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Ainsley McTree posted:What's the best class story? May as well answer for new players. Usual consensus is Imperial Agent for a less traditional Star Wars story, and Sith Warrior if you want a more traditional sort - with the caveat that Sith Warrior also works very well if you play against type as a light-sider. Most classes play to a specific character from the movies: Sith Warrior: Darth Vader Sith Inquisitor: Emperor Palpatine Bounty Hunter: Boba Fett Imperial Agent: James Bond (theoretically, Grand Moff Tarkin - the regular human who was bossing Vader around in A New Hope) Jedi Knight: Luke Skywalker Jedi Consular: Yoda Trooper: Commander Shepard (well, generic storm/clone troopers) Smuggler: Han Solo
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Aleth posted:They have a few comments on Makeb I think but that's it until KotXX stuff, which hasn't got every companion back in the story yet. One companion per class comments on the class specific quest on Rishi.
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Nov 10, 2017 19:07
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Nipponophile posted:No, but seriously, where is everyone? I, at least, am still browsing this thread and waiting to see if the story starts appealing to me again. The current endgame sounds about as boring and grindy as Star Trek Online, which at least is free to play.
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Nov 22, 2017 14:31
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Right on, I gave it a shot and it's not bad so far. I tried rolling a sage before and it was a bit more...eh. Each class has a certain kind of story to tell in general. For your Jedi folks: Jedi Knight is very traditional Star Wars heroic Jedi fantasy - it's very much in the mold of Luke Skywalker and Rey, you are the born hero destined to save the galaxy (even if you're kind of an rear end in a top hat about it). Consular takes more after Yoda and Obi-Wan, it's a much more sedate story about playing a scholar, diplomat, and mystic, low-key compared to other classes. One of my personal favorites, including one of my favorite companion relationships in the game, but decidedly not for everyone.
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Jan 7, 2018 15:52
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...Arcann is being made a romance option? Really? Well, I guess Kylo Ren proves that whiny baby Darth Vader wannabes with daddy issues are in...
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Feb 16, 2018 01:08
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Medullah posted:Well I mean he's a protagonist through KOTET if you make certain choices, repentant for his actions. He's no crazier than Kaliyo. I hate Kaliyo, too. Arcann is nothing but a bad Darth Vader knockoff, like Kylo Ren. Daddy never loved me so I'll prove I'm worthy of him has never been a compelling motivation for me. If Bioware ever gave me a reason to buy Eternal Throne, I wouldn't be able to jam the "execute the idiot" button fast enough.
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Feb 16, 2018 01:13
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Oh well, not like I've bought Eternal Throne yet and this news isn't giving me any desire to change that. KOTFE really dropped the quality of story and characters in this game straight off a cliff.
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Feb 16, 2018 14:25
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nonentity posted:Cyrano, you make me gigglesquee. IIRC, gigglesquee was from a dev, not a poster.
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Feb 16, 2018 15:36
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nonentity posted:I'm a dev. One of the devs really, really loved Vette.
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Feb 16, 2018 16:50
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Blockhouse posted:It was a dev lady talking about Fenris from DA2 and given the hell she caught from internet shitheads over that quote she can gigglesquee all she wants Then it wasn't the only time the term came up. Gigglesquee was also used by a Bioware dev to describe Sera in DAI.
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Feb 17, 2018 03:45
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Every once in a while I think about resubscribing to this game, and getting Shae wouldn't be a bad pickup. Then I remember Fallen Empire and nope nope nope. Man, this used to be a deeply flawed but basically fun and pretty decent game.
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Mar 30, 2018 13:48
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Cyrano4747 posted:Pretty much everything past Illium is utterly lacking in side quests. It's just straight main quests. This is me. I still follow this thread, but KOTFE killed everything I found interesting about the story and setting of TOR in favor of a super-railroady plot with lame villains and endless beige and grey corridors filled with skytroopers. Every once in a while I think about resubbing just for the 1-50 stories, maybe up through Shadow of Revan as well, but KOTFE is just terrible.
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Apr 4, 2018 21:02
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KOTFE also feels really jarring to play it as a non-Force class, in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if the Force classes do overwhelmingly dominate the player base, but I first played through it on my Imperial Agent and it was really obvious that the story just plain was written for a different kind of character.
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Apr 5, 2018 03:11
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DrunkenGarbageCan posted:KotFE/KotET can railroad Force users just as bad...my Dark Sorcerer for example wants to end Vitiate sure but also has no interest in saving and/or leading the Zakuulian Empire, he wants to burn it all down and get back to the Empire. This would be my single biggest complaint about KOTFE, actually. I just don't care about Zakuul. I found them uninteresting bad guys and worse good guys. TOR got me playing because it presented a complex and fairly interesting world by Star Wars standards. Each class has their own tone for the galaxy and how the story goes, and that's fine. Adds replay value, and different classes see different sides to the galaxy. Zakuul bored me to tears. Darth Vader and Princess Azula did not elevate the story.
