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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Paperhouse posted:

His opening speech was laughable but he's had some decent rebuttals so far

I don't get why some of the other left parties are attacking Corbyn and Labour on anything :confused: that's not the target man

If the Lib Dems can siphon off enough of Labour's support they can play kingmaker again and get back into coalition with the Tories.

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Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

forkboy84 posted:

Planes are bad for nearby transport. It's just a wasteful way to travel if you're not going hundreds of miles. Britain just isn't a big enough island for it to be a necessity. Especially not if we renationalise the railways and actually make train travel affordable again. It's a loving outrage that it's almost half the cost to fly to London & back from Inverness get a return to London on the train.

High-speed rail is the other way to cut right down on intra-UK flights but of course we can't do that because ~the fields~

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Gonzo McFee posted:

Not appearing in public is probably May's best option.

Also her worst option.

I hope people remember her cowardice at the polling station.

The narrative is already that she's too scared to do interviews, the more times she doesn't turn up the worse it'll get. Even if she just produces mindless soundbites (see that interview with the Plymouth Herald) the media can still talk about Strong And Stable No Deal Better Than A Bad Deal and go back to the Corbyn smear stories. They can't spin her simply not making appearances anything like as easily.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
In my experience it's usually based on how long they've been here. Older first generation and second generation immigrants (usually south Asian and Caribbean) can sometimes get annoyed with recent immigrants (usually Eastern European) because they feel it's a lot easier to immigrate now (which it is, but that's not the fault of the recent immigrants).

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

namesake posted:

My god unless Jeremy has taken up drinking in the last day or there's a member of family of an IRA victim in this audience this already feels like a win for Jeremy.

Don't get me wrong, she's pretty awful to anyone watching, but if she can just keep on spouting meaningless catchphrases and buzzwords the Mail and the Sun will declare her the winner tomorrow morning for the benefit of hundreds of thousands of people who aren't watching right now. The only way she can get negative coverage from the Tory-aligned press is if one of the audience (or Dimbleby :lol:) manages to get in a good solid hit on her, and I don't think that's going to happen.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Random Integer posted:

Like what are the actual concrete details of a scenario where the nuclear deterrence actually does any deterring?

Iran and North Korea are going to nuke us since Corbyn won't nuke them back, obviously.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/870751543431180289

And replying to this with "for a fat loving idiot, this is a new level of inane shithousery. Now kindly gently caress off and keep loving off forever, you total fuckwit" got me another twitter lock. Politics is fun!

The replies are 100% people dunking on him, which is fun.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

forkboy84 posted:

Which has been the story of the Labour Party & PR for just shy of 90 years. loving shortsighted twats.

The problem is that PR very rarely favours the Government so there's very little incentive for whoever's in power to implement it.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Sinteres posted:

Get ready for the far right to convince people the media are afraid to show who the real enemy is if there's a concerted effort there. It's true that the media provide the oxygen that terrorism needs to breathe, but it's also true that people want to know this information, and trying to impose a media blackout will look to many like burying everyone's heads in the sand.

I think a front page saying something like "we're not publishing photos of the perpetrators because we don't want to encourage others to follow in their footsteps" would be well enough received. The problem is getting all the editors to agree to that sort of policy.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

chernobyl kinsman posted:

when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views that directly contradict the foundations of your society it can be a bit tough to keep falling back on "well thats their beliefs and i respect that" yea

Get hosed fascist.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

It's weird that they're refering to London Bridge and Borough Market as seperate events. Aren't they so close that it's extremely likely the same people just went from one to the other?

It's a couple of hundred yards tops, it'd be a massive coincidence if they weren't linked in some way.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Were the Fishermen guilty of manslaughter

What the gently caress is wrong with you.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Wait how many attacks were there? Was the van hit and run guy coordinating with others?

One attack. The van crashed into a crowd of people on London Bridge then drove down to Borough Market where the 3 guys got out and started attacking people.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

What I've gathered from these attacks is that the European Intelligence community is lightyears behind the NSA, CIA, and FBI when it comes to stopping these things.

Doesn't the US suffer multiple mass shootings a week? I wouldn't go patting yourself on the back just because your mass murderers aren't brown.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Thanks Ants posted:

Isn't the alternative to a "shoot to kill" policy a "let the firearms officer make their own decision" policy? Like people are getting bent out of shape because Corbyn favoured the person pulling the trigger to be able to make the decision. Or have I horribly misunderstood?

