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Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

So who the gently caress is(/was) Q?

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Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

To be fair I don't think I've heard the time travelling bit.

But come on you know what I mean.

I might have to watch The Big Hack again, but it feels very much like the same forces behind the russian hack, cambridge analytica, bot farms, social media exploitation. Generally sowing chaos.

It's hard to say what the intentions of the first few drops were, but surely they could never have imagined it would be so successful.

Unless of course it's just a clever extension of the trump campaign's social media marketing department or whatever.

Basically I've seen a lot of discussion about the theories and the community, but little to no discussion about what's actually behind it. Would love some links if anyones got some.

Fascinating watching it morph lately though, now we're literally talking about solar flares and galactic ascension.

I wonder how much longer trump will stay in it.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

I don’t care about time travel or who they think it is!

I want to know who it actually is

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

RagnarokAngel posted:

I misunderstood, surprisingly I dont think it's ever been revealed. It's honestly, likely, multiple people between the change from 4chan to 8chan and that tripcodes can be spoofed, and a noticeable shift in writing style, it's probably not the same person.

I know it’s never been revealed, but has it ever been seriously analysed though? Has anyone had a proper look at the posts and pieced together the language and characters and themes? I know it’s almost certainly changed but the question remains.

I bet it’s loving Bannon. Not literally and directly, but behind the scenes

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

At least on of the Qs was a reddit moderator. They were stupid enough to post as Q live on twitch

That makes sense. That could still be anyone though. Got a link?

RatHat posted:

Is there any evidence at this point that Q is not just an rando from the internet?

The agenda feels very pointed and specific. And the results are pretty extraordinary, especially considering they’ve done it all with Trump of all people at the centre. Like enough to suspect there is some kind of science to the strategy behind it. But otherwise no, I don’t think so

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

RagnarokAngel posted:

Naw man you're absolutely the first. Like what do you want? You get mad at the crazy conjecture and when given the honest answer, are then mad people aren't making the crazy conjecture you want.

I’m not mad, sorry, it just wasn’t the question I was asking

I obviously don’t think I’m the first but I just haven’t seen much about it. That great big article in the Atlantic didn’t really discuss it, I scrolled through the QAA podcast feed and couldn’t see much, so I’m asking here

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

turnip kid posted:

Does anyone know the provenance of this COPYPASTA that's written by a person who claims to be one of many Qs? Lots of SA Mentions within:

https://pastebin.com/BsyeQe5M

This is terrific, thank you. It sounds exactly like what happened. It only answers part of the question though – it gives us the ‘inspiration’, but doesn’t tell us who the first person to post as this iteration of Q was. But looking at how terrible it all is, it seems almost certain that it was just another poo poo poster. If they were an insider trying to build a credible character, why would they make such specific and easily falsifiable predictions about Clinton and Podesta being arrested on particular days? Obvious troll. A gimmick to get likes and shares and comments and replies, or whatever the 4chan equivalent is.

I think it does matter what’s happened since then though – if someone on the trump team has this direct line to these people, that makes a difference. I’ve been looking through the posts on qmap.pub, and following some of them back to the original posts on 4chan, but it honestly hurts my eyes and my head and I’m not sure how much more I can take.

One thing I’ve noticed is after the first few days of that fragmented kind of thing, there’s a change at post 34 – the one that comes out and says “Q clearance patriot”. It’s possible that’s the point at which someone had noticed the last few days of poo poo posts pick up some traction, and deliberately take it to the next level. Or of course it was just the same person who’d had more time to develop the character. That’s more likely. I’m not even entirely sure how the ID codes work or whatever.

Either way, the gamification of it all is honestly a stroke of genius. Sending people on a treasure hunt by asking those kinds of questions (“What is the mayo clinic? who is on the board of directors? who went to the WH yesterday?”) was astonishingly effective. I doubt it was deliberate, they were probably just playing with an idea and it took off. Surely what’s happened was beyond their wildest dreams.

But there is a vulnerability in the human psyche, which all of history’s cults and religions have played into. And it’s exactly the sort of thing that a mind like Bannon would exploit. But I’m probably being a bit high-minded-ly conspiratorial myself there.