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Apr 5, 2018 03:57
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SirPhoebos posted:As a lover of schlock I'm eager to discover the context of this quote I'm referring to Arcann (transparently a Darth Vader wannabe) and Vaylin (a sadistic womanchild of immense power with huge daddy issues - if you've seen the Avatar: The Last Airbender series, you know who Azula is). They're the two primary villains of Fallen Empire, and Vaylin at least is vaguely tolerable to me because unlike Arcann she at least seems to be enjoying herself. Arcann's motivations and personality are straightforward daddy issues. Daddy never loved him, so he's hellbent on proving that daddy should have been proud of him and reserves a special hatred for daddy's actual favorite (that would be you, Outlander).
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Apr 5, 2018 18:44
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SirPhoebos posted:I mean that's what WoW was for a long time (and still sort of is from what I can tell) and one of the big complaints I've heard in their subforum here is that all the story arcs end with "And then Maiev/Tyrion/Thrall/Khadgar/Velen do the actual work of defeating the big bad." WoW's been trying to have it both ways recently, with mixed results. FF14 on the other hand has the entertaining explanation that yes, you personally did all the dungeons and bosses... but so have a lot of other people, because for various reasons the bad guys keep on coming back from the dead or get summoned again. Hard modes in dungeons and on bosses are legit different from the first time you did them in the story, this time they've come back stronger than ever before or whatever. SirPhoebos posted:EDIT: I just got to Taris, and I'm now resolved to finish a playthrough of KotOR. I wonder if that's a common reaction. I dunno, I hated Taris in both games. 
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Apr 6, 2018 17:06
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SirPhoebos posted:It's the one in chapter 1 on Tarsis. You're trying to develop a cure for the plague, and the doctor says "hey you're a Jedi/you're ooh-rah tough/I'm sure you've sold at least one kidney already*, go get infected!" IIRC, just let them attack you.
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Apr 7, 2018 18:00
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Schneider Heim posted:Wait, so in the Consular story choices, is the "let a few souls suffer for the sake of millions" the actual LS choice?" No, it's the dark side choice.
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Jun 11, 2018 13:47
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I actually liked Nadia, with the caveat that I was playing a lady Consular. I generally like the Consular a lot for being a properly wise, scholarly, diplomatic sort of Jedi and all the fighting is mainly a concession to game mechanics, and Nadia's relationship with the lady Consular felt like a really well done teacher-student relationship, maybe a bit of mom-daughter or big sister-little sister like most close teacher-student relationships tend to have. Sure, she arrives too late in the story to do much and too late for there being much room for her character and her relationship with the Consular to grow, but for a character whose actual personality is pretty bland I thought her relationship with the Consular was executed well.
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Jun 14, 2018 01:28
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So, as someone who hasn't played since before Eternal Throne, is the game still playable? I've burnt out on WoW for the time being and am looking for some [more or less] single player RPG goodness again. Thinking I might play one of my old characters through Eternal Throne if it's not too big of a slog, or just make a brand new character. And since the TOR website has proven frustrating trying to find any details about the free to play mode, what are the restrictions like if I used to have a sub but don't necessarily want to sub now?
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Oct 5, 2018 20:28
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Hunter Noventa posted:I kind of did the same recently. Basically if you want to do any of the Eternal Throne stuff, you'll have to sub for a month to unlock it. But I'm pretty sure a month's sub unlocks all current content, and anything that comes out before your sub ends. Fair enough. Discovering this evening that the game is as slow to download/install as ever.
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Oct 10, 2018 22:18
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Aphrodite posted:Does the patcher still thrash your install drive to 100% disc usage? Nah, it's not giving me any issues like that. It's just being slow as hell. I last played two years ago, according to my account record. I guess it was too much to hope for that they'd fixed the game's terrible optimization issues during that time.
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Oct 10, 2018 23:31
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Made a new bounty hunter, made it to Dromund Kaas, zoned in to people discussing what jawas look like naked and how sex with jawas works for other species. It's like I never left.  Preferred mode is surprisingly generous. I can't play Eternal Throne, but I have fourteen active character slots and none of the restrictions seem too onerous - went ahead and bought the account-wide hide helmet unlock since there's sweet gently caress all to spend cartel coins on besides a hilarious variety of garbage looking cosmetic armor and weapons. And the xp gain is insane. My bounty hunter is level 19 when fresh to Dromund Kaas.
