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lesser of two evils voters are ignorant and confused at best, and collaborators at worst trump is the result of said strategy and it will only get worse if people keep eating their poo poo sandwich every four years Josef bugman posted:Why is it still so hard after a loss like this for so many people at the very top of the party to actually start adopting outside ideas. they are getting paid too much and why change when people are just going to vote for the lesser of two evils, there's simply no need to adopt outside ideas if people are going to vote for you anyways 90s Rememberer fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Feb 27, 2018 |
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i love that people continually push the "but it's optimal game theory!" as if the election every four years is literally the only goal worth striving for it's optimal game theory if you want to continue the status quo of neocons and neolibs handing off corporate welfare duty to each other a.p. dent posted:Sure, it loving sucks that people say "both parties are the same, durrr." They're wrong. actually they are right maybe you should just listen and stop voting for people who want to carpet bomb children half way across the globe
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Feb 27, 2018 21:13
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voting in the primaries/registering dem is a fool's game, it's a privately owned organization and the funders make the calls/rules, not the voters
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Feb 27, 2018 21:59
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"centrist democrats" is a bit redundant, there isn't a democrat out there who's not a poo poo compromise
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Feb 27, 2018 22:10
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Potato Salad posted:Our political revolution was never about winning the White House alone. It was about building a movement of millions of Americans uniting to upend the status quo and transform our country. why do I care about what Bernie "Vote for Hillary" Sanders has to say? I mean, he's better than 99% of federal level politicians, but he's still a far cry from "good" and his claim to fame is being the only american politician who seems to desire taxing the rich in order to pay for bombing brown children overseas as opposed to just doing it on credit. Potato Salad posted:Having participated in day-of ground game in Atlanta during the Perez/Ellison, gently caress off. This is winnable. it's not but keep telling yourself that (and everyone else, I'm sure the billionaires choosing your political party's agenda will be happy)
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Potato Salad posted:
ahh yes the unthinkable crime of being unilaterally opposed to the us military being used to murder children overseas the idea that you think Bernie Sanders is some sort of untouchable paragon of the left tells anyone all they need to know about your political ideas, I'm sure MSNBC is real entertaining
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Feb 27, 2018 23:05
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Potato Salad posted:I'm the 2036 M4A bill supported by all 4 Dem senators in Disengagement Future. I'm glad they decided to vote symbolically with the socialist party to win some brownie points. It's a shame you guys are down to four senators though. Just think, if only you had turned left maybe you'd at least have a seat at the table of political relevancy.
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Feb 27, 2018 23:07
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Potato Salad posted:Never in history, people tell me never in history has a party realignment or severe shift ever happened. there's one going on right now you're just not on the right side of history any more
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Feb 28, 2018 00:11
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Spanish Matlock posted:Don't vote because your vote doesn't matter and there's literally no way to use a broken system to fix a broken system, so short of a violent uprising, two very similar but marginally different parties will continue to control the United States government. 
