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NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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I'm not a fan of hanamura. It was QM and my team refused to touch the lanes, at all and they other team had a sylv rotating both lanes. This has probably colored my perception. I've never seen an actual 5 level lead though, 12-17. This is for sure the most snowbally map I've seen.

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NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Ein Sexmonster posted:

Uther is way, way better now. He's even more of a hard counter to burst assassins now.

I know they just nerfed Valeera way hard, but I kept one shut down in QM when I was seeing how Uther plays. It was really gratifying.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Lemon-Lime posted:

It really isn't.

Somewhere around gold in HL matchmaking there's a shift in mentality. Hero league itself is the new quickmatch; silence in draft, bullshit slam picks, nightmare team comps, specialists who just tower hump themselves to death all game, the works. Unranked draft is even worse in that matchmaking tier. In my experience in Gold/Silver HL it's pretty common to go tank or healerless, let alone unranked draft.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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this game makes me really frustrated but the new Angry Uther is fun and new Tyrande looks boss so I'll keep playing

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Nephzinho posted:

She was first pick/ban for a long time like a year ago.

Which was mostly because of battle momentum reducing the CD on Shadowstalk at the time. She was a solid solo healer, with a global team HoT + short term invis that seemed to be off of CD whenever you wanted it. Also rewind + owl sniping an abathur. Those were the days.

e: the more I think about it, the more I love that supports are sort of getting less heal bot oriented and more enabling oriented. Sure they still heal. But Uther's strength is the mitigation from Devotion, Tass has shields and vision, Tyrande cranks up the team's damage (although you can still dump a lot of healing out if you're good at stutter stepping). More enablers and less heal bots would be awesome and fun and good.

As it stands the two support meta seems to focus on just making two teams unable to kill the other until one team's support's blue bars are gone because of all of the healing only supports. That's kind of boring to watch and to play.

NeurosisHead fucked around with this message at 19:07 on May 12, 2017

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Uther's level 1 Q quest is done before level 3 if the other team has a Tychus or Tracer. That owns.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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The Shortest Path posted:

Sure, but when you're in a full premade and nobody says anything ever it's pretty depressing. :smith:

i see you have discovered the fabled "playing with goons" experience

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Does Destiny have any iconic characters that would be cool in HoTS? Blizzard is bringing Destinty 2 to PC, so it seems inevitable that there will be hero crossover.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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exquisite tea posted:

D.Va is not a tank.

I haven't played since she was added, what is she?

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Generally if you upfront say "hey guys I am bad at <x> role, people will listen and work around that. The situation we're discussing is not that

My experience has been that when you say that, the guy who has played literally 4k games almost entirely as assassins, mostly as Nova, will tell you that you shouldn't play HL if you aren't excellent at every class. He will also refuse to play anything but a stealth assassin, and end the game with a dozen deaths.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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I feel like we're just a few posts away from "fight me 1v1 mid" right now

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Bogart posted:

You just don't understand the optimum strategy at hand :smug: ping ping ping ping

e: Ping more than once and I say 'one is fine.' Keep doing it and you get your pings ignored. :v: Acting like a smug master of tactics is really fuckin lame, my buddies.

There are times where the ping spam matters. Like when the tank dives 1v5, and you as the support approach him to try to keep him alive while he retreats because he's an idiot. You ping retreat once, hit him with a heal, and he turns around because he thinks his 300 remaining HP are going to let you win 2v5. So you ping retreat again, hit him with another heal, and head in the other direction. But because you healed him twice he turns around to loving dive again even though you're walking away so you have to hammer the retreat ping over his idiot loving head to get his attention.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Coolness Averted posted:

luckily since I'm support I don't need to do much more than sit and soak while I beg someone to please rotate or not leave me alone while they engage in that team fight 3v4 3 levels down over the vision tower

My favorite thing in the world is getting a draft that communciates, wants to draft a 2 support comp, lets me play Angry Uther, and then no one will lane with me so I can build stacks early on my Q quest. Like, guys, I could have most of the 80 stacks after the first clash, and for sure all of them before the first objective if there was just someone else here with me.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

He's a bruiser that can't match Sonya's or Artanis' damage. I haven't been too sure what to do with him but I haven't tried too hard.

