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STAC Goat posted:

Wait, who the hell joins in to kick Fox to 4th?

CNBC? Cause if so, :laffo: that network is a bunch of get rich quick schemes after 9pm.

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Rigel posted:

CBO score comes out tomorrow. The reason why it took so long is its one of the most complicated analysis they've had to do in a while because they have to try and predict which states might decide to opt out, which is hard

https://twitter.com/politico/status/867136469516857345

If Quist was savvy, he would have a commercial ready with everything but the CBO budget score already made. As soon as it drops, he starts airing it over Montana tonight and tomorrow for his special election.

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Let's Play, Watergate! - The Game

Rankings:
  • S: Impeachment + Removal Ending

  • A: Resignation: President Nixon Ending

  • B: Impeachment: President Johnson Ending

  • C: Impeachment: President Clinton Ending

  • D: Censure / No Impeachment: Bad Ending

  • F: Nothing! President Obama Ending. You've completed your term in office. Enjoy your vacation in the South Pacific.

Rules:

Indictment: 3 Indictments are required to unlock Guilty Plea, Conviction Side Quests

Subpoena: Subpoena is required to unlock Impeachment Endgame

Awards:

Ham Sandwich Award: Complete all Indictment Side Quests

Elliot Ness Award: Complete all Plea Bargain Side Quests

"When the President Does It, It's Not Illegal" Award: Complete all Conviction Side Quests


Vice President Mini Game
Choose the Next President: October 10, 1973, Spiro Agnew resigns as Vice President of the United States due to corruption while he was the governor of Maryland.



Watergate!
June 17, 1972: The White House Plumbers are arrested at 2:30 a.m. in the process of burglarizing and planting surveillance bugs in the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate Building Complex.


