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i just finished watching this, having known almost nothing of devilman prior i definitely liked it but also this was so upsettingly bleak that i'm not entirely sure how i feel about it yet
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the way taro's dad keeps going back and forth or whether or not he should kill his son was so painful to watch
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Jan 8, 2018 23:38
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Whenever I hear about poo poo that was added and wasn't in the Manga I always go "drat that was one of my favorite parts" I mean Taro eating his mom wasn't in the manga? And neither was miko?
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Jan 10, 2018 22:12
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Smoking Crow posted:the anime is bloated compared to the manga that sounds like a pretty bare bones manga then
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Jan 11, 2018 02:15
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i think darth walrus put it best earlier that the show is about how love is simultaneously what makes us beautiful and weak, and that's kinda the reason behind the huge downer ending. miki going online to defend akira and encourage other devilmen to speak out was beautiful, but also led directly to her and their deaths. ryo doesn't realize he has any love until after akira is already dead, so he wins and obliterates humanity before realizing his love for akira, which leads to his immense anguish after the fact.
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Jan 12, 2018 00:29
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i knew devilman existed as "an old very influential manga with an OVA that had a pretty funny dub" before crybaby it was one of thsoe things where i'd have liked to check it out, but never really felt any need to over other things i could spend my time on. the fact that no one talked about it pretty much ever until crybaby was probably a big factor in that.
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Jan 12, 2018 02:01
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I know Ryo/akira was always super gay but wasn't pretty much all the rest of the gay stuff added by crybaby?
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Jan 14, 2018 21:42
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literally every romantic relationship in crybaby is gay if someone got mad about crybaby killing off all the gays i'd be real annoyed with them because the only reason the gays die is because everyone is gay, and someone has to die
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Jan 18, 2018 19:02
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i think the idea that miko saying "i love you" to miki before miki mounts miko and the two of them ride off into the distance wasn't an expression of romantic love to be absolutely absurd miko can be gay, bi, trans, whatever, that was very clearly not a scene between two purely platonic friends and it baffles me that other people come out of that scene reading otherwise
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Jan 21, 2018 04:20
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i get that it's kinda weird that people keep calling a character that fucks a dude onscreen "gay" instead of "bi" but i don't think that's the part of what you've had to say that anyone really actually takes offense to or cares about dude
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Jan 21, 2018 04:23
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You can certainly interpret it that way, but the apocalypse is not a romantic setting. i didn't realize that "i love you" only carries romantic meaning if it's in the context of a candlelit dinner "lets run off together as i sacrifice my wellbeing to save your life" seems pretty romantic enough to me though!
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Jan 21, 2018 04:29
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I guess the core problem may be the assumption that romance is exclusively sexual. Miko doesn't show any kind of sexual attraction to Miki and never thinks about her sexually, or vise versa, but that also doesn't mean that there isn't any possibility of romantic feeling. no one cares about your reading of the show being asexual. whether "they're gay" is a shorthand for "they are a same-sex couple that want to be romantically involved" or "they are a same-sex couple that want to be romantically involved and also mash clams" isn't really important to the actual offense people are taking, which is that you're saying "they're not gay, they neither want to mash clams nor be romantically involved. they're clearly just friends."
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Jan 21, 2018 04:31
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did you read any part of my post after the first sentence
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Jan 21, 2018 04:39
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yes, like i said, "that's not a romantic relationship" is the actual issue people have. "it's not purely sexual" or "it's bi, not gay" or "it's trans" are all weird side-conversations that are tangentially related to what people are actually angry at you for, and you're conflating disagreement or response to one of these conversations as being about all these conversations.
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Jan 21, 2018 04:47
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i mean if people actually have issues with those aspects of your arguments i don't exactly want to be speaking for everyone else in the thread but it seems to me like there isn't anything particularly offensive about those concepts themselves
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Jan 21, 2018 04:48
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whatever your reading, it's really blatant that miko desires a relationship with miki at the end that goes beyond platonic friendship. is this a statement anyone disagrees with?
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Jan 21, 2018 04:50
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You really need to be more specific. The only same sex relationship with romantic undertones is Akira and Ryo's, and the only reason it never becomes explicit text is because Ryo doesn't believe in love. Then again this is all besides the point, who is or isn't gay doesn't matter because the central thesis is a universalized Christian influenced form of love. Hey this is the post that's actually offensive. I can't believe that you participated in the conversation about whether daisuki can refer to platonic love or not and still can't figure out that that's what's offensive about what you've said. People are mad that you saw two people with vaginas say "I love you" and your response was "people who think they're more than friends are overreading"
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Jan 21, 2018 05:05
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I didn't say people who think they're more than friends are overreading, I said basing that on an admission of love is. even if that point wasn't loving stupid, i literally just quoted you saying "The only same sex relationship with romantic undertones is Akira and Ryo's" in the post you are responding to. i don't understand if you're willfully ignoring half my posts or what. Pener Kropoopkin posted:What's offensive to people is the notion that their assumptions are questionable, even to the point of denying sexuality. There's no reason to get mad about an alternative reading. actually, i think that it's more "in this specific case, the theory you are putting forward that these two characters have nonplatonic feelings for each other is really dumb." people can disagree with you about that, to the point of thinking you're a loving moron for thinking that, without it being "my assumptions can not be questioned"
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Jan 21, 2018 05:38
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has imagawa done anything recent
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Jan 21, 2018 07:49
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What exactly is the overall reception of crybaby in japan? Sounds like generally positive but reading about that dude makes me wonder if there's any notable differences in reception compared to here
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Jan 22, 2018 22:45
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will the bluray come with updated animation? obviously there's no censoring to remove
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Jan 25, 2018 05:40
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this thread was pretty good until someone said "miko is only platonically interested in miki" imo
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Jan 28, 2018 20:14
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Kokoro Wish posted:I tell my close friends I love them all the time. Doesn't mean I want to have a romantic relationship with all of them. There's alot of different types of love. just because they did not mash clams on screen doesn't mean they're not gay
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Feb 9, 2018 02:26
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While devil man is certainly a downer I don't think "nothing at all mattered" is really the point. In the end the struggles that the "good guys" went through didn't stop satan, but the point was that they were still valuable and worthwhile. Miki encouraging devilmen to come out and make themselves known was beautiful, and the courage those devilmen showed in announcing their presence was admirable, even as that announcement led to mobs immediately being formed on their doorsteps. It's something where the value of that is meant to be more self evident I think though. From a standpoint of pure practicality, there wasn't any reason for them to do that and it actively led to their demise for no physical gain. But just because it wasn't the perfectly pragmatic choice doesn't mean that it wasn't worth doing.