He totally can, but he has to do it by gluing himself to their tank and keeping them from being effective. Usually you want bruisers to find their way to softer targets to disrupt and kill them. Leoric does all of his work in most comps by disrupting the front line from the front, rather than by circumventing it and forcing it to turn away from the rest of his team like Sonja and Artanis.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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p-hop posted:

Sylvanas mind control ult is super easy to land and pretty much 100% guarantees a free kill on anyone out of position. The later the game is, the better since respawn timers get so long. The silence arrow is a bigger skill shot and looks way cooler to land, but dragging a hero right into your team with no chance to attack or cast anything is so good.

What other ults are this deadly? I have Varian, but actually have never tried him. His taunt sounds like the same kind of thing. Any other suggestions?

I would really strongly suggest wailing arrow over mind control. The number of times a Sylvanus has buried a Malfurion or ETC in the middle of my team so that they can lock us all down at once is staggering.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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EdRush posted:

I would only take Mind Control to isolate one crucial hero that is probably wrecking your face, like an Illidan or Sonya your team just wouldn't be able to deal with otherwise.

If there's just one hero that your team can't deal with at all you were never going to win anyway, and stunning yourself while you run them into your team to kill everyone isn't going to help you.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Ciaphas posted:

Varian and D.Va not being classified as tanks is loving ruinous

Agreed. Devil's advocate a little though, in QM at least you may be queuing up to play twin blades or colossus smash. Since the point of QM is to be able to be sure you can play the exact hero you want in the spec you want (regardless of if your team is equipped to support that) I don't know how they can fix Varian's classification. Maybe make you lock into if you're going to play damage or tank Varian before a match starts?

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Toshimo posted:

They said if you can't stay alive well enough to complete convection, you shouldn't use Kael. This is correct. Kael is squishy, long-range, has 1 skillshot stun for an escape, and 0 sustain. Staying alive is your #1 priority. Doing that requires a minimum level of awareness and a certain reaction time. If you don't have that level of skill, you should absolutely be using someone more durable or with a more reliable escape. It doesn't matter what map you are on or what your comp is. If you are dying 3-4 times before level 10 and it didn't involve a complete wipe of the other team to take an objective, then you shouldn't be playing Kael.

you should definitely not learn how to play a hero. be a master, or gently caress off scrub

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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1982 Subaru Brat posted:

Is Drakken Laser Drill bugged? I had to furiously mash R to get it to deploy at all in this last game. Switching targets worked fine.

The hitbox for placement seems to be different from what it looks like visually.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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I just had one of those QM games that started with someone doing something loving stupid, and replying with "lol it's qm" when someone called them out. So I spent the entire game relentlessly feeding, and typing "lol it's qm" in chat every few seconds. It was, by a wide margin, the most fun I have had playing this game in at least the last year. Namaste.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Also the terror's melee attack will kill all of the minions nearby in an aoe, so if you're crossing a lane and walking across a minion wave it's helpful to stop and smack it once.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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beejay posted:

It also does a lot of damage to heroes but god help you if you do literally anything but beeline to a building and only hit it. On the other hand, feel free to only use the dragon to kick people.

don't forget to breathe fire into a bush before you approach a structure

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Bruceski posted:

On a different note, simultaneously on this thread I've seen people throwing shade at Medivh's low winrate and talking about how nasty he can be. Is he just a very high skillcap or am I missing sarcasm somewhere?

He's incredibly strong in diamond/masters, where there's as much as a 40% chance your team is even looking at their screen. Below that he is completely worthless, where there is a 100% chance that every person who ends up in your draft will slampick an assassin or specialist and feed all game.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Gustav posted:

Wasn't expecting much out of Stukov, and drat was I wrong

I don't enjoy playing healbot supports, which was the majority of the supports for a long time. With the reworks they've been doing on supports there's a lot of room to use them as something other than bags of spare hp for the people who actually get to have fun playing the game against other players. Stukov seems to continue that trend, and I like that.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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I just noticed that the Rob Liefield looking Sonya skin has little comic book BOOM and POW things with her crit hits and in the little explosions from slam. It doesn't seem to happen every time, but once you know it's there you can't not see it. That's pretty neat.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Gustav posted:

idgi, you can do that on half of the maps in the game already? If you have 5 people who all want to drag it out forever and the enemy team was unable to ever win a teamfight. No one ever does though, because... why would you...

