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thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
If Russia takes Ukraine and China takes Taiwan, I could see that causing other nations to start defying the US too. If that happens, I could see the US dollar dropping fast.

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thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
So is there any possibility of Biden using a faked up war threat by US intelligence to score publicity points here by 'fixing' the issue with Russia with a meeting?

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Wait is the insurance contract for Germany or Russia? Because if it's for the former or both couldn't that make them not want to pull out?

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I'm honestly thinking that there was no actual wave for LGBT rights yet, or if there was it's mostly in the preamble, and that we'll see more work as nations actually decide to come to terms with it by themselves. America if anything has been a hindrance w/r/t that topic abroad. The CCP may not yet see points in protecting LGBT people beyond allowing them to be, but I sure as hell don't see them rolling anything back, and can only imagine they would just slowly add bits in, even if it takes a while.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

gradenko_2000 posted:

as was predicted, the phrase "those who play with fire will eventually get burned" is the only thing anyone is picking up from the Biden-Xi readout, and it's being interpreted as China being the threatening bully and aggressor, not the US

Are there any examples in history where a kingdom or whatnot got whomped and it's inhabitants laughed at their king/whatever aristocrat for being an idiot? Besides records of people being executed or otherwise punished for such that is.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I could see that happening if the cops get tired of enforcing poo poo without pay and decide to just let a non functioning Congress be removed in place of some sort of substitute government.

How long does anyone think it would take inflation to make paying cops more than the rich are willing to afford? Since inflation seems to be related to ceos not wanting to slash their balance sheets because it means they get less of the money printer, I could see that happening if they don't eventually decide to just delete a few zeros off their sums because it isn't getting them anything (unlikely).

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Its weird. I both do and don't want this to happen. I guess thankfully for half of me I know this is nothing in the end besides an embarrassment for the US.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I mean...being real here does anyone have any shakeups in their elections on record? Like if you can point out an election and an administrative reason the candidates were different, and some hard evidence that one or the other could have been elected (like if candidates had been elected before with those types of policies) that'd be something, but I don't think they matter much more in China than here do they?

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Now that I'm thinking about it at least they call themselves communists, whereas the moniker is anathema to politicians here. Just that means a lot more leftwing policy is possible there because doing useful stuff hasn't been forsworn by their ruling class.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Also I'd ofc like them to bring more prosperity to the people living in the country, but thinking about it I realize also that I'm not sure if America would have as much tolerance for dirt-farmers as china does. Like I can't see us not having plowed over their houses to make megafarms decades ago, much less having them be a majority of our country.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Actually if you can separate nuclear isotopes with centrifuges couldn't you do the same with glass until you could be certain you had silicon dioxide of sufficient purity?

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I mean if they can avoid the USA launching the nukes I think taking Taiwan may be the smartest idea at this point.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

Danann posted:

writing up an article for the nyt about how xi is torturing the american troops by forcing them to eat non-bland white food for the first time

Like an abused dog thinking it's being hit because no one has ever pet it before.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

KomradeX posted:

They'll build more fusion bombs than reactors, they will build 0 reactors

I mean that's the status quo already isn't it? We've known how to make use of fusion to make bigger nukes for a while, it's making something that actually can be used to generate power that's hard.

Even still, I'm guessing they still need work before they can actually harvest any excess energy, even just by heat dispersion, then making it efficient enough to outperform fission. Still a ways away, but no point in stopping now given they seem to be inching forward despite criminally low funding.

Edit: Oh that's an IGN article lol.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
If their party has text saying they admit they were wrong about that, is that more than Japan has admitted for it's warcrimes or does the LDP have text saying that too but haven't publically announced an apology?

I'm just saying we've got a lot more leverage over Japan, Nanking was pretty bad, and maybe if we want some apologetic words about Tienamen Square maybe a mutually beneficial trade can go on? Honestly thinking, I know the USA just wants to use this as a kudgel and not actually see justice.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
That actually makes sense, though hopefully they built the housing with the long term in mind? It'd just be nice is all, since they are being so forward thinking already.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I'm pretty drat sure that there would be crackdowns regardless of the country unless it is about to collapse.

Given the poo poo that the west has and continues to get away with anyone trying to take China to task for what America would call basic is gonna be waiting for a very long time, and if you think that this is emblematic of a flaw in Chinese governence then it's an even more glaring flaw in American governence, and they'll pop first if it actually is a nation killer.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Why was there a moratorium?