The "shoot to kill" policy which Corbyn opposes is not "shoot someone who's wearing a bomb vest/holding a gun/knife and is about to do imminent harm to someone", it's "shoot the people we know/believe/vaguely suspect to be terrorists so that they never get as far as possibly harming someone". Of course, the papers immediately spun it as the first option so they could call him a terrorist sympathiser some more.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

The Insect Court posted:

It's not that I disagree with this stance but I do find it an amusing irony that the thread consensus has moved from "It's the fault of our foreign policy, innit?" :jihad: to "They're apocalyptic genocidal cultists who can't be reasoned with, only destroyed!" :kingsley:. Doesn't seem as if you can have both be true.

The foreign policy in question isn't fighting ISIS, it's the use of bombing tactics which result in large numbers of civilian casualties, which ISIS then use in their "Islam v the West" propaganda which results in more Muslims being radicalised.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
"we don't know if any opportunity to prevent this attack was missed" says a BBC report which also interviewed three people who said they'd reported one of the attackers as being radicalised.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

TomViolence posted:

The purpose of the BBC is BBC4, everything else is trash.

Only Connect started on BBC4 so is allowed also.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006



50% turnout 18-34, 66.9% 35-54, 78.3% 55+.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
People on my Facebook arguing that the police advice to run away first is stupid and that people should have the balls to defend themselves against terrorists.

gently caress me some people are stupid.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

namesake posted:

He's ranked 588 out of 648 on the sexiness scale.

But then Jez is only 544....

Where's Theresa?

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
Plus there's a massive correlation between enthusiasm and turnout, and the party leader doing a speech in front of a huge and rapturous crowd is about the best way to generate enthusiasm there is.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Paul McCartney is looking rough these days.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

I'm the guy who had to put a hammer and sickle on Corbyn's hat in case the message was too subtle for the morons it's aimed at.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Raeg posted:

I mean that could easily be chalked up to statistical noise more than anything.

#libdemfightback

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
https://twitter.com/kitlovelace/status/871857758701846529

The gift that keeps on giving.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

spectralent posted:

He's lost an election while having had to fight his party almost as much as the opposition, and will have come drat close. That's not a result that says he's inherently hopeless and could never win, as claimed; that suggests short sighted idiots sabotaged a good thing.

Plus his polls and favourability ratings have shot up since the election campaign, now the public have read the manifesto and seen what he actually stands for, and seen him give speeches and interviews which weren't edited into a 30-second hit piece for the BBC website.

Imagine where he'd be now if he hadn't spent 18 months being portrayed as an unelectable, weak, indecisive, anti-Semitic Communist by members of the media and of his own party.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Namtab posted:

So is it good weather or bad weather that's bad for Corbyn on polling day

I think we're relying on really good youth turnout, so good weather would be better. Although if a tornado or something were to strike the Home Counties that'd be OK too.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

That's a double negative. He hates the ionised.

They're too reactionary for him.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
The sooner print media dies off entirely, the better.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

jBrereton posted:

Ca, c'est mal pour Corbyn.

N'importe qui, mais pas Corbyn.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
Arguing on Facebook with someone who won't vote Labour because he says Seumas Milne's a Stalinist.

I can't wait for this loving election to be over (except for the 5 years of Tory darkness which come immediately afterwards)

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Extreme0 posted:

Is that someone you're friend or family? Disown them.

He's just a random, I got drawn into a mutual friend's argument, because I'm a moron.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

TheRat posted:

Is Marr dying? He's looking really loving ill

Nick Robinson certainly sounds like he is.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

axeil posted:

I am dumb. Who is she and is her being in trouble good/bad for Labour?

Tory Home Secretary. Would be a massive scalp for Labour if she goes.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

NRVNQSR posted:

So would Sturgeon confidence+supply a minority Tory government in exchange for IndyRef2?

Absolutely no chance. A huge part of their support is because they're not Tories.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Tsietisin posted:

Do we have a discord/IRC/0898 party line chat going on?

#ukgoons on Synirc.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Josh Lyman posted:

This Tory guy on BBC is a complete and utter twat.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Gort posted:

If the entire country was Newcastle and Sunderland it'd probably be almost tolerable

Greggs every 100 metres.

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Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

bessantj posted:

If that's 15 to the Tories is that the thumping victory that has been predicted?

Not even close.

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