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HBS's Battletech game releases April 24th 2018!. Less than a month to go. What is Battletech? It began life as a tabletop game in the 80s, eventually migrating to PC and gave birth to the Mechwarrior series of games. It's about giant, stompy robots piloted by nobles and mercenaries in a sort of quasi "Mad Max in space" future. Mechwarrior has culminated in Mechwarrior Online, a Free-To-Play Arena Shooter. PGI, the makers of MWO have provided their 3D models for their Mechs to be used in this game. For those of you with a low opinion of PGI, the good news is that this is the only input they've had in the making of HBS' Battletech. This game in particular, is a turn-based squad tactical game with a Mercenary Company management element set in the 3025 era of Battletech. Which means NO CLANS. In the campaign you don't just have to fight battles with your Mechs, you have to purchase, repair and salvage Mechs as you go. You control a single lance of Mechs, a lance is 4 Mechs. You can hire artillery and air support, or vehicle (tanks) support. You have a massive, mobile base called the Argo that allows you to store up to 12 active Mechs and effectively unlimited storage of inactive Mechs. But it costs time and money to re-activate a Mech. The purpose it serves is so that you don't have to throw away a salvaged Mech because you already have your 12.  The sole failure state for the single-player campaign, per the developers, is bankruptcy. You can lose battles all you want, so long as you don't run out of money. Of course, losing will facilitate the loss of that money eventually. Also, it is important to note, this game is not and was never intended to be a direct port of the tabletop Battletech rules. They've departed from them in many ways, details of which I'll go into later in this post. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1365402907 This is a basic tactics guide for the game. Written by a man named Eck. Eck works for Harebrained Schemes, the developers of this game, he's notable for being undefeated in the office against other players. He's really, really drat good. So good there's an acheivement for playing him or someone who has played him. Read this, it'll help. If you're still asking yourself, "Okay, but what is Battletech? Never heard of it.", I would suggest SkyShadowing's Cliff Notes post further down this page. Even shorter version is, it's 3025 and humanity has reverted to Space Feudalism. There are 5 major Houses (arranged like a wheel, for the most part, if they border each other they hate each other), a number of smaller powers, pirates, mercenaries and ComStar. ComStar is basically Space AT&T, but with an agenda. Those of you familiar with Battletech/Mechwarrior are probably going to ask yourselves "Is there a Mechlab, can I customize my Mechs?". Well, good news, you can and we already know some details about it thanks to the Official forums at http://www.battletechgame.com  The Devs have stated that the Mechlab will be similar to, but not a copy of that from Mechwarrior Online. In HBS:BT there will be 4 types of hardpoints: Energy - This includes the Medium Laser, Large Laser and PPC. Missile - SRMs and LRMs Ballistic - This covers all varieties of Autocannon. The AC/2, AC/5, AC/10 and AC/20 Support - This one is new, for those familiar with the franchise. Here you find your Small Lasers, Flamers and Machine Guns. In order to give the various weapon types their own interesting flavor, HBS has added various modifiers to them. Autocannons were not only buffed vs Tabletop (Instead of an AC-2/5/10/20 setup, in TT terms it translates to a 5/9/12/20 but with armor, structure and damage all multiplied by 5) they now have a Recoil factor. If you fire the same AC two rounds in a row, on the 2nd round it incurs a -10% penalty to hit. That penalty disappears if you hold fire with that weapon for 1 round. Lasers have an inherent +5% bonus to hit. Flamers both do damage and add heat to the target. However, in Beta, each Flamer could only be fired 3 times per match. MGs have a crazy high Crit boost, makes them pretty effective against armor-stripped sections and cockpits. PPCs actually incur a To-Hit penalty to the target, so when you hit something with a PPC you actually make its weapons have a 5% lower chance to hit home. This doesn't stack, however, so hitting with all 3 PPCs from an Awesome doesn't incur triple the penalty. All weapons receive a +5% to hit when mounted in the arms. Support weapons are also notable because, in this game you must choose to either fire your weapons or engage in a Melee attack (that's right, your robots can Punch, Kick and "DFA"). Support weapons are the exception to that rule, when you engage in a Melee attack your support