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GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

pyrotek posted:

They turned down GoT millions to work on that, wow

You think that HBO is not throwing money and the "creators of Game of Thrones" "Producers of Game of Thrones" or whatever title they will pick to produce their next show?

They basically had card blanche to do whatever show they wanted - and it seems that alternate history USA was their pick.

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GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

FogHelmut posted:

what's Dave Hill's next project?

"The Life of Olly's Father - A Game of Thrones story"

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

I unironically want to know if the Iron Bank has to cut their losses and write off Westeros or if they finally back someone who can mitigate their bad lending decisions.

It supported Euron and bought him 1000 ships.


Their pollsters are really bad at predicting Westerosi politics.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

TeaJay posted:

At this point I will be happy when we (eventually) get Winds of Winter, but it's beginning to look like GURM is gonna croak before he has any chance to finish Dream of Spring. So if he will be adamant about no one being able to continue his work, the TV show might be the only source of an ending for the series we'll get?

If we assume that he releases TWOW 2018/2019 the predicted release date of DoS would be somewhere around 2030, when GURM is around 80.

So it might happen.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

InFlames235 posted:

Oh ok. Well I dunno why they didn't do that in other winters. I guess the best explanation is that he was waiting to build a big enough army of the dead over a long period of time before attacking.

While there have been winters before, White Walkers have not appeared for quite some time. The only time that they seem to have fought with humanity seems to have been The Long Night.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
My favorite part was that Whip Snake got the drop on Euron two times, but because she is fighting with a loving whip instead of an actual weapon, she is now dead.

Oh is it just me or is Emilia Clarke a really lovely actress that has about one expression, which is fitting for nothing but season one episode 1-3 Dany?

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Diddie posted:

No way, she was great in Terminator 7. She's a rising star I tells ya

I read yesterday (in an article about Ghost in the Shell) the actual problem with her performance in Terminator 7 was that GoT fans didn't recognize her because she was not wearing a wig, and that's why the movie bombed.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

lezard_valeth posted:


- No Khaleesi, we cannot use our army in the most efficient way. Let us in fact split our army into multiple factions and spread them way across the map making them more vulnerable to ambush attacks so that our hopelessly outmatched rival can stand a chance at all. We just HAVE TO send our army to pick the rest of our army, we used our one raven on Jon Snow. Yes Khaleesi, I am the same man that was considered smart and a great strategist till season 4 but have since then not done anything to support that claim.

To be fair, since season 5 there are no smart people on the show anymore - well except for Ramsay Bolton, master tactician. Just look at what Littlefinger did since then.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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kater posted:

Right. Not a retcon, just handled in the most brutally awkward way possible.

They need to keep Missandei relevant to the show for some reason ... Like they could have had Missandei and Greyworm die and keep Selmy on the show, which would have been much more powerful going forward, as Selmy would have been a great adviser and verbal sparring partner for both Tyrion and Varys, but nope, that would probably have been seen as racist.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
I don't think Cersei will battle Dany this season - anything that happens wrt battles will be skirmishes/battles between lesser forces. They had to show the weapon this soon to offer some credible threat to Dany's nukes.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Pump it up! Do it! posted:

Littlefinger is probably the worst character in the show, I mean the dude is a creepy retard who just needlessly antagonizes powerful people. Which is pretty much the opposite of what he is in the books, in the books everyone likes him and Jaime even thinks that he would make a great hand of the king. The weirdest thing is that Aidan Gillen isn't a lovely actor either in other shows. His character in The Wire pretty much is book Littlefinger and he was brilliant as being superficially extremely charming but underneath a real shithead.

The issue is that they simplified all the narratives in the show so much, that there simply is no plotting or intrigue after season 4. It's comically bad people being comically bad until they get dick slapped by the very good people or vice versa.

On some GoT podcast they said that Aiden Gillen has hinted at his displeasure with the writing in the later seasons, so that might be a reason why he is going to get the Selmy treatment of an unfulfilling death

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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SHOAH NUFF posted:

they have to keep the balls or the Unsullied will just be a bunch of Varys looking guys

They are castrated root and stem - but probably have a great steroid program to make up for that. In the books it's even mentioned that they are individually not as strong as "real man", but make up for it with discipline.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
What is Dany going to do with the Dothraki after she is finished conquering Westeros?

