pound eurotrash extravaganza in the burnt-out husk of what used to be London.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Nah, the Israelis know how to put on a show. They do an amazing pyrotechnic display over Gaza pretty much every night.

Britain's Eurovision 2019 should just be Boris Johnson doing a rendition of any Sasha Bognibov song.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

You down wit QET, yeah you know me.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Raskolnikov38 posted:

doesn't like everyone ban british meat imports because of mad cow or did those get lifted

I think they got lifted. I can't speak for the whole of the UK but in Northern Ireland the beef market is incredibly tightly regulated, since we weren't part of the BSE crisis and went to pretty extreme lengths to disassociate ourselves from the mainland UK (one of many occasions where the DUP insisted that NI absolutely shouldn't be treated the same as the rest of the UK).

If I buy some steaks from a butcher here, they come labelled with the farm that the cattle were raised on, as every cow is tagged and tracked through every stage of the process from farm to market.

There's a big natural foods market in the US for butter from NI cattle as all our cows are grass-fed (cow food) as opposed to amphetamine-laced Skittles or whatever the gently caress US factory farms feed their cattle.

Of course post-Brexit when all our rural economy is conglomerated into standards-free US megafarms all our cows will be grown in intravenously-fed Matrix lifepods.

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Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Grape posted:

That man has extremely upsetting dark eyes in every picture, like some sort of antichrist eyes.

I'm not saying he's evil, but every time he speaks in parliament birds start flying into window panes across London and hordes of rats flee the sewers to drown themselves in the Thames.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Grape posted:

Getting into British chuds is like discovering a new genre. I'm so used to rotund hayseeds, cursed barbie dolls, and greasy snake oil salesmen. But the British versions are fascinating, all these people from central casting for "aristocrat who is also a pedophile vampire".

They're fundamentally the same. The Rees-Moggs of this world are still greasy snake oil salesmen promising a beautiful new dawn for Britain if we only reject the EU and embrace American-style free market capitalism. They just do it with a plummy posh English accent that makes them sound more intelligent than they are.

British CHUDs are pretty much the same as Ameri-CHUDs:
  • Financially secure boomers who live in the quaint all-white village of Little Buttlickton and have never encountered a brown person IRL but are terrified by the idea that letting migrants into the country might mean savages overrunning their village.
  • Working-class people in cities who have to live alongside migrants, but feel that the migrants are taking all the jerbs because the poor bastards are willing to work the shittiest jobs for minimum wage, but the idea that they might be in the same situation as migrants and maybe better working conditions would help everyone is completely beyond them.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

genericnick posted:

To be fair the whole of Luxembourg's buisnessmodel is doing those tax scams, so I wouldn't say the EU did a particularly good job in banning them.

To be fair the whole of the City of London's business model is doing tax scams funnelling illicit wealth into offshore holding accounts in British Offshore Territories like the Cayman Islands and the Channel Islands. Taking a cut from funnelling huge amounts of illicit money on behalf of 3rd-world dictators raping their countries and drug cartels is pretty much the backbone of the UK financial services industry.

Zeroisanumber posted:

You'll be picking bugs out of your 3-day old pottage, just like your ancestors.

I'll be down in the public parks at night along with the feared Romanian immigrants, catching my quota of sweet sweet swan meat.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Mycroft Holmes posted:

brexit is like a man threatening you with a gun except the gun is pointed at himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453KDsPyqZc

The woman in pink is Ireland

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

The BBC have dragged Nigel "The Nigel" Farage out of the broom closet to help with their coverage of the vote.

It's no wonder he's so popular speaking at alt-right conferences in the USA. He absolutely looks like an animatronic Pepe.

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

:hmbol: we're not only going to crash out of Europe, are we going to be doing it without a functioning government?

narrator: they didn't currently have a functioning government

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Lodin posted:

Much as I suspected the British politoons have mostly lied to me. Jezza seems like a pretty cool dude.

He is, but he's a crap party leader. He's a very principled politician and sticks to his ethical views, but he can't work the political system with any level of competence. I feel unclean for saying it, but a Blair-style Labour labour who was capable of making backroom deals, playing the game, and wooing the media would have annihilated the Tories over this whole fiasco. Just look how much they've self-imploded without any serious opposition.

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Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

Calico Heart posted:

Has a PM ever been so thoroughly wrecked on live television?

lol more than twice the number of MPs voted her deal down and then the leader of the opposition immediately delivered a demeaning and degrading speech and called for a vote of no confidence that's happening the next day

No PM has ever been so thoroughly wrecked since television radio the telegraph carrier pigeon cuneiform was invented.

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