The reason I think it’s worth considering is because Trump, and a chunk of his staff and campaign, are obviously compromised. I’m not across all of the details, but look at Flynn and Turkey, whatever was happening in Ukraine and Russia, etc. the geopolitical stuff seems like it’s not entirely inconsequential. And since Q has been deliberately and systematically trying to exonerate Flynn for example, and discredit the Russia investigation... Which fox has been doing too to be fair, but it does feel fishy. And the 2016 election showed us that they are willing and able to fight dirty on the digital battlefield, shitposts and all.

I think the best bet is a Breitbart staffer or something. The political ideology, the general trollishess, the occasional (debatable) journalistic advance knowledge, the familiarity with the subculture. Maybe it’s literally just the 8kun owners at this point, or maybe they brought them back.


Time Crisis Actor posted:

Well poo poo. I never thought it would happen to me, but one of my friends just started sharing Qanon-adjacent stuff, including that bullshit “Panda eyes” post, and a link which just says “Pizzagate is real”. The worst part is that he works for the federal government in a sensitive position.

That’s why I’m here too. A girl I used to work with about 10 years ago has been posting a lot about the child sex trafficking thing. Then she started calling the George Floyd murder a hoax. I lightly engaged with one of her friends recently after he posted a pic of what I assume are DNC staffers wearing red shoes and saying they were made from the skin of dead children. So I asked about it, and he led me to a massive collection of material deeply rooted in Qannon.

gently caress it here’s the exchange:

quote:

That's an interesting album XX, thanks for sharing. Where does the red shoe thing come from specifically? And what do you think about Donald Trump making James Acosta labour secretary? And what do you make of him saying "I wish her well, frankly" about Ghisliane Maxwell yesterday?

Anytime trump appoints someone its a test... to see if theyre deep state or not. Hes done it all through his presidency. Christopher wray of the FBI is the next to go. Or mike pence. Lindsay graham is compromised imo. And when he says things like that im sure its a troll or theres a hidden message. Misspelling matter. Lot of it relates to Q drops. Have to dig to put the pieces together. Qmap.pub

Strange about Gislaine though, isn't it? She's one of the key figures in a major child sex trafficking case... I mean like he said, he used to live near them, they used to party together, he likes to have his way with women, he knew Epstien liked young girls... Is it possible he's not completely innocent too, and this was a signal to her, to try and get her not to turn on him?

Look up videos (theres multiple) from before 2016 of trump denouncing epstein and calling his island a "cess pool of god knows what"

Sure. But if he knew it was a cess pool, why didn't he say anything before then? He'd been there, he'd partied with Epstein for over 15 years, he knew full well what was going on. He's a rich and powerful guy. But it wasn't until Epstein was already under fire that he mentioned anything, and even then, it was only after he was asked. Did he cooperate with the police to help stop this sex trafficking ring which was happening right in front of him? Did he go and file a witness report?

What about you [old friend]? Does it seem odd to you that when one of the key figures in a major child sex trafficking operation is finally brought to justice, Trump just says “I used to live near her, I wish her well, frankly”? I haven’t got a particularly strong pro-trump vibe from you, I get the the impression you’re a good mum who’s more genuinely concerned about kids. The pizzagate / Q annon stuff comes from an explicitly pro-trump place though… So if he’s maybe not completely innocent, or just doesn’t really seem to care, does that raise any suspicions about any it? Isn't it weird that he knew it was a cesspool, but did nothing to help the investigations? {she's thus far failed to respond}


You have to understand history to be able to understand why now. Also timing. Public optics. People werent ready to ascend into higher conciousness then... thats why he couldnt bring it up. This os bigger than just events on earth. There are solar and galactic events occurring right now that are beyond most peoples comprehension. Like i said... you have to do your own research. I have. I know what i believe. Time will show and prove.

Oh I love history, and you're absolutely right, it's essential to understanding the present. It's all fascinating. What can you tell us about these galactic events?

Basically its all about solar flashes, alignments, and where our solar system is sitting in the galaxy. From my research we cross the galactic equator twice a year. But the 5D ascension is based on conciousness... which is a collective entity. So the more positive vibrational output the faster it speeds up the timeline if that makes any sense. Thats why mathematicians look at life as a simulation cause they cant explain the ethereal factors that exist on this planet. And every solar system abides by its own laws of physics and conciousness. Hard to explain unless you have a grasp on half these concepts already

Yeah I’ve got a grasp of these concepts, all good. Someone as materialistic and ego-driven as trump, who cares so much about status and perception of power, seems much more likely to keep us in the 3D realm rather than facilitating the 5D ascension of consciousness, doesn’t he?

ego driven - sure. But hes successful and the president of the most powerful country in the world... and worked his way there, dont let the media fool you. He works hard. Was given a lot. But also works hard. Obama was the definition of a narcissist and they gave him the nobel peace prize. You have to always look at the whole context. Trump might be materialistic but hes also giving. Countless stories, one of him paying off a families mortgage who picked him up on the side of the road. Gave black entrepreneurs loans and then ripped up the check they went to pay him back with. The best thing you can do is turn off the TV and form an opinion for yourself. I have. And its nobodys choice but ours what reality we desire to live in and ascend to, its a collective process that one man cant sway on his own...

