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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Zoeb posted:

do you start every post with "Good news!" or "Bad news!"

Keeping a tally to see which one wins. Ping pong rules obviously, you need 2 or more to win

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

fits my needs posted:

EU suspends all aid to palestine



So what is the PA getting out of staying out of this

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

ikanreed posted:

I do wonder if opening cspam made d&d worse, and gave the decorum reactionaries control

Indubitably. The place shrank and got waaaaaaaay weirder

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

fizzy posted:

Bad news for the semantic accuracy of DancingShade - DancingShade cannot be said to be "crystal balling" into the future when DancingShade's remarks already describes both the present and the past.

Lol

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Death By The Blues posted:

I mean the ideal scenario is for dumb gently caress Iranian basiji members volunteer to go fight alongside Hezbollah limiting Iranian citizen deaths without Israel carpetbombing Iran and maximizing poo poo stain basiji deaths. The more of them that die the better.

But it's so much easier for them to cane Iranian college students

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

looks like this is going to get repeated ad nauseam from the idf’s lips to your ears

p soon they’ll say hamas drank their blood too

https://twitter.com/ritchietorres/status/1711748869992706377

The NY dem party went out if it's way to include heavily Orthodox neighborhoods be gerrymandered into his district last year. He hasn't done a thing for NY but I guess party leaders are leaning on his fevered support of Israel to pump up donations as his seat is in no way under threat of being turned over. Him being a wack job only helps this.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I'm starting to hear the ghost of Kiev just blew through the necks of a hundred trembling virgins before depositing their noggins in baby cradles in Iraqi hospitals to, you guessed it, distract us from US carriers being bombed by Barbary pirates

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Tiler Kiwi posted:

guy sitting here going, cold terror? thats no so bad. not like that hot terror, thats a lot worse. its terror, and its really warm, you cant put a coat on or anything.

Terror is best served cold, for legal reasons

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Nix Panicus posted:

Trying to explain to people that Appalachia and even the midwest once had vibrant leftist communities is just met with staring disbelief these days

My fav part of the biography The Powerbrokwr was Caro just listing for a couple pages farmers in the mid-west loving up judges, tax collectors, and landlords and wannabe landlords in the depths of the Depression, with the fairly clear suggestion that we were a few bad weeks from them burning down DC.

FDR's New Deal was an emergency lever to prevent this, and even then business leaders and conservatives and alot of liberals fought against it, stupidly

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

spacemang_spliff posted:

they've been annexing poo poo for years why not Gaza?

Bibi is depending on some crazy settled fuckers to stay in power right? Don't they want to get back to Gaza?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

BearsBearsBears posted:

How do you respond to somebody using this argument? I've heard it in real life and anticipate that I will again. I'll probably have to be "civil" as well.

Jewish people's population rebounded after the Holocaust.

E: also Native Americans in reservation. The trail of tears is still a genocide.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

HallelujahLee posted:

anyone dumb enough to still post in dnd probably should get a day imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Qhn7KYhHY

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Al-Saqr posted:

aljazeera reported that lich king Biden Begged the Qatari emir to ask Hamas to release the hostages after finding out that saving them militarily with special forces was impossible

https://twitter.com/ajarabic/status/1715023508365816081?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

Glad to see you back al-saqr!

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Al-Saqr posted:

leaked Hamas document:- wow al-saqr has a really awesome warhammer collection and a giant dick!

Israel bombs local missle launch site, observers note Hamas terrorist saying, "my balls!", Israeli defense officials suggest it might be a reference to nefarious Islamic debutante dances

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

https://twitter.com/BOFA_Grace/status/1715437137225544139/photo/1

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Valleyant posted:

Hummus and chocolate coins

I bought some Choco coins the other day and went oh noooo when I saw it was made israel

Lol that Israel claims they invented hummus

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


What did BM say about the Israeli attack?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

discoukulele posted:

I know that donation chat has come up before, but I wanted to see if there's anything out there besides the Red Crescent that's actually operating inside. The Red Crescent's donation page seems to be completely borked; I haven't been able to get it to work on a couple of browsers.

I give to DWB, but I'd love to find something that's specifically for Palestine so that I know all of my money is going there.

Alot of ppl gave recommended the Palestinian Children's Relief Fund

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I think we're found polite hitler

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

fizzy posted:

Permaban Mid Life Crisis for cheering on, supporting, lusting after, and getting off on Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

I honestly thought it was useful (and also informative to myself by having to do some research to respond to) to posts in the other thread as someone with some knowledge of I/P issues. But the fact that that person can just post his low content ethnic cleansing fantasies without any pushback from the mods there is actually making me feel physically ill. I'm out.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Al-Saqr posted:

I mean yeah americans have alot of engineers, spies, consultants, marketers, financiers, etc. in a ton of sectors it's where alot of people live and make their money, oh and all the soldiers too.