weapons will fire to add extra damage to your attack. That's right, punching and kicking in giant robots. aniviron posted:Don't worry, I've got you covered: What is a DFA you might ask? It stands for 'Death From Above' and describes a risky and insane manuever where your Mech jumps through the air and attempts to land on an enemy unit. And it's in this game! If you're familiar with MWO, there's going to be a lot missing in this Mechlab that might take some getting used to. There is no Ferro-Fibrous armor or Endosteel structure (weight saving upgrades, for those unfamiliar), there are also no Double Heatsinks, Gauss Rifles or Streak SRMs. Engines are also locked, so the base speed of a Mech cannot be changed (significantly, at least) and you can't make a Mech slower in order to mount more/bigger weapons on it. You can however, fit jumpjets to any Mech so long as you free up the required tonnage by removing weapons, armor or heatsinks. There aren't just mechs though. There are vehicles, including tanks, that you'll also fight on the battlefield. Don't make the mistake of thinking these aren't dangerous either. https://giant.gfycat.com/LimpingWanAmericanbittern.webm Just recently System Requirements were added to the Steam page for this game, they are as follows: System Requirements posted:WINDOWS MINIMUM: So there's the technical jargon you need to know about this game. For HBS:BT they've departed from the tabletop turn structure (everyone moves in order of initiative, then everyone shoots) and gone with something quite different. I'll quote myself from the old thread here. Q_res posted:Each turn is divided into 5 Phases, counting down from 5 to 1. Lights activate in Phase 4, Mediums in 3, Heavies in 2 and Assaults in 1. You can 'Reserve' your Mechs to a later phase, except the Assaults because there is no later phase. But you must move any Mechs you wish to in a given Phase before you Reserve, because once you hit that button it reserves all Mechs that haven't taken an action in the current phase. There's a pilot skill that allows your Mechwarrior to activate 1 phase earlier (hence Phase 5, for Lights with that skill). You can see this in action by watching these gameplay videos of the Beta Multiplayer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt6FatHHnzI HBS Beta Multiplayer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lMNAJ8ZdA 1v1 Skirmish PDXCON 2017 That's right, this game does include multiplayer. It's a simple 1v1 Skirmish mode, up to 4 Mechs per player. As multiplayer was the last stretch goal of the Kickstarter campaign, it's fairly barebones. However, this means that there are no unlocks. All Mechs and all weapons are available to you from the start, so at least there's zero barrier of entry. You won't get your rear end kicked just because someone has been playing it for 4 months and has unlocked all the cool poo poo you can't use. Your Mech pilots have basic stats Piloting, Gunnery, Guts, and Tactics. Pilot and Gunnery are right out of tabletop, but here things are flipped and higher numbers are better. Warning for tabletop veterans: Skills do not work like they do in Tabletop. They’re a 1-10 scale with higher numbers being better. Each skill has abilities it provides, you get to choose 1 skill as a 'Specialization' and 1 as an 'Expertise'. So you get the low-level ability from 1 skill (your Specialization) and 2 abilities from another (your Expertise). Here's what we're looking at based on what we know so far. Specialization = 5 point ability in that skillset Expertise = 5 & 8 point abilities in that skillset Piloting: 5 - Evasive Movement - Your Mech generates an extra Evasive charge/pip up to the maximum of 6. 8 - Ace Pilot - Your Mech can move after shooting if it hasn't yet moved this turn. Tactics: 5 - Sensor Lock - Select a target within sensor range and reveal it until end of the current round, and remove 2 Evasive charges/pips 8 - Master Tactician - Mechs piloted by this Mechwarrior receive +1 Initiative (move 1 phase earlier) and remove 1 bar of Stability damage when reserving. Guts: 5 - Bulwark - Gain Guarded when stationary. 50% damage reduction to ranged attacks from the front and sides. 8 - Juggernaut - When you melee attack a target it receives -1 Initiative (moves one phase later). Gunnery: 5 - Multi-Targeting - Fire weapons at up to 3 targets within this Mechs current firing arc. 8 - Breaching Shot - Attacks with a single weapon ignore Cover and Guarded on the target. Bonus: Those Gunnery skills stack, so you can get Breaching Shot on Multiple targets if you bring something like an Awesome, Trebuchet or Catapult. Also good for Mechs with both short and long range weaponry. And since this brought up the topic of Evasive charges/pips, I should probably explain those. As you move you build up Evasion, this is displayed in the form of sideways pointing chevrons by the name of your Mech. Each chevron is worth a +2 to your To-Hit calculations. Which roughly translates to a 10% reduction in your chances to actually score a hit. You can build a maximum of 6 pips, Sensor Lock removes 2 of them. Melee ignores the first 4 Evasive chevrons (DFA ignores the first 3) and Evasive Move lets you build 1 extra (up to 6). Now, back to the campaign. This game takes place in a region known as the Aurigan Reach, out in the Rimward Periphery.  