bessantj posted:

I'll never understand this, Trump is about as part of the elite as you can get surely.

bessantj posted:

He's bound to have been able to influence them though, which I think is part of peoples complaints about 'the political elite'. Is 'political elite' something that gets leveled at the Democrats more than the Republicans?

julian assflange posted:

Lib Dems? more like Lib Dumbs haha

hakimashou posted:

Dropping truth bombs like that is a war crime.

rudatron posted:

this is manifestly untrue, there isn't a single day that goes by without some Conservative Intellectual talking about the crazy left are all traitors who deserve to be shot

TomViolence posted:

this is just a piss poor paraphrasing of the "if you punch nazis you're just as bad as them" bullshit from months back

right wing backlash doesn't come from a bunch of internet nobodies talking about guillotines, it comes from a racially charged politics of atavistic resentment and the demagoguery of an increasingly worried ruling class in a time of nearly unprecedented material inequality

TomViolence posted:

wait a minute


what is your point, then?

Taintrunner posted:

your point runs against the entirety of human history, maybe crack open a book you dingus

MikeCrotch posted:

Violence comes in a lot more forms than talking about punching Nazis and guillotining the rich, chum. Right wing media and the Tory government practice violence every day in increasing hateful rhetoric about minorities and trying to dismantle the NHS, so its pretty disingenuous to say that leftists are starting the talk about violence here

TomViolence posted:

even electoral politics is just violence by proxy

120,000 people have been killed by deliberate government policy in the UK over the space of 7 years. just because they weren't herded into ditches and shot doesn't make them any less dead

TomViolence posted:

edit:


You're going on about violent rhetoric and how it might not help us realise our political aims, I'm pointing to a way in which violent rhetoric (the conservative party's constant excoriation of the unemployed, sick, disabled and vulnerable in this country) has helped them achieve their aims (killing the sick and disabled)

but also, more seriously, i'm saying that politics has always been about doling out violence, or at the very least, being able to present a credible threat to the (class) enemy's material interests

Taintrunner posted:

You're wrong, and no, it simply is not debatable.

People died in Grenfell because the owner decided to buy the cheaper, flammable decorative cladding so the tinderbox that housed the exploited working class looked nicer for the rich estate owners around it. Many landlords are proud Tories, and under strict regulation, this entire tragedy was absolutely preventable. This same Tory government did everything they could to cover up the true number of lives lost and did everything they could to further ripoff the survivors who lost their homes and all of their belongings.

They absolutely deserve the hate they get.

nopantsjack posted:

Also I've got no idea why anyone would defend the tories and their contemptuous callousness Mr corn

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

And discarded nitrous

nopantsjack posted:

HES SO BAD HE GOT RAN OUT OF THE D&D THREAD AND NOW YOU RUBES ARE GENUINLEY RESPONDING TO THA oval office

PLX CSPAM NO

Cerebral Bore posted:

Never forget to remind the Labour Right shitters that if it hadn't been for their incessant backstabbing and treachery, there'd be a Labour government today.

forkboy84 posted:

It's not though. Labour who got behind the new leader would have won the 2017 election. They got 40% of the vote with most of the MPs less than a year removed from trying to replace him. That had an impact.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

This is the most embarrassing thing I've seen someone cop to on this forum, and I remember that guy who hosed his dog.

oliwan posted:

That's true I guess, good drugs make you high, dumb drugs (like alcohol) make you "hosed up"

oliwan posted:

😂

Taintrunner posted:

Captain_Maclaine posted:

You know it was absolutely one of those "dammit, we agreed to not to talk like that in public now I have to break up with you!" things.

Truga posted:

A single nation state in tyool 2018 can't hope to accomplish proper socialism on its own. They get embargo'd to poo poo, and their country consequently goes to poo poo without being able to trade for resources not native to the region.

Work must be done from the inside of larger entities, to get there. EU might actually be big enough to pull it off. Maybe. Either way, leaving it is a losing proposition for all parties involved, unless the UK is officially kicking off the WSM and has a bunch of members lined up I've somehow missed.