Alot of ppl with dual citizenship where it's allowed. Lebanese, Egyptian,etc I think. Also when you're old and Arab in the States you go back to live back with family while collecting social security.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Just saw this. This is from an Haaretz article

https://twitter.com/__mike91/status/1716474436595949644

E: Haaretz article here: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...af-7b5cf0210000

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

OctaMurk posted:

looks like 99% military aged humans

I dont know if you're implying I'm OK with civilian deaths, I'm absolutely not. It's just evidence the baby headless story isn't true.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


gently caress

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Dokapon Findom posted:

Love just how everywhere US citizens are at all times in every part of the world no matter what else is going on. What are they doing there? Nothing that doesn't singularly advance US interests! :newlol:

Like I said before there are A LOT of American Arabs that go back to the ME for a variety of reasons. And they're not doing great too.

quote:

Rafah, Gaza – Nineteen-year-old Yousif Abu Shaaban and four immediate family members had been waiting for days for their evacuation from the besieged Gaza Strip through the Rafah border crossing with Egypt.

An American passport holder, Abu Shaaban was told by officials from the United States consulate that he and his family were eligible to leave the strip. The family was staying at a school near the Rafah crossing, seeking a way out of the enclave away from Israel’s relentless bombing campaign that began on October 7.

US officials had advised Gaza’s Palestinian American dual citizens — who number between 500 and 600 — to move closer to the crossing for possible safe passage into Egypt.

quote:

On October 21, US officials said they had received information that the crossing could be opened to allow dual citizens to leave — as the first aid trucks from Egypt entered Gaza.

But it’s already too late for Abu Shaaban and his family: The delay in evacuations cost his 14-year-old sister’s life.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/10/21/we-went-through-hell-palestinian-dual-citizens-remain-stuck-in-gaza

That kid still has shrapnel dug into his face.

And no loving US politician is talking about it.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

really queer Christmas posted:

Unless they're really funny-bad. If it's just genocide denial, then don't post em.

I think this bit from the same person is fascinating in addition to inducing nausea like the rest of their posting

quote:

If they walk their trail of tears, losing many on the way, they gain all the worldwide sympathy. If they hold out and create problems for the militants they lose sympathy among the third party moderates, who are those they need the most right now. If they stay put and demand a cease fire they aren’t realizing the world isn’t on their side as much as they think it is after the attack. The Arab world might be, but there’s no Arab military that’s worth a drat who is going to step in. And most of those Arab countries are more afraid of internal unrest than stopping Israel.

It's the uber example of the white tears/fixation of white moderates. Makes us feel bad. Don't stop the ethnic cleansing. In fact accelerate so the most important thing could be induced, us feeling slightly bad for a short period of time. That's what's really important here.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

quiggy posted:

calling my dad from where i just did a massacre like i'm about to win who wants to be a millionaire

Regis, I'd like to use my deathline

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

AnimeIsTrash posted:

yeha i am curious about this too, maybe i missed a few but i dont remember anyone being fired for openly supporting the "wrong" side of the war

There are state and local laws on the books for decades now for firing teachers for posting anti Israeli speech. Bit yeah it seems to be ratcheting up circa 2001 again

quote:

IN ROCHESTER, NEW YORK, a religious center received enough threats around an in-person event about Palestine that the program had to be moved online. In Arlington, Virginia, bomb threats forced the country’s largest American Muslim civil rights group to move a banquet partially focused on Gaza to an undisclosed location. In Houston, a hotel pulled out of hosting a conference organized by a prominent Palestinian rights group due to “escalating security concerns.” In Brooklyn, a right-wing City Councilperson brought a gun to a student protest for Gaza. And in Washington, DC, a United States senator called for a Justice Department investigation into student supporters of Palestine.

As Israel’s bombardment of Gaza continues, Americans are expressing their opposition on college campuses, on social media, and in the streets. But the dissent has come with a cost. Across the US, supporters of Palestinian rights are facing a severe and unprecedented backlash to their speech and activism, ranging from university condemnations of student protest to death threats and intimidation from pro-Israel groups. “We’ve had an exponential surge in requests for legal help. It has been like nothing we’ve seen before,” said Radhika Sainath, a senior staff attorney at Palestine Legal, which defends the free speech rights of Palestine advocates. Since October 8th, the group has responded to nearly 200 reports of “suppression of Palestinian rights advocacy”—almost as many incidents as they addressed in all of last year. According to Sainath, attorneys have spoken to everyone from “people being fired from their jobs for tweets or social media messages that support Palestinian human rights” to student critics of Israel who are being “doxxed and put on a website called ‘College Terror List,’” which seeks to make them unemployable. “There is an increase in people who are really concerned with the genocidal intentions of Israel right now—and they’re being met with immense McCarthyite backlash and suppression,” Sainath said.

https://jewishcurrents.org/a-mccarthyite-backlash-against-pro-palestine-speech

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I've been doing some research on discriminatory laws against Palestinian Israelis (i..e Palestinians that lived in Israeli territory between 1945 and 1967). Nominally considered Israeli citizens, what they have to deal with is upsetting in its scope and cruelty. Here's a list of some of the laws: https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index

Plus at anytime their lands can be confiscated by newly created exclusively Jewish municipalities, towns, and kibbutzes, which are allowed to exclude anyone that doesn't fit the "social-economic" mold they are looking for, meaning anyone not Jewish, their homes demolished, their rights violated, any social welfare ripped away (like their kids are denied benefits if their parents are arrested for a security offense, that's a loving law).

