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If you haven't paid close attention, you might not have heard recently about a scandal involving a certain Larry Nassar, a former team doctor for various gymnastics clubs, including at Michigan State and eventually the USA Olympics team.  He molested over 150 girls, starting at ages as low as 6. Can you think of an Olympic gymnast this century? Guess what , he molested them. All of them. And many more. https://twitter.com/kimberkoz/status/954066895522713602 Recently convicted on child porn charges and sentenced to 60 years in prison, he also pled guilty to 10 counts of sexual assault, and as part of his plea, the presiding judge allowed for his survivors to step forward and speak about their experiences. This issue is finally gaining press due to recent Olympians stepping forward, including Aly Raisman https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/954388027719147521 Oh, and Nassar wrote a 6 page letter to the judge whining about how difficult it was for him to sit through this testimony of all the abuse he had perpetrated. Here's a good breakdown of how this happened. http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/22046031/michigan-state-university-doctor-larry-nassar-surrounded-enablers-abused-athletes-espn Part of the problem was the girls were discredited. In one case, a girl's father killed himself after finally coming to terms with what had happened to his daughter and how he never believed her. https://ca.reuters.com/article/canadaSportsNews/idCAKBN1F52MS-OCASP Part of the problem is that adults weren't allowed at the training camps or hotel rooms on tournaments, where Nassar did many of his evil deeds. Also, sporting bodies tried to cover this up, including USA Gymnastics trying to force Mckayla Maroney to adhere to a NDA to not talk about the abuse she suffered https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mckayla-maroney-says-usa-gymnastics-tried-silence-her-abuse-story-n831416 But the story doesn't end with just one man. The entire sporting world is caught up in all this - including John Geddert, who coached the women's team in 2012. But even now, the USA Gymnastics team still has athletes training at the site of these molestations, the enablers of Nassar are still in power. They're numerous, they're powerful, and they frankly don't give a poo poo about sexual abuse throughout whatever programs they run. Whether they knew (I think they did), or should have known (no loving question), all of them deserve to be punished for their roles as well. Even upon being informed of the FBI investigation, they didn't do anything to stop Nassar or even let the parents know that their children were being sexually abused. This includes the Karolyis, famously vicious to their athletes (effectively grooming them for Nassar) This includes Steve Penny and Kerry Perry at USA Gymnastics, as well as the board of directors (who are in the process of resigning to escape any heat). And this includes Michigan State's president Lou Ann Simon, who has known about this for years and done nothing. Frankly, this includes the Big Ten, and it includes the NCAA. Gymnastics isn't a money generating sport like football or basketball, so what incentive is there for a coverup like at Penn State? Institutional credibility, presumably. And these arrogant assholes at the top of the ladder would rather cover everything up like the Catholic Church than try to prevent a single girl from being violated. And just because Nassar is in prison doesn't mean the trauma stopped - for instance, one gymnast is still receiving medical bills from Michigan State for her 'treatment' at the hands of Nassar, because MSU frankly doesn't care enough to stop billing her for the assault she endured. So what's the answer? After convicting every single person involved, including those listed above, it's time to end sports as part of educational institutions. It won't prevent everything (for instance, at the club level) but it'll sure as hell help stop the coverups. College sports can't police themselves, and they need to end. All of them. This is out of control and god knows what else has been happening for the last hundred years while the adults in the room laughed it off and enjoyed the spotlight of success. And the only way to do this is through lobbying local, state, and federal officials as well as generating awareness of this travesty to further the lobbying effort. OP note: I did adult gymnastics for about 4 years and have heard numerous stories about how vicious the coaching was to many of my friends, some of them up to the varsity college level. I don't know for sure that none of them encountered Nassar, but the thought makes me sick. He was at meets that some of them were at, was that enough for them to go be seen at his training table? All while the coaches and administration knew? It's infuriating, sad, and sickening all at once. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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PureEvil6_13 posted:I love McKayla Moroney, this sucks. McKayla Maroney posted:"It started when I was 13 years old, at one of my first National Team training camps, in Texas, and it didn't end until I left the sport. It seemed whenever and wherever this man could find the chance, I was 'treated,'" she wrote in her public letter. "It happened in London before my team and I won the gold medal, and It happened before I won my Silver. For me, the scariest night of my life happened when I was 15 years old. I had flown all day and night with the team to get to Tokyo. He'd given me a sleeping pill for the flight, and the next thing I know, I was all alone with him in his hotel room getting a 'treatment.' I thought I was going to die that night." WampaLord posted:Holy poo poo. What else is left? It happened at PSU. It happened at Baylor. It happened at MSU. I'd put money on molestation happening elsewhere, too. These aren't one off crimes, they're endemic to the culture of college sports, and in this case, one that generates no money and only a bit of prestige. Is it worth the damaging the lives of hundreds of innocents so that people can take pride in sports? Again, it won't solve everything but it's time to be draconian. Otherwise we can repeat the exercise of going "wow that's horrible how does this keep happening" over and over. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Jan 23, 2018 04:14
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Yet here, the money angle barely applies. I found 2011 records for MSU that said their gymnastics program was a loss of 800k a year. Meanwhile their leadership, including a woman at the top, did absolutely nothing to prevent her employee from his systematic rapes. And as to a gender issue, Marta Karolyi is absolutely part of the problem and oversaw and assuredly ignored all the abuse both at her camp and at the worlds/Olympics teams. So this scandal isn't about money, it isn't about men protecting men - it's systemic across everyone even in sports that only matter for 4 weeks total every decade. That's what makes it even more shocking than a cover-up for a football team that's focused on protecting the gravy train. This scandal shows it's just about protecting institutions at the expense of everyone else, and since it keeps happening in different places they need to pay.