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Well I think the rocket, even as hot as it is, isnt as good as spreading a fire as the very large fire it is likely used on, and presumably it sprays so much fire retardant material it more than makes up for the scorch marks where it lands.

Honestly it seems like an interesting idea.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Dear God that sounds amazing. Here's hoping Africa and everywhere else china invests are able to accomplish cool stuff too. Despite us having pillaged the while world for the lions share of a century I don't think we've ever really benefited as much as we could from everyone else being prosperous too.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Yeah I mean he doesn't have to move, he still gets to use what skills he had, and on the evens reducing price gouging for movies helps everyone be happier.

Ultimately people learn to be selfish I think initially from avoidence of the threat of scarcity, and that it can then perpetuate from there without it (which is part of why rich people are assholes, among many others). Ultimately selfish behavior cannot actually protect one from scarcity as well as collective behavior (unless you conclude the selfish thing to do is to be collectivist in behavior because it ensures your safety on average), and so selfish modes of economy are inherently less self sustaining than others.

Given all that was accomplished in spite of capitalism with all the resources it has wasted, one can only imagine what could have been accomplished if there was a global system of communist governments like, starting around 1776.

Like I'm pretty sure we'd have useful implementations of quantum computers, maybe some fusion (or direct energy conversion of fission perhaps), and probably would have fully taken advantage of things like fuel cells as storage as well as a better understanding of the body's systems and how to use them to help patients.

Like on top of people not having to starve or face social alienation or be left for dead from natural disasters etc.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

fart simpson posted:

so? presumably they already had a manager and a projectionist

Well that's what is being said. If he was actually running the place directly and was the most skilled person for the position he was in them yeah he should have probably been out where he was needed.

But if the tweeter is bullshitting and his grandpa was not (as his post's tone attempts to imply) actually contributing to the proper working of the theater than it was both just and practical to put him in such a lowly position so that a more skilled worker could do a more important job.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

stephenthinkpad posted:

1 million per year to Solomon Island officials doesn't seem to be a lot of money. If Solomon Island has law that make foreign donation to the government legal then there is no problem, how the money is distributed is not PRC's concern.

Ultimately the point is this: there are many many small islands on the Pacific, some will take the US side and some will take the China's side, some will jump back and fore for maximum benefit. Outside of pure cash for military base (the traditional way), China has extra cards to play, because China is specialized in helping poor country to develop and grow. An underdeveloped island country needs ports, modern facilities, power and water utilities, human connectivities (road and rail). China has a full menu that can offer all of that. Interestingly the US and her "allies" gave up all of those capacity a long time ago. It's almost as if the developed countries doesn't want to help the rest of the world develop faster.

And ironically this only really helps the rich sleep at night. They'd be fine no matter what, but then they might have to actually think every once in a while in exchange for the near unbelievable bounty that a fully and properly developed world would provide so they refuse to do so out of nothing but childish fear, willingly destroying anything and everything to prevent even mild uncertainty in their future.

Thankfully human fear only causes those ruled by it to weaken in power, because for all that it can claw into people's hearts it cannot actually build anything. Siding with fascists is only a move in desperation to keep the existing power relations, and cannot result in them adapting to a new age. They will sooner return to their caves than suddenly become able to compete with China and other socialist countries.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I mean if anything capitalism's desire to cling to reactionaries to protect itself from the left means LGBT people will never have a truly safe place in it, whereas communist nations can (as in they are able to where capitalism cannot ever truly guarantee it if it becomes a way to avoid communism) overcome those impulses and have no reason to incubate and protect regressive views afterwards and so actually can create a lasting set of rights.

Cuba reforming their laws makes it possible that others will follow, as they have a long history of leftwing governence and can provide a counter to the idea that homosexuality has any incompatibility with Marx's teachings. The second it spreads to another nation besides them it's very possible one will see a pattern of gentler laws. If China ever really starts integrating LGBT people into it's workforce abroad they may even require basic laws allowing the public presence of such people's in regressive nations they cut deals with, swiftly resulting in them being made to acknowledge who they actually are instead of some stupid caricature made by the west to discourage any solidarity.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I mean if they do try to expand it out to double/triple it's current size it might get more noticeable.

