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Sep 12, 2010



Just caught up. Good writing, though recently there's been a lot of telling instead of showing/timeskips with 4th wall breaking/ important information gated behind the"here's how the rolls went" sections. I don't know if the earlier parts got edited to flow better or if IP just get fed up with the slow pace. I like a slower, more detailed pace much better myself.

For example, it was pretty jarring going from "Okay, Julie, hold on a minute" to "Now Julie is in a mental institution." Did I miss a post, or what?

Overall, though, it's better fiction than most genre fare and better than licensed pulp fiction. The character interactions/reintroductions/normal behavior are the best part.

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Sep 12, 2010



Ah, I wanted to ask: has Sasha asked "Can I have a cable to plug directly into my cyberdeck in my cabin?"

Earlier, the spell was specifically mentioned as counteracting wireless. So, just plug in. If they say no, just go invisible and splice into the feed to the trideo in the common area. Shadowrunners have to have tools to surreptitiously splice into hard networks, so Kenji should be able to help hook Sasha up if asked.

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Sep 12, 2010



Also, even if Julie can't astrally project yet, can Chip send letters for and from her and the pack on the island? Maybe he could grab her a copy of "Astral projection for dummies" to read in the off hours.

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Sep 12, 2010



Julie should spend the extra time wisely and study something useful, not just sit around bored waiting for corporate psychologists to "observe" her until they figure out what diagnosis will maximize their charges while minimizing their work.

At least Julie's got enough baggage that she doesn't need to talk about the riot/vision. She won't run out of other terrible things to talk about in only two weeks.

If she could astrally project she could visit friends at home, at least. Letters through Chip are the next best thing.

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Sep 12, 2010



sheep-dodger posted:

I generally agree with this. Perhaps, if Kenji wants to develop the two as contacts into the Tir elven community, he could ask if it would be okay to bring a friend along, and bring Oli? The two seem nice enough and Oli needs some friends outside of the protagonist group. Oli can also help him move off of topics he wants to avoid, just by switching the conversation to her and her abilities.
We could also tie the suggestion to bring some food into that by having Kenji and Oli prepare a dish together, since Oli has some magic-powered proficiency in cooking.

(also: Ice might want to consider changing Olisha's name when he does the first full editing pass, as having two characters with such similar names can be confusing, especially when they appear in relation with each other.

This

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Sep 12, 2010



Hopefully we can get a read on whether the noble kids are "incredibly sheltered" nice or "Of course we should be kind to actual people, and better protect them from the sub-elven monsters" nice.

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Sep 12, 2010



How does skill deterioration work in shadowrun? Is there any system for it?

I'd imagine there isn't, but it makes sense to houserule something that seems realistic.

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Sep 12, 2010



I, too, vote for keeping Mr. Markowitz incompetent, in a "Was good in a completely different situation but now displays a complete inability to read the situation or adapt" kind of way. There should be an interesting reason for how he was able to stumble into this job, and rather than just having him killed, the rich students he annoys should do something like framing him for hitting someone close to him with a car, or something like that.

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Sep 12, 2010



So far there have been a few dark intimations that fire bringer is abusive and that there is going to be terrible trouble because of him, but I haven't seen him/it do or say anything that I wouldn't wholeheartedly support. When does the fire really start burning? Soon, I hope.

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Sep 12, 2010



I was the most curious about Fire Bringer, but I'm not reading the spoilers. I appreciate you using the spoiler tags, I'll have to remember to come back after we get to the in-story reveals.

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Sep 12, 2010



Krupa's "you are being just as bad as them if you defend against people who hurt the innocent or make them feel bad" is at best cowardice and at worst actively enables evil.

Make her understand this, and if she won't, make her stay away.

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Sep 12, 2010



Kenji helps.

Can he or Krupa contact Julian or Mother Bear quickly and ask them for help?

Can spirits that can fly carry spirits of man there faster? Maybe Coach would be more willing to allow student help that way, since it keeps students on the island completely?

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Sep 12, 2010



Kenji would totally help... For a major favor from Krupa. If she's not going to like us, she might as well owe us.

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Sep 12, 2010



Only slightly abridge the gun porn, it serves a purpose but drags a little.

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Sep 12, 2010



VanSandman posted:

I don’t know, I think 4 million might be too low. Isn’t one of the unemphasized parts of Shadowrun that the urban sprawl has gotten really bad because formerly rural land is often crawling with potentially hostile spirits?

I never knew that (Only played the recent shadowrun PC games.) All rural areas are full of jRPG random encounters?

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Sep 12, 2010



Reminds me of Neo Scavenger.

I'll re-read the first book, must be a lot of content added if it increased in size that much. I thought sizes usually decreased from editing!