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zeroprime posted:Don't vote because things staying the same forever or actively getting much much worse is preferable to any level of incremental improvement. too bad incremental improvement isn't an option (unless your idea of improvement is deportations) 90s Rememberer fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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steinrokkan posted:A non-zero number of people probably thought Trump was the lesser evil. he was, esp if you consider we get a shot at someone who might try to push the country leftward in 4 years as opposed to 8 it's almost impossible for him not to be the lesser evil when he hasn't spent 40 years in government where the impact of your evil is magnified thousandsfold
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you mean the ICE interment camps obama escalated? funny how every bad thing trump seems to accomplish is a bipartisan goal of both parties
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ahh yes the "you have no idea what people are really saying! also i won't tell you." classy and not at all a sign of pathetic liberal rage, just like posting three times in a row
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Radish posted:Look it makes much more sense for thousands of voters to suddenly understand and practice game theory than it does for individual politicians to not be self interested poo poo burgers. lol that you think the voters unaware of game theory are the ones voting third party and not for the better baby bomber like congratulations, you've adopted a strategy that has led to Trump, great game theory, im sure idiot hill voters on these forums will keep blabbering about game theory like their strategies have ever been successful or led to anything but widespread electoral disengagement if you voted Hillary or Trump you're part of the problem not the solution 90s Rememberer fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 30, 2018 |
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Apr 30, 2018 21:27
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Jaxyon posted:Wait are you making the argument that in a FPTP voting system voting third party is the correct way to game it? I'm making the argument that voting for Hillary or Trump does nothing but show your willingness to cede power to the status quo despite both of them being liars who have careers of unethical, immoral and illegal behavior. botany posted:(edit: in a 2 party system and in the general election, for clarity. primary from the left as hard as you can, then pull the loving lever for any garbage can that has a "D" label) Are we still pretending like the Democratic party is incapable of understanding leftist third party votes as discontent with their continued slide to the right? There's always this beautiful thing where third party voter are irrelevant and yet continue to cause the Democrats to lose. Funny how that works.
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Literally any sacrifice is acceptable. That's the problem with "lesser of two evils" as a voting strategy. People would be bleeting about the gamethorey behind why you should vote for Hitler against Hitler+1 completely unwilling to walk away from the 50 year game of "lesser of two evil" chicken the elites have created for us. Also as long as term limits are a thing voting for a bad dem for 8 years is worse than a bad GOPer for 4 due to the opportunity cost lost.
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Apr 30, 2018 21:42
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botany posted:because it's not about you Democrat's political slogan for 2020? It's not about you, it's about having bipartisan support for ICE.
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Apr 30, 2018 21:44
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botany posted:yeah he is, he's a lovely neoliberal. it's still funny to see so-called leftists go all FYGM on these here forums. ahh yes the FYGM of being unwilling to vote for racists who want to continue the ecological disaster that is capitalism while the planet dies
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Apr 30, 2018 21:49
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Jaxyon posted:Yes neither is a stellar person but you're talking about game theory, which means you have to pick the best option whether or not you enjoy it. It's like clockwork, ask a liberal to defend voting for Hillary and they go into "game theory" and "there are only two options". As if the Democratic party isn't capable of figuring out what my vote for La Riva meant.
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reminder that botany is German and most of their ignorance of American politics can be excused like pretending that the erosion of Democratic principles in America hasn't been a fully bipartisan effort i suspect this is a "well the Democrats must be in favor of Democracy" sort of argument
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Apr 30, 2018 21:54
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botany posted:you're literally too loving stupid to understand medium length sentences don't put my loving name in your mouth maybe you have a better explanation for why you could say something so dumb? botany posted:would rather support the GOP than hold your nose lol that brokebrainers keep pushing this line 90s Rememberer fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 30, 2018 |
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Apr 30, 2018 21:59
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actually you'll find that voting for someone who wants to carpet bomb children was the morally justifiable decision
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"but that's how a two party system works" screams the german man from across the atlantic ocean
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botany posted:🎵who gives a gently caress why as long as they do it🎵 lol that thinking dems saying a thing means they are going to do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o
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Jaxyon posted:Never trust the vile lying dem, for he speaks only as a snake does, and then lies with Satan. this but unironically, and about all registered dems OwlFancier posted:If voters are dumb it's because the society they live in has made them so, and that society is a product mostly of the government. lol at thinking it's possible for humans to not be dumb there's a reason democracy isn't compatible with an ecologically sustainable society Grimdude posted:Seems like the people opposed to "lesser evil voting" keep implying that a poo poo tier Republican getting elected has better long term gains than voting in a less than ideal Democrat. Which seems like a really sly way of just making sure Republicans get elected. I'm the guy who describes politicians with decades of racist policy, warmongering and completely selling out to corporations as "less than ideal" and then doesn't understand why people won't vote for his preferred candidate 90s Rememberer fucked around with this message at 23:44 on May 1, 2018 |
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is there a more bad dem opinion than "but Trump gave us ICE!!"
