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Rent-A-Cop posted:The Democratic system is "gently caress you, we're in charge here!" Repubs started in the 70s with the austerity people on a local and state level. It's going to take a very long time to counteract that from the left but the DSA and other orgs are slowly making advancements. Lee Carter in Virginia was a nice shot across the bow.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:With all due respect, gently caress that. I agree but it is what it is. In 2 weeks I get to vote for a DSA backed challenger to Joseph Crowley here in NY. Her name is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and she owns all the bones. https://youtu.be/rq3QXIVR0bs Baby steps, but sometimes the steps are good as heck.
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Jun 12, 2018 21:08
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Jaxyon posted:It doesn't mean you have to vote for Dems no matter what. What it does mean is you probably should vote for the least worst option, which almost always is the Dem. I think 2016 showed that this doesn't work anymore and the big reason for the rift is the powers that be don't want to change, because their donors won't allow it. Things like Universal Healthcare and Legal Weed are slam dunk policies and should be pillars for 2020. But instead we are getting establishment weasel words like "access to Medicare Extra" and "decriminalization" from Chucky, Kamala, and co.
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Jun 12, 2018 21:12
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I hope she wins, and I hope if she doesn't you have the good sense to withhold your vote in the general. Crowley is a quintessential NY Baddem (along with Cuomo, Gillibrand, and Schumer) and he will never have my vote. I'll probably leave that part blank if he gets the nom.
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Jun 12, 2018 21:13
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Cerebral Bore posted:The problem with the slow and steady approach to taking over the Democrats is that it'll lead to even more kicking the can down the road while the country gets shittier and shittier in the meantime, and if it gets much shittier then you're just one actually competent fascist appearing on the political scene away from being totally hosed. That's France right now. I agree with you. I'm partially accelerationist in that I think things have to get worse to get better. But in order for things to get better we need to build a bench behind Bernie, Ellison, and Krasner. Krasner is a perfect example as to why local elections are insanely important to helping your day to day life. He's doing amazing work in Philly on cop and justice system reform. The reason why I'm partially accelerationist and not full on is that a lot of people are going to die or be hurt and I'd like to avoid that.
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Jun 12, 2018 21:21
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self unaware posted:You mean you have a mild understanding of complexity theory, more so than like 99% of the posters on this board. Sure, probably. I try my hardest not to act like I know everything. Those links made my eyes glaze over a bit though. I'll try to digest them later.
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Jun 12, 2018 21:30
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah, no poo poo dems should stop playing favorites in primaries, but not sure how you plan on changing that. Honestly, what's the point of having this discussion if all of your replies are feckless navelgazing?
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Jun 12, 2018 22:25
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Jaxyon posted:If you can't handle someone disagreeing with you without trying to attack them like they're the enemy, why are you on a message board? I can handle it just fine but every one of your replies is this weird mix of "nothing we can do" and some centrist grossness like the 60%/100% chestnut and it's just dumb. The worst part is you're left adjacent to a point but you just keep squinting your eyes like a sneeze is coming and never does.
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Jun 12, 2018 22:29
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Jaxyon posted:Are the folks who are going to be in prisons, disenfranchised, denied civil rights, going to OK with the gamble you took on their backs? It's a gamble either way because most of the dems in power do not support social justice, abolishing ICE, or enacting registration reform.
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Jun 12, 2018 22:53
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Jaxyon posted:Zero of Republicans in power support any of that. I think Democrats can be pushed in the direction of social justice, but Republicans are an idiot cult. Doesn't that mean voting for dems is the gamble?
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Jun 12, 2018 23:03
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Vote for Joe Manchin because we need an anti-abortion, anti-EPA, NRA member in the Senate to stop the Republicans from electing an anti-abortion, anti-EPA, NRA member! It's not a gamble, it's a sure thing!
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Jun 12, 2018 23:29
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Don't forget the Rahm strategy of cops and troops with a D next to their name. Those guys are gonna be great at social justice reforms and ending needless military spending. It's a sure bet.
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Jun 13, 2018 00:38
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Tim Kaine is a piece of poo poo and if you think he's a lesser evil you're a goddamn moron. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/congress-may-declare-the-forever-war/562175/?utm_source=atlfb quote:Proposed by Senators Tim Kaine and Bob Corker, its radicalism approaches that of a constitutional amendment. Their new AUMF would subvert an article at the core of the Constitution, gutting a vital protection against tyranny devised by the Framers. It would authorize multiple existing wars without even debating them individually. It would empower Trump and his successors to unilaterally wage war in new countries, expand their ability to indefinitely detain prisoners without charges, and empower them to unilaterally kill individuals even inside the United States.
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Jun 13, 2018 18:31
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Love too vote for foreverwar
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Jun 13, 2018 18:54
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Liberalism at its inception was created to give the privileged access to benefits reserved to people by birthright. It's inherently privileged.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:09
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Jaxyon posted:Literally all voters who aren't Republicans see wealth inequality as a huge problem that causes suffering. Including people who identify as liberal.  source your quotes please.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:29
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Jaxyon posted:You think the average Dem voter loves inequality? The average dem voter lives in a coastal enclave and does not give a poo poo about income inequality.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:35
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Good lord dude stop. You are insanely tedious.
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Jun 13, 2018 21:04
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I'm voting Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Cynthia Nixon in NY primaries and if neither of them make it to the general im not voting for Cuomo or Crowley and if you think I'm part of some problem you can kiss my grits because Cuomo and Crowley are corrupt shitbirds.