This means you're effectively off, away from most of the big players of the Inner Sphere (the collective term for the various human powers throughout the known galaxy). This setting was chosen so that HBS could play around a little and not step on established Battletech canon. They have said, however, that the major powers (Lyran Commonwealth, Federated Suns, Draconis Combine, Free Worlds League and Capellan Confederation) would all have a part to play in the storyline. The basic outline of the story is that this lady  and her family were in charge of a nation known as the Aurigan Coalition. Her father's right hand man, Santiago Espinosa, worked for him for decades before pulling off a coup. Usurping the throne and renaming it the Aurigan Directorate. Now she's working to fight and get back what was taken from her. And you're basically her go-to guy for getting the tough work done. However, once the story is completed you can continue to play through procedurally generated missions, continuing to build up your Mercenary Company. In fact, you can drop in and out of the story as you please to take unrelated missions. Unfortunately, the storyline isn't a branching, reactive one. You can't choose to work for the Directorate. If you've read through all that, you're probably at least a little bit interested in this game. But if you're still not sure, here are some videos for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HereJw4XP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJiPxCS1yvs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxqmd_tE2WI Pre-orders are up at Steam, GOG.com, the Paradox store and other websites. Invite link for the new Discord https://discord.gg/2HPsdKSyyD Now with 100% less Nazi loving admins. Q_res fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Oct 7, 2021 |
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Since this question gets asked frequently.anakha posted:Which system tags should I be looking for to get the heavy metal guns and upgrades? The full roster of Mechs (38 base chassis and 12 variants for a total of 50 distinct Mech options. By the last count given to ), below is a list of the Mech chassis confirmed by the Devs so far. Variants that were present in Beta are listed in parentheses. quote:LIGHT Here's a very, very exhaustive spreadsheet of all the Mechs available. Including Speed, Melee damage, hardpoint layouts and thanks to our very own Gwaihir prices for Skirmish mode. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cxms21xRmnb1WhbNDSowoKwl7zeDQMbVoPWQMH-pI3Q/edit#gid=0 There's a thread for the tournament now, and prizes!  There's also a wiki that provides information and tips on modding the game. http://btmodding.warriorsblood.com/index.php?title=Main_Page Moderator and thread title ruiner sebmojo posted a handy little tweak for the game. sebmojo posted:Remove pause tweak Q_res fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Dec 31, 2019 |
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OP updated, added a link to buy into the Beta and to PTN's LP of Battletech tabletop. Also added the melee gifs and filled out the 2nd post with some Beta-specific information. edit: Also added a little bit that we know of Pilot Skills. Q_res fucked around with this message at 22:05 on May 24, 2017 |
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Phrosphor posted:I am legit excited for this, looking forward to next weekend. We're getting the 1X. So it'll have the 7.5 ton E.W.E (ghetto ECM/BAP)
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Beta-related update just hitHBS posted:Hey everyone,
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BenRGamer posted:Well, that assumes they're specifically taking it away, they could just be shutting down the multiplayer aspect. From the way they spoke about it, I don't imagine the single player requires you to log into anything. For what it's worth, they were specifically asked about whether singleplayer Skirmish would still be available after the Beta "went dark" and they were... non-committal Mitch Gitelmen posted:As we get closer to the end of Beta, we'll send out a Kickstarter Update with any additional information like an answer to your question. So it could go either way.