  • June 20, 1972: Deep Throat - Reportedly based on a tip from Deep Throat (associate director of the FBI, Mark Felt), Bob Woodward reports in the Washington Post that one of the burglars had E. Howard Hunt in his address book and possessed checks signed by Hunt, and that Hunt was connected to Charles Colson.
  • June 23, 1972: “Stay the hell out of this” - In the Oval Office, H.R. Haldeman recommends to President Nixon that they attempt to shut down the FBI investigation of the Watergate break-in, by having CIA Director Richard Helms and Deputy Director Vernon A. Walters tell acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray to, "Stay the hell out of this". Haldeman expects Gray will then seek and take advice from Deputy FBI Director Mark Felt, and Felt will obey direction from the White House out of ambition. Nixon agrees and gives the order. The conversation is recorded.
  • September 15, 1972: First Indictment (Indictment Side Quest) - Hunt, Liddy, and the Watergate burglars are indicted by a federal grand jury.
  • January 8, 1973: Plumbers Plead Guilty (Guilty Plea Side Quest) - Five defendants plead guilty as the burglary trial begins. Liddy and James W. McCord Jr. are convicted after the trial.
  • Secret Unlocked! FBI Director fired - You fire the FBI Director. It's a bold strategy. Let's see if it pays off for you.
  • February 28, 1973: New FBI Director - Confirmation hearings begin for confirming L. Patrick Gray as permanent Director of the FBI. During these hearings, Gray reveals that he had complied with an order from John Dean to provide daily updates on the Watergate investigation, and also that Dean had "probably lied" to FBI investigators.
  • March 17, 1973: Pejury - Watergate burglar McCord writes a letter to Judge John Sirica, claiming that some of his testimony was perjured under pressure and that the burglary was not a CIA operation, but had involved other government officials, thereby leading the investigation to the White House.
  • April 6, 1973: We’ve got a rat - White House counsel John Dean begins cooperating with federal Watergate prosecutors.
  • April 27, 1973: New FBI Director - FBI Director L. Patrick Gray resigns after it comes to light that he destroyed files from E. Howard Hunt's safe. William Ruckelshaus is appointed as his replacement.
  • April 30, 1973: Shake Up - Senior White House administration officials Ehrlichman, Haldeman, and Richard Kleindienst resign, and John Dean is fired.
  • May 17, 1973: I’d buy that for a dollar! - The Senate Watergate Committee begins its nationally televised hearings.
  • Secret Unlocked! July 27, 1975: Central Intelligence Agency Hearings (Treason Secret Ending Unlocked!) Church Committee, chaired by Frank Church, commences to investigate foreign and domestic intelligence-gathering activities.
  • May 19, 1973: Special Prosecutor Appointed - Independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox appointed to oversee investigation into possible presidential impropriety.
  • June 3, 1973: Cover 35 Defense - John Dean tells Watergate investigators that he has discussed the cover-up with Nixon at least 35 times.
  • July 13, 1973: “Tapes” - Alexander Butterfield, former presidential appointments secretary, reveals that all conversations and telephone calls in Nixon’s office have been taped since 1971.
  • July 23, 1973: Nixon refuses to turn over presidential tapes to Senate Watergate Committee or the special prosecutor.
  • October 20, 1973: "Saturday Night Massacre" - Nixon orders Elliot Richardson and Ruckleshouse to fire special prosecutor Cox. They both refuse to comply and resign. Robert Bork carries out the order.
  • November 1, 1973: New prosecutor - Leon Jaworski is appointed new special prosecutor.
  • November 17, 1973: “I am not a crook” - Nixon delivers "I am not a crook" speech at a televised press conference at Disney World
  • January 28, 1974: Perjury Plea (Guilty Plea Side Quest) - Nixon campaign aide Herbert Porter pleads guilty to perjury.
  • February 25, 1974: Illegal Campaign Activities Plea (Guilty Plea Side Quest) - Nixon personal counsel Herbert Kalmbach pleads guilty to two charges of illegal campaign activities.
  • March 1, 1974: President Co-conspiracy (Indictment Side Quest) - Nixon is named as an unindicted co-conspirator in an indictment against seven former presidential aides.
  • March 4, 1974: Watergate Seven Indictment (Indictment Side Quest) - Mitchell, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Colson, Gordon C. Strachan, Robert Mardian, and Kenneth Parkinson are indicted.
  • April 5, 1974: Perjury Conviction (Conviction Side Quest) - Dwight Chapin convicted of lying to a grand jury.
  • April 7, 1974: Perjury Indictment (Indictment Side Quest) - Ed Reinecke, Republican lieutenant governor of California, indicted on three charges of perjury before the Senate committee.
  • April 16, 1974: Tapes subpoena - Special Prosecutor Jaworski issues a subpoena for 64 White House tapes.
  • April 30, 1974: What’s wrong with a transcript? - White House releases edited transcripts of the Nixon tapes, but the House Judiciary Committee insists the actual tapes must be turned over.
  • May 9, 1974: Impeachment (Impeachment End Game) Impeachment hearings begin before the House Judiciary Committee.
  • July 24, 1974: United States v. Nixon - Nixon is ordered to give up tapes to investigators.
  • July 27 to July 30, 1974: Articles of Impeachment (Impeachment End Game) House Judiciary Committee passes Articles of Impeachment.
  • August 1974: Smoking Gun - A previously unknown tape from June 23, 1972 recorded a few days after the break-in documenting Nixon and Haldeman formulating a plan to block investigations is released
  • August 8, 1974: Resignation Speech - Nixon delivers his resignation speech in front of a nationally televised audience.
  • August 9, 1974: Nixon Resigns. Game Over. 813 Days

Current Progress: 8/32 (25%) Day of Presidency: Day 123

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Events completed after Watergate! The Game Officially Ends but are able to be unlocked in game
  • September 3, 1971: "White House Plumbers" Bonus Mission - E. Howard Hunt, G. Gordon Liddy, and others. break into the offices of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist Lewis Fielding looking for material that might discredit Ellsberg, under the direction of John Ehrlichman or his staff within the White House. This was the Plumbers' first major operation.
  • December 31, 1974: Privacy Act - As a result of Nixon administration abuses of privacy, Privacy Act of 1974 passes into law. Ford is persuaded to veto the bill by Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld; Congress overrides Ford's veto.
  • January 1, 1975: Obstruction of Justice and Perjury Conviction (Conviction Side Quest) - John N. Mitchell, John Ehrlichman and H. R. Haldeman convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and perjury.
  • November 4, 1975: Cleaning House - Ford replaces several Nixon cabinet members in the "Halloween Massacre", engineered by Ford aide Donald Rumsfeld. Richard Cheney, George H. W. Bush and Brent Scowcroft join Ford administration; Rumsfeld becomes Secretary of Defense; Henry Kissinger remains as Secretary of State but not National Security Advisor.