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Jun 13, 2018 21:13
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Condiv posted:not to mention that the dem party is rigging poo poo in favor of cuomo and crowley as well. it doesn't get more nakedly obvious when perez says that the party should stop interfering in primaries and then he turns around and endorses cuomo when the primary hasn't even finished. You do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to em.
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Jun 13, 2018 21:16
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Radish posted:Black women women in mass for Jones, who went on to vote over 50% of the time along with Trump among that deregulating banks allowing them to racially discriminate again is pretty much all you need to know about how the Democrats view the benefits of "lesser of two evils" strategy and what they consider the people they care about representing. Polite racism
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Jaxyon posted:
Her and her husband sure as poo poo helped institute racist legislature like the crime bill and welfare reform. She's absolutely partially responsible for modern poverty and the jailing of an entire generation. On top of that she had house slaves in the Arkansas gov mansion.
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Jun 14, 2018 02:46
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Democrats should be loving embarrassed that republicans have a more democratic primary system than they do. Say whatever you want about him, he won the primary without needing the field cleared for him.
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Jun 14, 2018 02:47
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Solkanar512 posted:I’m not going to defend Manchin, but you folks should understand that the point isn’t that “people like him vote with the Dems sometimes”, it’s that if you get a Dem majority there won’t be any bullshit like that scheduled for him to even vote for. In addition to chairing the committees and having subpoena power. I'll bet money if the Dems make any gains this year or 2020 in the senate he's flipping R.
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Jun 16, 2018 03:14
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Lieberman tanked the public option.
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Jun 16, 2018 03:29
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They had Democratic control and we got the lovely ACA which is a republican think tank healthcare plan that was sabotaged by a democrat and written by the insurance lobby.
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Jun 16, 2018 17:15
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HootTheOwl posted:That handout to insurance is literally saving lives so shut the gently caress up. Seriously Obamacare sucks and the Supreme Court finishes the job Lieberman started.
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Jun 17, 2018 14:43
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MooselanderII posted:What kind of majority is it if it can't get anything done due to said lovely dems being against good policy? It is a useful bulwark against GOP nominees and conservative legislative action generally, but as we have seen, that function is incredibly temporary absent getting said poo poo done. For the most part politics are a team sport to most people and they do not give a poo poo about policies as long as the correct letter is next to the politicians name.
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Jun 17, 2018 22:22
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Condiv posted:part of why the ACA is poo poo on so much is it was clearly designed to be a handout to insurance cos and be hostage legislation to turn out voters than to help voters. and by hostage legislation, i mean it was designed to easily be dismantled and scaled back, so that dems could whip people to vote with doomsaying about the republicans being elected and ripping away their healthcare Also enacting the Dream program through the executive branch.
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Jun 17, 2018 22:29
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MooselanderII posted:Ya, I consider the 2008 crises to have lingered into the start of his presidency. It can't be understated that some of the traditional private forces (auto industry, financial sector, etc.) that typically grind legislative action to dust, were literally at their weakest in historical memory. Sadly, without even firing a shot, Obama buckled and appointed and heeded Timothy loving Geithner. Jesus christ. Not only did he appoint Geithner, he straight up stacked his administration with Wall St people. I loved 2008 Obama on the campaign trail but goddamn I'm angry at myself for taking this long to wake the gently caress up.
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Jun 18, 2018 02:33
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BadOptics posted:Seeing this poo poo play out in the Trump thread is both hilarious and infuriating. Love too rehabilitate GWB.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Manchin is a piece of human garbage. If I was a betting man my money is on him flipping R in the next 2 years.
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Jun 20, 2018 14:25
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https://twitter.com/jnmedina8989/status/1009475381785714698 Dems got outmaneuvered by the DSA. I love it. Obviously its a small first step and theres already a humanitarian crisis but goddamn if thats not a tiny little blink of political hope for me in a sea of nothing matters.
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Jun 20, 2018 19:01
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HootTheOwl posted:Except the party platform. Which she immediately threw out and her followers adopted doughnut emojis when they shut out a progressive black woman trying to deliver a petition to add to it and instead gave her doughnuts and told her to be thankful.
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Jun 29, 2018 03:11
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Dirk Pitt posted:We really can’t replace Pelosi guys. Just gotta deal with the cards we are dealt. Barbra Lee.
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Jun 29, 2018 14:03
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Barbra Lee for speaker. ImWithHer
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Jun 29, 2018 19:14
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If Doug Jones votes for kavanaugh the mod who gave me a 6er for saying he sucks should eat a 6er in return. Just a thought.
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Jul 10, 2018 14:04
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Rent-A-Cop posted:All great thinkers are persecuted in their own time. You will be remembered as a martyr. I was just staying on brand. I said it the night he got elected that I was glad he won but that he sucks rear end hard.
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Jul 10, 2018 15:48
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:huh, and here I thought that some 28 year old socialist just torpedoed the Dem machine on 10% of the money In the home of the state that's exemplary for Succ Dems no less. I love my district 
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VitalSigns posted:The Trump thread is really getting into the political theater surrounding the Kavanagh nomination, coming up with hilarisad fantasy football scenarios for how the Dems will stop the confirmation and totally own the GOP. Just remember to handwave away any criticism of/protect at all costs Doug Jones and Joe Manchin.
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