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May 26, 2017 06:03
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To be fair, a poo poo ton of devs treat Betas that way. It's worth noting, after every match the game is going to pop up a survey for you. HBS is treating Beta players as actual testers.
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May 27, 2017 22:37
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Right now it's tentatively set for "late summer/early fall"
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May 28, 2017 15:29
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Skirmish only was always the plan for the Backer Beta, all the way back to 2015 during the initial Kickstarter campaign. So treating it like some sort of bad sign is really weird. I mean, I doubt they'll actually hit "late summer/early fall" but I think it's pretty pessimistic to think they can't get this game out within the next 6 months.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:
Literally nobody freaked out at you, all I said was that it seemed (overly) pessimistic. I think you're being a touch sensitive about a reasonable, calmly stated disagreement. Zaodai posted:It's the third or fourth time someone has posted a calm but not-roses-and-sunshine opinion, and every time it gets responded to as if people are preaching the end of the world. Just ignore them, there is no point in trying to explain a dissenting opinion, it will bring out "SO YOU THINK THIS IS A SCAM, HUH?!" people regardless of how minor a thing you point out. 
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May 29, 2017 02:09
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quote:As we said last week, we'll send out a Kickstarter update with more info. So, I'd take this to mean the process is probably at least partially manual. Don't be surprised is some people get access to their keys before you do.
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The email will tell you your key is available, you'll have to access your BackerKit for the actual key.
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Don't worry, it's my first KS too. I'll just quote this from the official forumsquote:Hey folks -- just trying to make sure everyone's super-clear on how to get into BackerKit tomorrow.
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AI is no pushover. Took a lance of a Panther 9R, Vindicator 1R, Griffin 1N and Catapult C1 against a Locust 1S, Shadowhawk 2H, Hunchback 4G and Quickdraw 4G. I probably would have lost if I didn't have to quit because it was draining the battery on my laptop like crazy. Also, how do I verify my laptop is using the right GPU? It has Intel integrated HD graphics and a 4GB Geforce GTX 960M, I was getting single-digit framerates at 1080P "High" and just wanted to make sure it wasn't an issue on my end.
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I stole the Evasive Atlas pilot idea and it worked amazingly well Commando 1B with Sensor Lock Trebuchet with Bulwark Griffin 1S with Master Tactician Atlas with Evasive. vs an Orion 1V, Hunchback 4G, Trebuchet and Urbie Got me my first win, lost the Commando cause I got a little over aggressive with it towards the end. Took out the Mediums, then the Orion with an AC/20 to the face before they ganged up on the poor Urbie. Early on I nailed the Urbie with both LRMs from the Treb and it spent the rest of the match holding the Urbie back and trying to snipe with the AC/10.
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I feel like I might have "solved" the AI. I've been putting the OpFor on Random and this last match I didn't lose a single Mech. Not even my Commando. Though my Vindicator did lose its LT and LA.
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Rhymenoserous posted:The Centurion is really turning out to be a MVP, and I'm in love with the battlemasters ability to just beat the hell out of things at mid range. I do not like the vindicator at all though. The Treb is in a really drat good spot, in the campaign with access to the MechLab I'm going to find one and ditch 1 ML for another ton of LRM ammo. I used one with the bulwark skill earlier, so it just stood in some water launching all the missiles and bracing every turn.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Missiles and Autocannons are fine, PPCs could be safely bumped up to AC/10 damage (75) from their current AC/5 damage (50). I think lasers are in a pretty alright place, small lasers are king poo poo of tiny weapon mountain, and nothing's got flamers yet but I'm eagerly awaiting them. Mediums feel a little anemic at times but they're so ubiquitous I feel that's alright, and larges do respectable damage for their heat. The Swayback feels just as threatening as the standard Hunchback to face, it just runs a lot hotter. I'd mostly agree with you here, ACs don't really need any changes. But Missiles, maybe tone down the stability damage just a hair. Bump the PPC to 60 dmg. Completely agree on the ML and SL, not sure how I feel about the LL right now. MGs are garbage, but that's to be expected.