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Jan 23, 2018 14:58
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Work Friend Keven posted:I’m glad guy made the sports thread in a forum where people think “sports ball” is funny or acceptable. This isn't just a sports scandal, that's the whole reason this poo poo keeps happening. If you focus only on the few coaches involved and not the board of directors or president of the universities, these abuses will continue.
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Jan 23, 2018 18:04
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exploded mummy posted:They fired the coaches, ADs and university presidents in both Baylor and Penn State scandals A few fall guys so that the institutions could carry on doing what they always do. Penny resigned in this scandal, but so what? How does that prevent any future abuse?
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Jan 23, 2018 18:21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e89IWTGdIuQ 25 minutes in, MSU trustee says 'we have more going on than just this 'nassar thing' and that they discussed Simon for 10 minutes out of their 5 hour trustee meeting. Brings up donors multiple times in relation to Simon. He doesn't loving care whatsoever and thinks people will move on when they find out that Nassar was 'on an island by himself' and that Simon will absolutely not get 'ran outta there by what someone else did.' Then he laughs about whether the NCAA might get involved. Laughs.
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Jan 23, 2018 22:06
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Just go listen to that rear end in a top hat MSU trustee's interview - the most important thing in his mind is the new basketball stadium that he's going into, paid for by the donors that Simon gladhanded. There's a vicious vicious cycle where the donors are sought after to pay for sporting complexes, which in turn are used to justify asking for more donations , and everything else can fall by the wayside. That's why losing a bunch of money on programs doesn't matter - it's about the prestige of having the program in the first place. It'll be next to impossible to strip sports from private schools (even with student loan leverage the federal government has over them) but it can absolutely be pushed for against the public ones like MSU. If that ends up with Northwestern sitting alone in the big 10, fine. There can even be club level sports (UIUC has a great ice hockey team for instance) but presumably without the prestige of the varsity sport there'd be less incentive to cover up and perpetuate abuse.
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Jan 24, 2018 18:00
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quote:Reports of sexual misconduct by Dr. Larry Nassar reached at least 14 Michigan State University representatives in the two decades before his arrest, with no fewer than eight women reporting his actions, a Detroit News investigation has found. Simon also said 'i didn't receive a copy of the report because i let it fall to the ground without touching it and had absolutely no intention of caring at all about what was in it, why should I give a poo poo about abuse here' http://www.detroitnews.com/story/tech/2018/01/18/msu-president-told-nassar-complaint-2014/1042071001/ quote:A 16-year-old high school student in Williamston, east of Lansing, Boyce began seeing Nassar after hurting her back in a youth gymnastics program at MSU. quote:In April 2014, MSU alum Amanda Thomashow told Dr. Jeff Kovan, of the MSU Sports Medicine Clinic, about possible sexual misconduct while on a March 24 visit to Nassar’s office for treatment of hip pain. Kovan reported the incident to the Office for Inclusion and Intercultural Initiatives, then the office that investigated sexual misconduct complaints under Title IX laws that bar discrimination on the basis of sex. The accuser also reported the abuse to the MSU police department in May 2014. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 18:06
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StrixNebulosa posted:Ah, my bad. Sorry. He also said his treatments worked, he did nothing wrong, etc. https://twitter.com/kimberkoz/status/956214755097706499 https://twitter.com/kimberkoz/status/956215207881211904
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Jan 24, 2018 18:32
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I'd rather he just be executed, but that's another whole can of worms.SKULL.GIF posted:Taking down all the people who enabled him is going to take years. If it even happens. That's the whole point of this thread. What's extra weird to me is that every person in power over his most recent crimes was a woman (Marta Karolyi, Simon, Klages) and they didn't do a drat thing either. Humans are evil.
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Jan 24, 2018 18:45
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Mahoning posted:Yeah several years ago Dominique Moceanu pretty much came out and said the Karolyis were abusive. She just tweeted out a screenshot the other day of an email she got at the time from that one national team coach who just resigned this week, accusing her of betraying the sport that made her a star. The Karolyis definitely knew what was going on with Nassar and groomed his victims for him. It's disgusting and they should spend their lives in jail as well.