Now if you can push to that point, you'll have keeps down so that there's catapults in the lane. Eventually those lanes will push to the core, and eventually they will add up enough core damage to end the game. Even if your team just hangs out outside of core range and avoids even killing their minions and they just sit in spawn you'll eventually win once you've got their keeps down.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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lordfrikk posted:

I don't disagree with that at all. My point is they are not exclusive. The map can be poorly designed AND the people can be literal human garbagethe kind of people who play MOBA's who just find that kind of behavior fun.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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The lower your graphics settings the more visible the shimmer seems to be. If it's that big of a deal for someone they could always try that?

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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He'll be really susceptible to alpha strikes from full health, but hard to chase and whittle down while he runs or finish with stealth burst damage. For mid- and low-tier play where stealthers are really scary when you're at low health and you're just starting to learn the basics of positioning I can see that being really strong.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

He only has 25 armor at half health. I think he'll be weak to burst in general. He will really need to get those Ws off to keep his health up.
Him being able to go bruiser or initiator as options is interesting. There is going to be some big plays with tossing a team mate in

Is it that low? I thought I remembered it as 1 armor per % missing health, max 75 armor. Which seemed like it would be super strong for everything except %health damage.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Spudd posted:

I always just push myself to Q people as Alarak. No one ever expects the suicidal stupid Alarak picker.

I think that every time I've managed to hit 3+ enemies with a single Q was doing that. They all scatter when it lands, I finish a quest in one shot, and usually manage to get away after doing so.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Toshimo posted:

I'm pretty sure the guy who:
  1. hosed off in the middle of the game
  2. Started pm'ing someone poo poo post-game instead of just accepting that someone didn't appreciate them doing Exhibit 1.
  3. Started off line 1 of Exhibit 2 calling someone "Billy Butthurt"
  4. Responded to a fairly reasonable explanation of the problem with "lol blow me"
  5. Posted it all to an internet forum

is the Ace Tier Shitlord in this example.


:same:

did we all miss the part where it was a beginner ai game that lasted all of 10 minutes even with his absence

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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I think they should just change blackhearts bay to permanently be the booty coffers brawl

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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There's a whole lot of people around my lovely MMR that read "man butcher is nuts right now" and immediately jumped into game to glue themselves to a lane and farm meat without reading about what exactly makes butcher hot right now.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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BrianBoitano posted:

Garrosh's E (Wrecking Ball, throw enemies) is up there. When enemies are juuust out of range, it will often go on full cooldown without throwing anyone.

Also, queue to log in right now of 45 minutes. I only have 90 minutes to play :gonk:

e: aaaaand it upped to 66 minutes. FML.

e2: huh. I clicked "Go offline", opened HotS, and logged in that way. Worked instantly. Must've been a weird bug with the launcher, potentially on my end.

I had to actually log into HOTS after launching from BNet. Something is weird, although I couldn't say what.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Power Bottom posted:

I got recruited to a Chair League team and for the past couple weeks, I've been playing streamed matches. It's been a really cool and fun experience because I've been participating with an organized group against other organized groups, something that drastically alters the Heroes experience for the better. However, ever since I got recruited and started playing competitively, I haven't cared about playing HOTS unless it was for practice or for a proper match because Hero League isn't coordinated and QM/Unranked are full of smurfs.

I'm starting to think that trying too hard has broken my brain and ruined the hobby for me.

No, HOTS just has a player base of morons. Your brain works fine. If you haven't already, start an EU account. Their HL scene is light years better than NA, if you can handle the ping.

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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Thrall after the re-work that added all of his quest talents doesn't click for me anymore. Anybody have any tips?

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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I like to pretend they're going to do something with hammer to give her an in vehicle/out of vehicle state based on that gay anime

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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W.T. Fits posted:

Yeah, around the time Probius was released. They said they wanted to cut back on the number of heroes who summon stuff, and also cut down on the amount of stuff that gets summoned when they do add new summoning heroes. It's why Probius is limited to only two pylons (three if you talent for it at level 20) and a single cannon with a limited duration that can't be manually targeted.

Which always kind of feels like bullshit when I paint a lane from gate to core with turrets as gazlowe with some careful auto attack timing.

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NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

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tcjimbo posted:

If your hotdog sandwich mmr isn't 3k or higher you need to stop posting and literally get out.

What if I only upload losses to hotdogs so my win rate is 0%? What then, buster?

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