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JacksLibido posted:-what's the point of firing in your first "action" section? Do I get a bonus to aim for not moving? Why would I not MOVE then shoot? Terrain seems to be of no concern other than forests, so why not move just for the sake of moving? There's a pilot ability called Bulwark. If you don't move it gives you the same bonus as the Brace action. But where Brace lets you move and then Brace for the bonus, Bulwark lets you stand still and fire and still get the bonus.
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Think of it like this, a Light Mechs first job is to not get shot.
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Okay, so preliminary "official" skill ranking. Agree? Good Skills: Bulwark - 50% damage reduction when you remain stationary. I'm a big fan of this on missile boats, park one in some water and just sling lurms until you run out. Master Tactician - +1 Initiative and removes the Unsteady state when you reserve the Mech. You get to move one phase earlier, plus you can empty your stability bar at essentially no cost. Great skill on Medium Mechs. Sensor Lock - Grants your Mech Line-of-Sight to a target it otherwise wouldn't have LoS to and scrubs the Evasive state and defense modifiers from the target. A well played, well positioned Light with this skill can win you a game. Evasive Move - When you move you gain the Evasive state, 50% chance to dodge all incoming ranged attacks until your next turn. Doesn't affect Melee or apply when you have the Unsteady state. Slap this on a heavily armored Mech and you turn it into an absolute damage tank. It's probably a little OP, actually. Bad Skills: Multi-Target - Fire at up to 3 target within your firing arc. Pretty straight forward, just not that actually useful in practice. Usually you're better off saving the heat and just sticking to one target, imo. Precision Strike - When you attack with only one weapon you will ignor the Cover or Guarded states on the target. Potentially useful on the Griffin 1N, Hunchback 4G and Panther. And that's pretty much loving it. Angel of Death - Jump Distance of your Mech is increased by 25% and you take 50% less damage when you execute a Death From Above attack. You also do not gain the Unsteady state after performing a DFA. Definitely the best of the 2nd tier skills, the main downside is that you pay for that increased jump distance with an even more severe heat penalty when you jump.
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It can be hard to spot, but when you have your Light selected, there's a blue/teal ring around it that tells you your sensor range. You can use Sensor Lock without getting as close to the enemy as you might think.
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canepazzo posted:Is there some kind of combat log in game / is one planned? I feel like a combat log would be awesome for this. They mentioned something about doing a combat log before. I think someone asked about video replays, which they said no to, but claimed they'd do a combat log.
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Click the spot you want to move to, then hover over the target. Hit 'ESC' to back out and do it with another spot. edit: Zaodai has it right. Moving is a 2-click affair. You choose a destination and then a facing, as long as you don't choose a facing you can back out the way I described. Q_res fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Skippy McPants posted:The thing that annoys me most about the Awesome is that it doesn't have the heat management to fire the 3/2/3 pattern the mech is known for. It seems perfectly capable of doing 3/2/2/3 though.
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Jun 3, 2017 06:33
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A green-yellow-red gradient could do a more effective job conveying information, but it'd be a huge pain in the rear end for colorblind players.
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Myrmidongs posted:Melee needs to be selectable as part of an attack action. No game, I don't want to punch that guy in the front where he has full armor, I want to move behind him where he is already down to structure and murder him. I understand simplifying punch vs kick, but not giving players a choice in positioning during melee feels bad. I strongly suspect this was a deliberate design decision to specifically prevent you from just walking around and punching someone in the back because of how devastating it can be. As is, you only get punched in the back if you leave someone behind you.
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Just for the record Daton, I don't think anyone has an issue with 'Evasive' as a result of Sprinting. It's 'Evasive Move' that gives you 'Evasive any time you move (does not apply to backing up, btw) that's problematic. Put that on a heavily armored Mech, keep it in Cover and moving and you get 25% damage reduction and a 50% chance to dodge the attacks. On something like an Atlas, you can weather an absurd amount of damage. When I used it I put my Atlas on point to draw as much fire as I could and the AI still couldn't get a single section of that Mech down to internals. Not even close.