It seems that having a horde that is accustomed to raping and pillaging and doesn't speak the native language would be somewhat complicated and I doubt that the crown will have the income to have a standing army of 60k mounted fighters.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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So in this season Davos is going to find Gendry in KL, where he is working as blacksmith again (keep in mind that Cersei wants him killed) and has him row his boat back to Dragonstone - where not only Mel is hanging out, who might want to burn him, but also a certain Dragon queen, who might want to burn him because he is the son of the usurper who killed her brother.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
It's funny how all the ~great schemers~ basically only sucked since season 5:

LF:
- Gives Sansa to Boltons, where she gets raped
- Bets on Stannis, who gets 20 manned
- Secures victory in the North for Jon, for which he gets basically degraded to court jester with regards to his influence.
- dies

Tyrion:
- almost loses Mereen
- gets the Unsullied trapped on Casterly Rock

Queen of Thrones:
- gets her family nuked
- allies with Dany only to see her castle and lands sacked and looted
- dies

Varys:
- helps Tyrion lose Mereen
- forges an alliance between Dany and Dorne/Reach, who get destroyed asap
- gets constantly poo poo on by Red Priestesses


Roose Bolton:
- dies

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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hanales posted:

Will you stop reading when George does the same?

George is never going to kill Stannis because he is not going to release another book

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Item Getter posted:

Isn't that another artifact of the book plot involving the fake Arya that doesn't make sense when you find and replace her with the real Sansa?

Well, in the book it was more "LF had this rando northern girl hidden away in one of his brothels" - it's less making this great deal and more giving away a spare bike.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Look, Tyrion's most important job currently is to be Midget, the Date Doctor and get Dany and Jon snow to have epic boatsex.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Away all Goats posted:

Interesting theory about Daenerys = Azor Azhai

The gist of it is that Daenarys losing a naval battle/her naval commander and attacking Casterly Rock (whose house is a symbol of a lion) parallels Azor Ahai's first two attempts to temper his sword: first in water and then in the heart of a Lion.

It could be that Daenarys ends up losing what she truly loves and wants: the Throne, in order to beat the White Walkers.

First of all, the show is not that clever, not by a long shot. They don't even mention Azor Ahai and have reduced the intrigue of the PtwP prophecy to the translation mistake.
Second, Azor Ahai's sacrifices were done willingly and not because he listened to his most incompetent advisors, therefore they are very different from Danny's screw ups.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

I don't know that we can extrapolate one dude's martial prowess in single combat* to a whole House's military acumen. I mean I'm sure even the Tajik army could shake out a single, solitary awesome soldier.

*and to be honest, is Loras that great in the show? honestly he tends to get clowned on like early season Worf.

Loras led the van at Blackwater Bay and won the only legitimate tourney shown on the show - so yeah he was an able fighter.

More importantly though, if Olenna knew she did not have good fighters, shouldn't they have made a plan to get the gold to safety or have given her some officers from Dorne to command her troops?

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Elotana posted:

How did Tyrion get from Dragonstone to the Reach :thunk:

The battle is in front of KL because reasons.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Punkin Spunkin posted:

It'd be pretty funny if Dickon dies in the war and the Tarlys have to turn to Sam as heir

Dickon and Randall get toasted by Drogon next episode (5) because they don't bend the knee before Dany.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Sydin posted:

She wasn't off put by Arya, she was off put by the smell of Littlefinger making GBS threads his pants over yet another absurdly OP fighter who isn't going to take his poo poo and wants to lop his head off.

Actually she was pretending to be put off by Arya so they can have Littlefinger executed in shocking fashion in the season finale.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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disjoe posted:

There's also the fact that NinjaArya represents the fact that she hasn't had the easiest life and adapted in order to survive and thrive. Sansa probably feels bad that Arya has had to do this in the first place.

Well, she could have just gotten beaten and raped like Sansa - I'm sure that was fun. Oh and stripped naked in front of the whole court in King's Landing. And almost freeze near Winterfell.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
Taking a girl into a cave is the one trick Jon knows to get laid - it works every time.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Jeb! Repetition posted:

That's probably what he does in Winds of Winter.