And guess what? They have segregated loving schools. They reinvented American segregation. Here's a paper about it.

quote:

Data came from visits to 26 schools of all types and levels; interviews with students, teachers, administrators, and specialists; interviews with staff of the Education Ministry; and reviews of official statistical information. Results revealed that nearly 1 in 4 of Israel’s 1.6 million school children received education in a public school system wholly separate from the majority. Their schools differed significantly in quality from the public schools serving Israel’s majority Jewish population in that they offered fewer facilities and educational opportunities than were offered other Israeli children. Palestinian Arab children attended schools with larger classes and fewer teachers than did those in the Jewish school system, with some children having to travel long distances to reach the nearest school. Some Arab schools lacked basic learning facilities, including libraries, computers, science laboratories, and recreation space. Palestinian Arab children with disabilities are particularly marginalized. Palestinian Arab students dropped out of school at three times the rate of Jewish students and were less likely to pass national examinations for a high school diploma. Few attended a university. Israeli government authorities have acknowledged the gaps between Arab and Jewish education, but they have failed to equalize the two systems. The analysis concluded that addressing the cumulative effect of generations of educational disadvantage upon Israel’s Palestinian Arab citizens requires major new initiatives by the government of Israel in recognition of its obligations under national and international law.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/second-class-discrimination-against-palestinian-arab-children

Since Israel has explicitly written into their laws that Jewish supremacy is the goal of the Israeli state, they can do this and whatever else they want as long as the people involved aren't Jewish.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

i'm 1000 posts behind, what happened today?

They're starting to kill the Palestinian detainees in jails.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

ElehemEare posted:

it rules because the US govt will absolutely just shovel more money into Israel’s coffers and the real losers will be the states like Alabama who tripped over themselves to institutionally purchase new Israeli sovereign debt issuances last week as a Show of Support.

Wait no way that actually happened lol

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


Hell yeah

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

gradenko_2000 posted:

so I'm not just posting a drive-by SYQ, let me also rebut this junk at the same time

from Ilan Pappe's "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine"



Yeah about kibbutz

quote:

Israeli law permits towns in the Negev and Galilee (which comprise two-thirds of the land in Israel) with up to 400 households to maintain admissions committees that can reject applicants from living there for being “not suitable for the social life of the community” or for incompatibility with the “social-cultural fabric.” This authority effectively permits the exclusion of Palestinians from small Jewish towns, which Adalah, a human rights group based in Haifa, estimated in 2014 make up 43 percent of all towns in Israel, albeit a far smaller percentage of the country’s population. In a 2015 study, Yosef Jabareen, a professor at the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa, found that there are more than 900 small Jewish towns, including kibbutzim, across Israel that can restrict who can live there and have no Palestinian citizens living in them.

Part and parcel of pushing Israeli Arabs into reservations, that can be destroyed at any time by the Israeli army.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Mr SuperAwesome posted:

there was this and then all the civillians who were actually killed by the IDF spraying and praying without really giving a gently caress, or the hannibal doctrine for civilians. the only "evidence" of civilians being deliberately killed is coming from the IDF, thus not actually credible. (as opposed to the mountains of evidence of the IDF killing civilians on purpose)

I never watched the videos bc I prefer not having ptsd but didn't they show killing of unarmed Israeli civilians.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Sancho Banana posted:

I'm sure these guys will get court martialed!

https://twitter.com/Looking4Gavin/status/1717100788193837288?t=G-Nrm7sYrtA6XRBSoBrf5g&s=19

I also wouldn't be suprised if this is just some random Arab guy they arrested with no charge.

I mean there are 3000 Palestinian laborers being held in their prisons without any legal recourse or due process, so you're probably right.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Ukraine looking dejected in a corner "All of these patriot batteries for each little colonial force the US has in the middle east and we have to make do with one for the entirety of kiev"

Tfw when you think you're thinking youre Kamchalka but really you're Irkutsk

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

StashAugustine posted:

I hate to mhlp it up here, but the mondoweiss article posted earlier about Israeli forces killing hostages does include a HRW article detailing some video evidence of Palestinian militants shooting at unarmed civilians, so it's not correct to say in never happened. It's still plausible that Hamas' primary objective was capturing IDF prisoners, it's unclear if the killers are Hamas or other groups, and ofc the ratio of civilians to military killed is unclear as is the number of hostages "accidentally" killed by Israeli forces. And ofc at the end of the day, the answer is still free Palestine and d2i

(Links don't contain gore, but do describe and link to it and the HRW link has a preview image of a video of killings, though it doesn't show anything)
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-gr...tober-7-attack/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/18/israel/palestine-videos-hamas-led-attacks-verified

Seems plausible to me as well

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

why do they need a day after something that isnt going to happen

Maybe they're referring to this day after

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...roHC5Oyx_BmdE-h

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


Ajc really gotta town it down

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Al-Saqr posted:

its super duper commercialized outside of the mosque itself

That stupid loving clock tower, over the grave of the Prophet's family.

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