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Sep 12, 2010



1. Bank the favor
2. Prioritize Fixing
3. Go courting with an eye to develop more fixer contacts even if the romantic part doesn't work out

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Sep 12, 2010



Fixers meet people and develop contacts.

Successful fixers meet successful people and develop powerful contacts.

Not many of those powerful people are going to be good people, but Kenji will still work with them, because he's a pragmatic person.

Kenji is not going to turn up his nose at getting involved with the Tir crew. He is, and should be, extremely wary of *owing* anything to them, but he'll take whatever benefits and contacts he can get. Just don't make any promises.

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Sep 12, 2010



So, we basically ask Saanvi more about what she'd rather do in her future in a purely hypothetical way, and set up another date sometime for now? I don't know if we can do much more for her in the short term, other than question Joyce about her and her future.

I suppose we could go all-in and collaborate with Olisha or other people who hate Tir to extract Saanvi and humiliate her family and Joyce in the longer term. We'd need, just to start, Saanvi's enthusiastic cooperation for that, which will require more feeling out to secure.

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Sep 12, 2010



Killing them is morally and practically worse than humiliating and disgracing them.

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Sep 12, 2010



Ice Phisherman posted:

Whoops, sorry. Forgot that Kenji isn't specifically going on the run as he's retired. He'll still need to make some introductions and he's going to be with Joyce for much of the rest of the day. Slight edit to the choice. Does he recruit her, y/n?

Yes, getting her involved may be the best way to get Tir to kick her out of Paladinhood and accomplish most goals. Get her informed consent first, of course.

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Sep 12, 2010



RickVoid posted:

Pissing off, disgracing, whatever an abuser doesn't stop them from abusing. It's not some magical thing that makes them shuffle of by themselves and leave everyone alone, forever (Oh, sorry, sorry, I'll just go shall I). Walking away from an abuser and cutting them out of your life successfully is great- for you. People who abuse others unconsciously seek out other people to hurt, whether that's emotionally, physically, or sexually.

Right now we deal with this by trying to get lesser offenders to realize that they have a problem and to seek help, which is great. Major offenders get locked away which is bad because they get to keep abusing people who you may feel do or do not deserve it, but at least they're not out here hurting us, right?

The Patel's aren't going to seek help.
The Patel's aren't going to face "justice", if legal justice is even acheivable in this setting.

Can't hurt someone if you're dead.

Doesn't have to be some revenge torture fest. Just a simple "On behalf of metahumanity, we're revoking your membership". Then you hit 'em with the tranquillizer overdose and they just go to sleep. Like an animal.

Disgracing them removes their power to interfere, which comes primarily from their position in Tir society. Killing them puts us at odds with Tir society. If you must kill them, at least disgrace them first so that we don't put too much of a target on our back.

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Sep 12, 2010



CourValant posted:

Yeah, in hindsight we should have realized that conversation with Joyce wasn’t private.


Oh. Boy.

This is difficult for me to read, and not for the reason you think. My primary perspective on these issues have neem on the male side; its jarring and very disturbing to see how this possibly plays out on with the other gender.

So, Ice, ummm, thanks?


It’ll be alright dear, Doggie Promise.


Kenny plans the run against Human Nation, and, does not include Saanvi.

I’m offering the dissenting opinion not just to be contrarian; I think it’s ultimately the best way to befriend and ‘deprogram’ Saanvi.

We want to prove to Saanvi that we want to be her friend, no strings attached. We want to prove to her that she’s worthy of love and respect as a person. We want to show her that all the pain and suffering she suffered for his sister is noticed and appreciated.

Which to me means we don’t even give off the suspicion of wanting anything more from her than her humanity (elf-manity?). Not her money, not her sex, and certainly not her skillset.

Maybe in time, once we’ve established a friendly relationship, and she asks for our help again in an ‘extraction’, we can lay those options out for her.

Until then, its letters and omelets and bao.

The best way to approach it may be to say to Saanvi, "I am not asking for your help with this run, but I wanted to give you the opportunity or choice to get more involved if you want. Our interests may coincide here."

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Sep 12, 2010



Cannon_Fodder posted:

As military for Tir, it's a poor idea to put her in that position. If she fucks up or if something goes wrong, it could be terrible for her sister and for Joyce.

That's uh... that's the idea. Joyce has put her/us in a position where either we end up as his thralls or as his enemies. I assume Kenji doesn't want to end up as a magic elven SS officer, so we need to prepare for conflict.

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Sep 12, 2010



Ice Phisherman posted:

Depressed lately. I'm dealing with a round of writer's block. I've been sitting inside for a bit due to the hurricane, but my depression stretches before that. It just didn't make it any easier. I'm stuck on the next scene and I really want to move past it as I've been storyboarding beyond it, but I'm just not having much fun writing it and gritting my teeth to write it is like pulling teeth.

It's a slump. Slumps happen in writing.