In the books he explicitly ruled out marrying/loving Sansa himself and plans to marry her to Harry the Heir. It has to be said that he is much more self-aware in the books, where he recognizes the fact that everyone sees him as a ruthless schemer and sees the value of having public support - in contrast to the show where he seems to think that backstabbing a popular ruler makes you the next popular ruler... then again, that seems to be the rule in the show.

Sydin posted:

Yeah even if Ramsey was honestly a standup guy who would have treated Sansa well, Littlefinger sending his most precious political chip to the Boltons made zero sense. By Littlefinger's own admission, Sansa is/was the key to the North. Why wouldn't he marry her himself, use his recently acquired loyal Vale Knights to go reclaim her birthright and install her as Queen/Warden of the North, and then have both the North and the Vale in his pocket? Plus he'd get to bang his replacement for Cat as a bonus.


I read somewhere that they wrote season 5 as they were filming, so maybe they planed on having LF ride in to aid Stannis and rescue Sansa, which would have made at least some sense, but changed their mind for reasons unknown. It's like the Arya in Braavos plot, which too could have ended a season early, but didn't.

GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Aug 5, 2017

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Bates posted:

Who, at this point, got Valyrian steel weapons apart from Brienne and Arya?

Jaime has Widow's Wail, Sam has Heartsbane, Jon has Longclaw.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Gold made it into King's Landing.

But real talk, deep water + full armor = ded.

RIP Jaime.

Jaime is not dead.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Proposition Joe posted:

Why are there giant mesas near Kings Landing? You're going from not-France to not-Croatia, the only place that might have mesas in Westeros should be Dorne right?

Because the writers wanted to invoke a Wild West settler atmosphere.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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bloom posted:

Gee, why would anyone follow this lady who can perform miracles and controls legendary beasts the world hasn't seen in hundreds of years?

I like to nitpick as much as anyone but goddamn guys.

actually its less then 150 years since dragons were last seen.

Groovelord Neato posted:

but what about the slaves she freed.

Given that she still supports absolute autocratic rule she did not so much free them as steal them for herself.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Groovelord Neato posted:

speaking of patriots hater here's good old grrm:

Someone should tell GRRM that the Patriots are going to continue to be in every AFC title game until he finishes Winds of Winter (they were in every since ADWD was released)

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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auzdark posted:

Why hasn't old man Tarly lost his poo poo about the priceless family sword disappearing at the exact same time the disappointing son left to nerd school?

Because it's not relevant to the plot and someone is going to need a Valyrian Sword in the final battle (he also could have send someone to Old Town to get the sword, given that he is now the Lord Paramount of the Reach)

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
Looking at the region around King's Landing just 3 seasons ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlKdIOQVP9U) and what it looks like today, they have a serious global warming problem. Maybe the White Walkers are just coming to solve it?

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
Fun observation:
Both Littlefinger and Dany were right when they said it would be smarter to focus on the southern conflict first, given that we now know that the NK needed someone to bring him a loving dragon to cross the wall.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Peanut President posted:

Wasn't Aegon the one who destroyed Harrenhal and the entire ruling family of the Reach?

Yes.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
I finally understood what reaction Sophie Turner was supposed to portray in her scenes with Arya - she is supposed to be afraid of her (or at least look like it). Only that way it makes sense that LF things him planting the letter has any effect.


Very stupid but at least I now understand the plot writers want to tell.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Item Getter posted:

Isn't episode 6 supposed to be the one with the big expedition where Viserion gets killed? Why's episode 5 called Eastwatch instead

Because the fellowship will be at Eastwatch in episode 5 and in the North in episode 6.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
In the sparring match the show WANTED you to think that Arya was at least an even match for Brienne - their inability to accurately portray it that way not withstanding.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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Lycus posted:

Preston did all his batshit after ADWD, so his theories will never be proven or disproven because that will be the last book.

Preston only read the books after the first season of the TV show - but he is probably one of the persons with the deepest knowledge of GRRMs complete works.

But his ending would be sci-fi, which is probably a nono for the publisher.

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GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
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lezard_valeth posted:

I'm sad there is only one more season left on the show cause I really want a stupid Kraken vs Dragon fight and this show isn't shy on it's budget for stupid fantasy fights.

What are the chances Euron happens to acquire a Kraken inbetween seasons?

Aren't CGI on CGI fights a lot less expensive than CGI on real people fights?

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