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Section Z posted:So the often good AI, suffers from the fact it can’t “Spot” by hiding behind a mountain going According to one of the devs, the AI only "understands" a couple of the abilities right now. So it can't use most of them.
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and in fact, is forced to scout the old fashioned way? Hmm… I mean, I'm all for giving the players a slight skill usage edge over the AI (an important factor in a campaign setting where you will always be outnumbered in the long run, rather than even skirmishes). But it does highlight the situation further.
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Yeah, I agree. I think Mech selection would be better if it just straight up used the in-game paper doll. That would tell you a sections armor, structure and what it contained simply by hovering your mouse over it.
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JacksLibido posted:That's just retarded though. At that point why don't you just make everybody walk around with stability damage if 1-2 missiles will do 80% of the stability damage 20 will? That's just flat dumb. I tried to think of what you could mean that wasn't stupid, but if it really is that then dude, no. His idea has one, specific advantage to it. It lets you nerf the 15 and 20 without damaging the LRM 5 which already kind of sucks.
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I just played a skirmish where almost all of my Mechs got beat up pretty good. I have a Trebuchet missing an arm and a Locust missing both arms. I'd say that's a good baseline for a "tough mission that went well" in the campaign.
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Phrosphor posted:The laserboat Atlas is playable in the beta right now. It has virtually NO ARMOUR and is setup with ppcs. Way to steal my thunder rear end in a top hat... 
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Phrosphor posted:I really like the look of the Enforcer, it can fire it's LL and AC10 every turn pretty reliably as well. I wasn't very happy with the Enforcer, the decision to reduce shots/ton for ammo kind of hit it hard. I ran out of ammo pretty quickly even taking only good % shots, a good couple turns before I ran out in the Cataphract. The Small Laser does help it be just a little bit more effective in Melee though. Apparently the Wolverine 6R model is present as well, but it's even more unfinished than the Cataphract and Firestarter. As for Best and Worst, looking at it from the perspective of this game only... The Enforcer actually seems kind of bad, as does the Vindicator. Worst Mech, for me, is probably the Panther though. Best Mech, have to say the Griffin 1S is a beast but heat is a bitch in it. So I'm inclined to say the Catapult. LRM 15s are, along with the AC/10, the best weapons in this game right now. Then it has 4 Medium Lasers, good armor, and the jumpjets for DFA. There's just not an engagement envelope where this thing is bad.
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Amechwarrior posted:The Victor definitely has its place in BT, its place isn't "everywhere" like the Orion or Atlas but it makes a great "Stomper" to throw in against 15mil light games. Shows up, knocks you down and jumps away. The Awesome has a place for sure, but long range direct fire in general is weakened in BT vs TT due to the fog of war restrictions and the very hilly/mesa-ish maps we have make the lackluster damage of the PPC not a smart choice. It doesn't help the PPC that they've essentially turned the AC/10 into a no-minimum-range Gauss Rifle.
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Amechwarrior posted:Reading that made me realize that the AC/10 is exactly what the Gauss Rifles BT damage value would be. That's why it's so drat good. Which is why the Urbie is so good, it's practically a Hollander.
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I said "practically"...
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MG Locust is perfectly fine as the cheapest means of getting Sensor Lock on the board. It just shouldn't be shooting anything until you've downed at least one Mech and everything else on the OpFor has at least 1 or 2 stripped sections.
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John Charity Spring posted:Would making PPCs 60 damage do the trick? I've got some use out of them currently but it does seem like a single 50-damage weapon with a big heat impact can be pretty underwhelming. The biggest problem with bumping the PPC to 60 damage (something I've suggested, too) is that it becomes a headcapper (one shot kill on a headshot against a fully armored Mech). Combine that with its very high hit %s and long range... It's problematic. But then, no more problematic than the AC/
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