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Oct 12, 2018 18:11
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So I just finished a character through Knights of the Fallen Empire while I'm in free to play mode. Those who have Eternal Throne, would I likely enjoy subbing for that expansion if I thought Fallen Empire's story was so goddamn bad? I'm honestly not sure what's worse - a rotating cast of tedious and boring villains who only win or lose by plot fiat of who has more mojo in a given cutscene (Arcann, Valkorion, Vaylin), the PC having no choice or agency at any point in the plot, the hilariously overwrought bullshit about how Arcann and the Eternal Fleet are some epic threat unlike any ever before (and please don't tell me the story is going to force me to take over the Eternal Throne), or Zakuul itself being so incredibly uninteresting. I don't even hate Zakuul, I just want the story to decide that okay there really was nothing compelling or interesting about this place and let's just never mention it again. Oh, and can't forget the one female love interest available to a female PC suddenly being cold and dark-sidey when in Shadow of Revan she was remarkably relaxed and fun to be around. I thought Shadow of Revan was generally a step down from the launch story (with exceptions, you can only go up from the Knight, Inquisitor, and Smuggler stories), but the quality of writing and quest design drops off a loving cliff in Fallen Empire. And seriously, "Visions in the Dark" rivals the last five minutes of Mass Effect 3 for some of the most pretentious video game writing I've ever seen while failing to plot its way out of a wet paper bag.
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Oct 17, 2018 03:37
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So no, I shouldn't subscribe and pretend the game ends with Shadow of Revan, gotcha. I can work with that.
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Oct 17, 2018 14:36
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Medullah posted:The story is going back to Imperial vs republic in December, and as long as you're level 70 it will give you the option to completely skip KOTFE/KOTET to start that storyline. Can't hit level 70 without owning KOTET. I'll pay closer attention and see if the writing improves with this Ossus stuff, I suppose.
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Oct 17, 2018 15:22
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Though unfortunately you still can't refuse companions. My bounty hunter campaign has been grinding to a halt between Belsavis being terrible in general and Skadge just being the worst.
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Oct 24, 2018 21:31
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Preechr posted:You can kill skadge during KotFE, if you want. I have no plans to continue into Fallen Empire and in the meantime I'm still stick with this bozo rapist.
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Oct 24, 2018 22:10
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Yeah, Athena Karkanis is much better. She's really good at the Consular's occasional moments of blistering sarcasm. Every class quips now and then, but the Consular is the master of bitter sarcasm. Playing a morally grey Consular tends to be "I'm going to save you, but I am going to tell you at great length how utterly moronic you are every step of the way."
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Dec 3, 2018 01:29
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Khako posted:So how's the story in post 50 content? I almost have Legendary status without a single character above 55. I figure I should go through it all once but I've had a tough time picking the class to do it with. Leaning towards Powertech but I heard a lightsaber class makes more sense. Bounty hunter taking on the powerful force baddies plays out weird? The snippets I've seen in general chat make it seem dumb for non-force users. I'm hoping its just a few random lines that are out of place instead of the general story. Like midichlorians from the prequels. It gets dumb as hell if you're not a Force user, yes. Past 50, almost everything is blah blah jedi blah blah sith blah blah the force. Makeb's not bad.
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Dec 5, 2018 18:29
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Personally, I've always wondered where the engines on a TIE fighter are supposed to be.
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Dec 11, 2018 17:11
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Medullah posted:It's pretty much "If you can kill someone, you do" with Imperial characters and the opposite with Republic, with a few exceptions that are class specific like Agent doesn't kill Scorpio or Kaliyo. Which disappointed me, because I really wanted to kill Kaliyo as my agent but the game prevents the agent from doing so.
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Dec 21, 2018 05:41
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M_Sinistrari posted:I'm pretty sure it depends on the choices made since I remember quite a few Agent players being positively giggly they were finally able to kill her off. Huh. I consistently took the meanest, harshest dialogue options I could, and it only lead to me exiling her.
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Dec 21, 2018 15:41
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Dec 22, 2018 20:44
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So all the returning companions are straight, then.Aphrodite posted:Isn't it kind of bad if they made them suddenly gay? Bisexual would also be acceptable. Right now the only option women still have is Lana and her heel turn in Fallen Empire.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:52
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Aphrodite posted:No, he's saying the opposite. Old companions with new romance arcs/conversations added since Makeb are either. I don't know if there's enough in the conversations to say if they're bi, they're probably just gay or straight depending on the PC's gender. Ah. I still haven't subbed to get Eternal Throne since Fallen Empire's story was that loving bad. Sounds like there's the start of something I might be kinda interested now, maybe it will pan out into something. Or maybe not.
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Dec 22, 2018 21:34
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Hmmm. Disappointing that that wasn't back-ported to the regular class arcs, but good to know.
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Dec 23, 2018 04:13
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Medullah posted:They'd have to go and re-record who knows how much dialogue in order to make it work. Hours of voice acting that would be better spent on new content. I dunno, I find the oldest content in TOR is generally the best, and the quality of the writing declines as you move past the launch story into Makeb and then Revan and then falls off a cliff into Fallen Empire.
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Dec 23, 2018 15:33
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Ossipago posted:Doesn't STO have player generated quests? We'd just end up with a endless stream of TLJ rewrites. STO's player-made quest creator is perpetually broken, and roughly 90% of its content is missions made to grind out achievements.
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AGGGGH BEES posted:Or is intended for pornographic odysseys Cryptic's actually pretty good about banning and deleting that stuff these days. There's more than a few that are about Join The Adventures Of Me And My Waifu, but straight up porn ones get banned almost immediately.
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