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Jan 25, 2018 00:01
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jabby posted:It's almost at the point where all young athletes need an independent 'chaperone' who monitors all aspects of their training/health to make sure they aren't overworked, bullied, or abused. Because without wishing to be rude, their parents clearly aren't doing that. In a lot of cases, the parents were banned from being at the location of the assaults (Karolyi ranch, tournament hotels). And then yeah, in others, Nassar just did it even with them right there and used his body to block their view and their poor kid didn't know what to do, because, well, they were kids.
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Jan 25, 2018 15:53
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gaj70 posted:I thought we've moved on to the Karolyi's. The complaints there seem mostly around harsh training methods / bullying (honest question: is there evidence they knew of the sexual abuse and didn't say anything?) You think the Karolyis didn't know what was going on for a decade and a half at the camp they ran? They just didn't care.
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Jan 25, 2018 17:00
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gaj70 posted:That answer doesn't sound like there is evidence. Am I misinterpreting? are you loving kidding me
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Jan 25, 2018 17:04
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I'm shocked, shocked that an administration that covers up a nothing sport also covered up for the big boys
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Jan 26, 2018 19:47
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PT6A posted:...no doubt. quote:The biggest impact of Rutgers’s [football] success, though, may be the one on campus. Schools are able to get way more applicants with successful major sports, and in turn be more selective of who they allow to enroll. It helps the school a shitload to be successful in sports - Bama spends more on Saban than any other coach but they almost certainly get an actual return on that investment over what anyone else in sports does (because he wins a title every other loving year). So the incentive to cover up literally everything is gigantic. That doesn't get into the athletes but since I was never a college athlete I can't really speak to the mindset. I think they just pick a place they like and keep doing the sport they enjoy and are good at and reap the social benefits.
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Jan 26, 2018 20:05
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https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/957056460327964673 This is systemic and the NCAA is unable and unwilling to do anything at all.
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Jan 27, 2018 02:55
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Here's the guy who didn't prosecute anyone: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Dunnings_III Was county prosecutor where MSU is, served from 96-2016 until he got arrested on a bunch of prostitution charges. I don't think this has anything to do with the Olympic/NCAA/MSU coverups but God damnit , no wonder the victims weren't believed
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Jan 27, 2018 04:23
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Watching the outside the lines reporting: I hadn't realized that the assistant prosecutor who refused to prosecute the 2010 basketball rape later got a job in the MSU Title IX office.
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Jan 27, 2018 04:32
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Mahoning posted:The rape culture on US college campuses is hardly unique to MSU or MSU Athletics. Are you advocating that we eliminate all colleges and universities? *looks at OP* well, yes, at least with their sports programs. I bet local cops will have less incentive to help with coverups if it's just some rear end in a top hat kid instead of Superstar Recruit #2398
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Jan 27, 2018 20:15
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SKULL.GIF posted:Jesus christ how were there so many quote:Larry Nassar appeared Wednesday in a Michigan courtroom for the start of his final sentencing hearing, and a judge said that a total of 265 people have come forward to declare that they were abused by the disgraced former gymnastics doctor. At this point I think it's reasonable to think 500+. And 'no one knew.' Yeah right.
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Jan 31, 2018 20:27
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quote:Olympics Committee Failed to Act on Nassar’s Alleged Abuse for a Full Year cool. great. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Feb 1, 2018 |
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Feb 1, 2018 21:45
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https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/02/01/us/larry-nassar-police-interview/index.html Read the whole thing. too much to post here on mobile but he was interviewed by police and was like hell yeah I touch them check out this Star trek themed PowerPoint slide titled "where no man has gone before" that I made as to the federal probe, quote:For more than a year, an F.B.I. inquiry into allegations that Lawrence G. Nassar, a respected sports doctor, had molested three elite teenage gymnasts followed a plodding pace as it moved back and forth among agents in three cities. The accumulating information included instructional videos of the doctor’s unusual treatment methods, showing his ungloved hands working about the private areas of girls lying facedown on tables. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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Feb 4, 2018 01:26
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Three of the four major enablers of Nasser were women. The whole system is corrupt
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Feb 10, 2018 14:56
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Maybe also getting prosecuted is the key phrase. These people are all rich and can probably bounce back in a few years to another good job (or look at Simon, she gets paid 750k a year after stepping down). Last I checked, guys like Weinstein aren't being prosecuted for what they did, and since there's less evidence against Simon, Geddert, Marta, etc they're even less likely to be prosecuted which is absolutely terrible and just perpetuates all this.
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WASHINGTON — The former head of USA Gymnastics pleaded the Fifth at a congressional hearing on Tuesday, refusing to answer questions about his role in the sex abuse scandal surrounding Olympic team doctor and serial predator Larry Nassar. How fun
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