Actually what the hell do people expect to do if they start making the connection that prisoners are 'stealing' their jobs?

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I need to go to bed this country isn't worth my time.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

Palladium posted:

dude you are a failed state if you aren't the #1 producer for everything in the world

United States of America: The Aristocrats.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I haven't either. Still know they're stupid for comparing this to that since Oceania likely had nothing close to this level of care for it's citizens.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Like these guys are idiots. If the British empire had done like China is doing now and been trying to grow them introduce new, powerful provinces and integrate them as true citizens of their nation, they'd probably still have a big honking trade empire.

Live through cruelty, die through cruelty, to turn a phrase.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
And what's more if regime change doesn't happen, eventually they end up building everything they need and linking up with other sanctioned countries. I'm guessing that's why China is building up Africa, so they can basically be ready once the US comes for them and have enough of what they need to separate as the West burns itself to the ground.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
If they're too cheap to pay Chinese rates I somehow doubt they'll shell out for whole new factories in Zimbabwe that will have to compete with said preexisting production.

Like the difference in cost per unit will be marginal and the graft on both sides because everyone knows it's gonna be a trash fire will make it take centuries to pay off.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

GlassEye-Boy posted:

https://twitter.com/FuzhouCity/stat...3096%2Fpage-296


Stated goals is that it's a service to provide overseas Fuzhou residence with help handling beurocratic tasks that are difficult without being in China.

Lol now I'm imagining Chinese government owned/controlled businesses essentially backdoor taking over government services as local administrations just burn everything down.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Well I figure the continual depopulation of the US and other countries by Covid and the complete breakdown of industry due to a lack of ability to think past next quarter will eventually bring that back.

Kinda like how the radiation in the Chernobyl exclusion zone probably wasn't/isn't good for the animals but the fact no humans live there anymore than made up for it. If capital can't get it's rear end back in gear it won't have the ability/reason to cut down more forests because it'll have no workers or machines, and will be too distracted by the fake numbers it's made up to care that it doesn't. Some factories will always pollute but without necessary parts it's more just a matter of rainwater leaking into the building and absorbing some lead from the product.

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thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Edit: actually I'm not sure if the article I'm commenting on was about anti immigrant behavior from the US or whatever but I still think I'm right. Sorry though for not reading so hard it just sounded like it'd just be sad to hear details on 'people who were just growing harmless plants getting murdered because of their birthplace'

Jokes on them if blaming some other was enough to stop violence from reaching every corner of the earth we'd have poo poo wrapped up by now in a permanent perfect dictatorship from hell.

I dunno what I'm saying but given how the western elite are unable to maintain this incredibly easy world order where they should have been able to forever stomp out and strangle any dissent in the crib tells me that sicking your depraved natives on the foreign population isn't going to increase your labor base and will in fact only brain drain you faster.

I suppose history would be a lot different if smarts actually were always necessary for holding power. I mean in a long term sense they are but like if being dumb meant you didn't even get five minutes at the wheel no matter how rich your dad was it'd probably be weird how things would progress if every ruler had always been politically competent of in no other venture.

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thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
So like how is North Korea doing lately? I was wondering if I could laugh at the prospect of them eventually being a better place to live than the US because of them slowly building themselves up while we tear ourselves apart.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Well that sucks. I guess it's just a matter of trying to build enough industry to trade with china and wait until they can launder through them to actually have connections to the world again.

We've totally killed more north Koreans and caused them more suffering than their state ever will for the next hundred years at this point, just because we loath that they don't want to be ruled by us.

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thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
If they just make up for it with good design and not fricking with the whole development process/not adding bloatware/keeping program efficiency tight they may even come out on top. By all means they want to close the gap, but it's not as essential as it once was.

I'd really like the US to pull their head out of the sand on this, because it doesn't even benefit the rich at this point.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I think it's reasonable that he thought they wouldn't be stupid because he benefited them. I think it's been said before that scientists aren't necessarily that much smarter than anyone else outside their fields of study, so he could easily have not realized they just wanted to oust him for his nationality even if they were shooting themselves in the foot.

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
So does dedollarization in these ways increase inflation in the US/make the money printer work less well?

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thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
So they're going to rapidly industrialize their neighbors to combat the global downturn caused by the US?

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