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Feb 15, 2018 05:16
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AnEdgelord posted:In what way? The demons say humans are all scum who deserve to die, the humans then act like scum who deserve to die, the hero calls the humans scum who deserve to die. I'm not seeing where power is entering into this. The humans who are scum that deserve to die killed all the humans who are not scum and did not deserve to die. Those humans who are not scum existed, were beautiful and courageous in the face of utter annihilation, and that is what made them the heroes. They lost, but the fact that they fought against the scum and were good people despite their defeat being assured makes their efforts more valuable, not less, because they managed to be good people even though there was no logical reason to. Imagine how humanity would have acted if being a good person had more practical benefits, if good people still exist when there's no reason for them to be good Tuxedo catfish made an excellent post earlier in the thread that I'm mostly reiterating, lemme find it
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Feb 15, 2018 06:15
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:okay so there are two points to the Book of Job
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Feb 15, 2018 06:16
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I don't think the takeaway from what happened to miki is "this was a failure" Seems to me more like "miki was a success, if only there were more mikis" "This was all pointless" isn't really a statement made by the show's dramatic framing, events are clearly important and impactful so I think any point the show is making about these events would consider these events to be significant
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Feb 15, 2018 19:46
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AnEdgelord posted:The ending of that scene is a bunch of people parading around with dismembered pieces of miki's body on sticks. This is the same kind of framing G.R.R.M. used in ASOIAF after the Red Wedding where Rob's body was sewn to his wolf's head and paraded around. The kind of message that framing sends is of the character getting thoroughly and completely owned. That both scenes are the culmination of a naive character being swallowed up by the cruelty of the world is no coincidence. I saw it as more of a "jesus on the cross" kind of thing, except that miki's death was less a "she died for mankind" and more "she died because she was too good for mankind" kind of thing. She wasn't naive, she knew exactly what the consequences of her actions would be, she literally watched it happen to others in real time and sent them encouragement as lynch mobs formed on their doorsteps. Her death signifies that humanity is now too far gone to be worth saving, not that it never was I'm also Jewish though so don't take the jesus thing too seriously from me, I only half know what I'm talking about there
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Feb 16, 2018 01:38
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i thought there was visual implication of the cycle in the acidtrip image flurries from the beginning of the show or something, but i might be thinking of it just showing satan's previous defeat
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Feb 16, 2018 20:09
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i would be interested in hearing what really happens in revelations because i really have no clue
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Feb 16, 2018 20:24
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turtlecrunch posted:3) This isn't really a question so much as a comment. I liked the show a lot, and short animes like this tend to be really tight, but I was confused as to the point of Miko and Koda. Miko never gets beyond "mad at other girl for being better at running, then in the 2nd-to-last episode (but also likes her)". Then she dies. Koda has the whole death of his boyfriend, then he gets a little restless staying at Akira's hideout and says gently caress it, I'll just be a demon to survive? Then he dies. I feel like there was some additional elaboration on these two that was missing. But maybe I am not understanding something. I really liked Miko's snapdragons turning into little skulls when they dried up (something snapdragons actually do). imo miko and koda mostly show the two possible paths a devilman can take. miko is crazy vain and petty and that's her primary motivation until she realizes that there's someone she loves, while koda lost his love and thus succumbed to base temptation and a desire to just be on the "winning" side. akira is a devilman who had love in him all along. miko is a devilman who discovered love. koda is a devilman who lost love.
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Feb 16, 2018 23:38
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Smoking Crow posted:by saying that the God of the Old Testament is evil you're condemning the whole Jewish religion i can't say i agree with this, "god is beyond our comprehension but frequently appears to be kind of a dick and we should absolutely look at some of the weird questionable stuff he does in detail, and ask 'hey, why is it ok for god to do this?'" is pretty foundational to my understanding of judaism. "hey, why is it ok for god to do this?" being a question that is ok to ask implies that "hey, it isn't ok for god to do this" is at least a somewhat valid conclusion to come to (though hopefully you won't)
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Feb 16, 2018 23:47
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Old Testament G-Dawg seems like an rear end in a top hat to me, tbh. Does that makes me anti-semitic? when i was in middle school/high school that was my take on god and i consider myself at least vaguely jewish so i'd say probably not
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Feb 16, 2018 23:53
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TheKingofSprings posted:I haven’t watched this show, is it good y/n y
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Eh. They both have a similar tone, but LISA is like 90% about abusive parents and the cycle of abuse, which isn't really in crybaby at all, so I dunno how much else there is to compare thematically. Both being very dark tragedies that are also quite funny is about where that comparison begins and ends, and even then LISA is way more about the comedy than crybaby.
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