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah, "dems are basically as bad as Republicans" well at least that's true. i mean, if you put the basically there it's not even an argument I'd tell you the dems are worse
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I really don't think it can be understated that the Democratic party does more to damage social progress in the country than the GOP could ever hope to. The GOP openly opposes social progress and people who want that vote for it, and largely get it. The Democrats openly support social progress, people vote for them, and they stab them in the back time and time again. The Democrats have shown time and time again that they are not willing to fight for minorities, the poor, or any other disenfranchised person unless they absolutely have to. You can see it with the "evolution" on same sex marriage. It shocks me that people like botany, who clearly pays some attention to politics, can actually come in here with a straight face and try to pretend like if the Democrats say something they are going to do something. Don't give me this "but they are election promises, you're supposed to expect they are lying". What am I supposed to believe is true exactly? Why should I believe Hillary wants to fight for minorities when she has a long history of the opposite and her predecessor went hole hog on ramping up ICE detention centers when he should have been marching with unions like he said he would. How many times are you suckers going to keep voting for people who openly lie to you over and over again and continuously pursue only ONE agenda, which is that of the oligarchs who own the vast majority of wealth in this country. I mean gently caress, a "flawed" candidate would be a loving massive step in the right direction. Democratic candidates aren't flawed, they are evil people hell bent on creating the world's first quadrillionaire at any cost, even the entire planet. 90s Rememberer fucked around with this message at 00:48 on May 2, 2018 |
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Voting for corrupt politicians hell bent on allowing our current dystopia to keep getting worse to own the conservatives Like fine, all politicans are corrupt and nothing matters. Just don't vote Dem.
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what a shock that the man who advocates voting dem no matter what would use minority groups as a cudgel to attack the left
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ive seen the "neoliberal doesnt mean anything but person who disagrees with me" defense but the "liberal doesn't mean anything but person who disagrees with me" is a new one
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judging people is cool, good, necessary and if you don't judge Jaxyon as a moron I judge you as one
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Jaxyon posted:I think some people in this thread are idiots, but not because they disagree with me. Rather, HOW they disagree with me. 
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Jaxyon posted:I actually posted my whole voting strategy yesterday but the LIBS BAD team didn't like it. That's because this: quote:My job is to vote for the least work option in close elections, because one of those 2 is going to win, because that's how politics works right now in the US. I don't like it, but that doesn't change that. Is demonstrably false. Jaxyon posted:It means you've checked out and they don't have to pursue your vote. The argument that third party voters have "checked out" is just absurd on its face, they are voting for a reason. The fact that Dems don't want to co-op leftist third parties is their problem, not mine. FWIW the reason is because you'll keep voting for them no matter how rightward they go. and just lol at anyone who voted for hillary clinton in 2016 and calls themselves a socialist 90s Rememberer fucked around with this message at 01:36 on May 2, 2018 |
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there's really nothing more craven than trotting out the "but black women voted overwhelmingly democratically, are you saying all black women are stupid or suckers?" in a political discussion most people are ignorant, but yes, the ones who know this poo poo and still vote for dems are stupid and suckers. literally nothing to do with racism and applies the same to republicans fyi
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Jaxyon posted:So the democrats suckered black women? they sucker everyone you racebaiting idiot
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Jaxyon posted:How the gently caress did you fall into the most obvious trap in the world when I literally told you what it was and how it worked? lol if you think I give a poo poo about D&D badlib #3278 to come in here to tell me "actually, you're a racist" Jaxyon posted:Basically would have been the same for folks as Roy Moore, really when you think about it. serious question, what would be different?
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Jaxyon posted:LOL not a lib, not saying you're racist. Your username and av is solid. ahh yes the socialist who votes for liberals to own the capitalists
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