Interlude time? Maybe check in with Julie, since it's been a while, or some other perspective shift. I've always found when hit with writer's block that it's time to just force out fluff/trash/anything, and probably cut most of it later.

Sorry, I know that doesn't actually help, I just thought that seeing a post every few days would be marginally less mental weight(though still annoying) than no posts.

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Sep 12, 2010



Is there an option to buy a bunch of energy drinks, sleep like 3 hours a night, and get half as much extra done instead? Why are we doing this again?

Don't use the long haul

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Sep 12, 2010



I guess the choice becomes what are we going to sacrifice if we don't Long Haul?

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Sep 12, 2010



From the vision, it seems like Krupa doesn't know how much Saanvi was abused. Make her understand.

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Sep 12, 2010



jagadaishio posted:

Tir is a good place to get clients for his business. It's a bad place to hitch his future outright, but if/when Tir starts crumbling it'll be very profitable to be able to offer shadow services to a bunch of rich, scared assholes. The fact that Tir looks like it might be in a bad way - and is objectively probably not a place where he'd ever want to live - means that it's a great place to find work, not unlike how Seattle is pure cash for people willing to work during the current chaos.

But that's all that Tir Tairngire should be to him. Somewhere to draw clientele for his business services. Not somewhere that he's actually invested, or vice versa.

As usual, plan jagadaishio. Kenji may be able to get eventually get Saanvi out of Tir's clutches while retaining some of the contacts made during a long courtship.

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Sep 12, 2010



I disagree. Dog will be very useful - as soon as Kenji learns to control him instead of being controlled by him. That's what everyone keeps telling him, and what the spirit mentor class is all about.

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Sep 12, 2010



Kenji shouldn't be naive enough to wring his hands over whether his runners killed enemies directly or indirectly. He already has plenty of blood on his hands, remember?

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Sep 12, 2010



ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Don't tell firebringer someone needs help

I don't understand this, is it based on some background information I don't have, or something? Is Julian like magically bound to "help" by ruining everything, or what?

What are the practical downsides to asking Julian for help, other than that he's overbearing and incompetent?

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Sep 12, 2010



dont be mean to me posted:

Fire-bringer is the spirit of self-sacrifice.

Julian already burns himself at both ends. If you send him a plea that he feels obligated to answer, he could kill or ruin himself helping you.

If that doesn't make you feel bad enough, Julian would then probably be replaced by someone who probably won't be so interested in protecting his pilot program - the one that got the Scoobies onto Blake Island in the first place - if the board doesn't scrap the pilot program outright.

Ok... So why not ask for help in small ways earlier, to prevent getting in situations where he feels obligated to do a lot? It doesn't seem like a binary choice.

Also, he's been wasting a lot of our time and resources as we lose social combats to him. Shouldn't we be using this glaring weakness to misdirect and distract him to prevent him from interfering constantly?

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Sep 12, 2010



I think jumping immediately to Feng Shui run is a little too reductive - it's a small shop, maybe he could just correct it immediately - or maybe it is already bad and that's why he resorts to cheating people? Also, it wouldn't directly shame him anyway. Just recording him lying or cheating people isn't going to shame him much either - everyone already knows what he's doing. Whatever we do, it'll have to be fast or done remotely, because we're going to be grounded soon.

Get advice from multiple people on the best way to go about this run

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Sep 12, 2010



jagadaishio posted:

"I need help fundraising for school and doing a public safety charity project."

This, except user these exact words and very slowly build up a terrible sense of foreboding in Julian as more details are slowly given

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Sep 12, 2010



If Kenji panics and runs outside instead of sending Chip I guess that would be believable, if disappointing.

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Sep 12, 2010



Ice Phisherman posted:

When I rolled Kenji's composure, he got a zero. I used his second to last edge to reroll and then succeeded. Sometimes I do stuff like this on edge rolls where it's sometimes about gritting their teeth or dumb luck that helps steady them, though not always. He's going to remember himself rather than running out like an idiot. Kenji is a person and is prone to making mistakes as we've seen, but he's normally cool under fire.

Make him run outside then run right back inside, red-faced! It fits both what happened in the thread and succeeding on a reroll.

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Sep 12, 2010



Ice Phisherman posted:

Karma can be bought as well and the going rate is 1500 nuyen a pop which may have a minor narrative consequence, but essentially you're chucking money down a hole.

Curious. Does this scale with income,or something, or do the rules as written mean that any of the superrich can easily get completely maxed stats?

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Sep 12, 2010



I think after this, Julian should be pack. He comes through in a pinch.

That means Kenji should try to do some aftercare. Maybe we could get Dog to intercede with Firebringer to be a little less heavy handed? That's well beyond Kenji's skill level, so maybe he could talk to Mama Bear?

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Sep 12, 2010



Go full Dog and act on instinct

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