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evilweasel posted:

Democrats have won two state legislative elections in districts that went for Trump:

https://twitter.com/NYWFP/status/867201289888960512

https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/867174605693255684

(for clarity, in New York you can run as a nominee of multiple parties, she's a nominee of the democrats AND the working families party)

Turnout was like 15% down from 65% in the general. But it flipped from 60R/40D to 60D/40R. 20 point shift.

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Technically true!

Fix - v. - informal: to spay, neuter, or castrate

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H.R. 1628, as passed by the House, would tend to increase such premiums before 2020, relative to those under current law—by an average of about 20 percent in 2018 and 5 percent in 2019, as the funding provided by the act to reduce premiums had a larger effect on pricing.

This is kinda big. Larger premium increase in 2018 than the current law by 20%(!!!) during an election year.

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Rigel posted:

This was the surprise. We kinda expected it would cover slightly more people than the original bill and save a bit less money, but I don't know that anyone including the GOP expected a 20% premium hike in 2018.

It's not a 20% premium hike.

Next year, the high end estimate is 20-30% increase in premiums for the ACA.

The CBO forcast is 20-30% + an additional 20% premium hike.

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White non-college educated voters aged 50-64 can shout fake news all they want. The insurance company is just going to say pay us $12,000 or GTFO.

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Covok posted:

This thing will pass the Senate. Just like last time some Republicans will be given a hall pass. But Pence will laugh as he confirms the vote with his tie breaker. This is Devos 2.0.

I've been telling people that Republicans will try to kill as many people as possible while they have power. No one believed me. This bill confirms it as will it's confirmation in the Senate.

There is no filibuster. There is no hope. Republicans will retain the senate in 2018.

This is reality.

This bill doesn't start saving money for the average premium until 2021 or after. In the meanwhile, premiums will increase +25% on top of any predicted Obamacare premium increases. The forecast is basically +50-70% premiums in 2020 from 2017 premiums. This will crush the Republican Party. White non-educated working class aged 50-64 went for Trump like 65/35.

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Evil Fluffy posted:

They should at least strive to take a rich rear end in a top hat or 3 with them.


Just in time for the midterm elections to get underway! :gop:


If the GOP can't do better in the midterms than they're doing right now in special elections any Senator who doesn't regularly win by 20+ points is at risk next year.

The GOP needs to be destroyed, completely and utterly.


USA Today showing Fox News the proper way to do propaganda and spin. :eyepoop:


That isn't going to be a negative to his voters in Montana.

Not only 2018. 2020 too. This is a plan where all the savings are backloaded. In the meantime, it's going to be worse with a 20% increase compared to Obamacare in 2018 and a 25% net increase compared to Obamacare in 2020.

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Rigel posted:

What is wrong with a AUMF?

I know about the saying of "Never get involved in a land war in Asia" but has anyone ever tried two land wars in Asia? Sometimes you have to go deeper into the cave to dig yourself out.

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Arrgytehpirate posted:

I started work this week so I'm not really following everything but today was

CBO came out and was bad as expected
Trump told someone where we have subs continuing his pattern of making GBS threads all over NatSec
I'm pretty sure he told that crazy Filipino president gj on his war on drugs
He's really tired

Did I miss anything?

Met the Pope and somehow made people feel really sympathetic to Sean Spicer by not letting Spicer meet the Pope

Special election is tomorrow

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Montana is a weird East Coast state. This may help him depending on the audio.

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Dirt posted:

He's still gonna win.

If anything Republican voters probably approve of body slamming journalists.

Gianforte is running on a pro AHCA platform.

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Knifegrab posted:

Without a video Gianforte will claim the reporter made an aggressive move towards him.

And then Gianforte fled his own campaign event because he was afraid for his life.

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There's a decent chance that TV camera was recording too. Hell of a scoop for whichever TV channel.

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Bishounen Bonanza posted:

You might be the one who needs to go outside and interact with other people. A fair amount of the people I interact with on a daily basis would say that liberal reporter deserved it, and the rest don't give a poo poo one way or the other. There is nothing nihilistic about confronting the truth. Most Americans either don't care or approve of the creeping fascism.

The way it gets reported will matter. A headline of "Gianforte responds to question about AHCA by attacking reporter; flees Campaign HQ to evade arrest" can't be spun positively.

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Gianforte seeks to break into WWF. Will wrestle as The Radical Slammic Terrorist

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This story is clearly fake news. He wasn't body slammed. He was choke slammed.

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Aug 5, 2001

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Fox News is going to give the footage to their local Montana affiliates and start looping that video at 6AM MDT.

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glowing-fish posted:

Arkansas is an Eastern state. End of story.

If Arkansas is such an Eastern state, why was it in the Southwest Conference? Michigan is also another example; they're the champions of the West.

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The charge could get upgraded if the reporter has a hairline fracture of his elbow. He's getting XRays.

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You guys are stretching. Aggravated / felony assault means you used a weapon or really screwed them up.

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Rick Wilson ranting about Republicans cheering on political violence towards reporters. What a strange world

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Mustached Demon posted:

Maybe one will body slam him through a table.

There any body builder leaders?

Jesse Ventura

Arnold

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alpha_destroy posted:

Is Spiegel the German Onion? Say its the German Onion.

Edit: gently caress, it's not. Wowowowow

It's the German equivalent of the NYT

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Harrow posted:

Wow, that Clinton dip :eyepop:

Turns out getting 4 ATF agents killed on live television then demolishing the entire compound with tanks and a fire breaking out with a bunch of men, women, and children inside destroys your popularity.

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Greg Stillson was totally justified using that baby. The baby is going to grow up to be a Democrat who wants to take our guns and how else are we supposed to protect ourselves from outlaws with guns?

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Waco dude

It ended on April 19 and a bunch of news came out how the government screwed up really bad and may have burnt it down intentionally.

Lote fucked around with this message at 21:34 on May 25, 2017

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farraday posted:

You seem to have problems with math. Wave happened in April and Clinton hit bottom at the end of May. In point of fact Waco dropped him from his high down to around 50% and then travelgate knocked him to his low.

Gallup only measured approval ratings every two weeks back then. Waco took him from 55% to 45% between the end of April and mid May

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Chilichimp posted:

My dad got some tape of a documentary film that I remember being sort of like an CSB video. I was like 10 years old and he made all of us watch that poo poo.

Even today all I can sum it up as was "unhinged".

I was 7 when Waco happened and looking back it's my first political memory. Coverage of it was on more than cartoons. Also no one had cable back then. The main sources of news were newspapers and local TV news. There wasn't this constant barrage of news 24/7.

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farraday posted:

Which still wasn't his low, which, as measured by Gallop 4 weeks later Jun 5-6 at 37% after Travelgate. But please tell me more about how it was Waco.

You're telling me that Clinton firing 7 people that he didn't appoint, who worked for the White House Travel Office, with a given reason of financial irregularities, THIS is a blockbuster scandal that would drop Clinton 10 approval points 2 weeks after they get fired?

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QuoProQuid posted:

as an addendum to my previous posts, let me just emphasize that quist is a banjo-playing political newcomer with tax problems and a tendency to put his foot in his mouth at the worst possible moments. the democratic party has spent relatively little money on this race compared to its opponents. half of the president's administration have descended upon the state to campaign for their candidate.

somehow, despite all these advantages, strategists were freaking out about a potential upset before yesterday's body slam. people should not feel disappointed even if gianforte wins, because this district was not meant to be competitive.

Better a foot in the mouth than a fist :v:

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Rigel posted:

and for the compared to governor map, the dem won by 4. So, that map doesnt need to be blue, but it does need to be at least the lightest shade of pink.

The result of this race won't be known until at least the morning. Decision desk is saying Gianforte is doing 4-5% better.

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Bueno Papi posted:

53% turnout for a special election is pretty good.

Also there are like 30 precincts left that are super heavy Democratic. Should end up being around a 6.5% loss which is comparable to the KS-4 result.

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So crazy that it just might work?

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Ekster posted:

This feels like a what-if scenario where Nixon is retarded.

Also a secret Communist

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I'm pretty sure the investigation is going to be cracked wide open after Trump straight up admits it over Twitter or computers get handed over and "Russia Email Hack Agreement.doc" is still in he Recycle Bin.

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Groovelord Neato posted:

jared kushner is the only person who's failed up harder than trump.

Erik Trump is smiling in a human fashion because his incompetence has gone unnoticed.

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hanales posted:

If this story is completely true, is there any legal reason they could use to wrangle out of this sort of news?

They don't have to do anything. All they have is slam dunk perjury. Jared will claim ignorance and it will go away. Nothing will happen until the investigation finds Russian money involved. There is always a paper trail. These bombshells are very useful because they keep the investigation fire going.

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