Man it’s so true about TV. I never watch it, can’t stand it, much prefer to make up my own mind. You gotta be careful about media in general really. So when we look at Trump.. I mean, after using his father’s money to buy a building, he basically refused to pay taxes and stiffed contractors whenever he could, and still managed to bankrupt a casino. The business model of licensing out the Trump name to other properties seems to have worked well enough though.
His character was pretty well established - he bragged about assaulting women, he bragged about going back stage at the Miss universe contest, he sexualised his daughter as soon as she was born…
But by the end of the 90s he had largely drifted away. Until 2004, when Mark Burnett came along and rehabilitated his image with the Apprentice, and used TV sets to make him look like a proper mogul.
So when 2016 came along… people like Steve Bannon, were able to use groups like Cambridge Analytica, to systematically target certain media markets in key states, to give him the electoral college.
Since then, he’s openly used the presidency for his personal profit to promote his brand and bill the government. I mean, that part is good business at least. Shame it’s at the taxpayer’s expense.
I’d love to know more about this generous side you mention, where did you hear that?


Just pull up a list of all his executive orders hes written since he took office and tell me how many are negative impacting on the american people. You have to understand hes not a perfect person but hes the right person to take down the deep state and the dirty human trafficking cartel. All good things. Despite his character. Obama is a kenyan born muslim brotherhood supporter who created ISIS and race wars in the US. Among a huge list of other crimes against humanity... the bush family committed genocide and bombed their own people... but everyones on trumps back... all i gotta say is peoples "priorities" are way outta whack and "trump derangement syndrome" is a real thing.


What’s interesting is how it now seems to have come back full circle to the first Q's original intention – a literal, messianic, "heaven’s gate" style cult. And I think it's starting to suck in some more people, which could pretty easily have real world consequences. The tricky part is going to be giving these people a way out which allows them to save face. Because I don't know how much longer Trump can stay in the picture. And he's not actually necessary for these newcomers who are about bringing down the cabal to ascend to higher plane.

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Jul 25, 2020

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Not sure if the 'QAnon Anonymous' podcast is just standard listening in here, but episode 94: "The New Age to Q annon pipeline" (June 3) is extremely good journalism

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Chuka Umana posted:

Never thought I'd see "good journalism" and "podcast" in the same sentence.

... If you're being serious, that's a really weird thing to think man. It's a fantastic medium. Long form, conversational, primary source audio. The reporters get to go on a journey and we get to ride along with them, without having our eyes locked on a screen.

Please don't miss out. I don't want to turn this into PYF podcast, but honestly, there is some seriously great journalistic content out there. Start with that one at least.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I remember some goon somewhere chiming in a few months back that we really weren't ready for Q to turn into Satantic Panic Round 2. That episode was very unnerving to see regular conspiracy ramblings take the smallest rotation to perfectly fit into the Instagram mom blog sphere.

Yeah gently caress, they mention in the episode that the lockdowns and the Plandemic film seem to have caught a lot of these people, and I just went back and checked my friends FB page, it was exclusively cute baby photos until April 12 this year, when she posted a photo of Bill Gates and the macro "THINK - the same person that thinks the earth is overpopulated wants to save your life with a vaccine." and the comment:

quote:

I just read this beautifully written post from my girl X. This is exactly how I feel. Thank you for writing this girl its like you read my mind ❤.

"Good morning. I am, what some of you would label as a conspiracy theorist. I do not trust the government or the media. I think for myself.
I have researched some really dark and unsettling topics. The rabbit holes were creepy and scary. Am I a freak tho? NO. I care about everyone. Even about the ones who think negatively about me.
I'm a spiritual being who's not afraid to look up truth to find answers, whether it be a disturbing truth or not. I talk about spirituality and the illuminati and I'm not afraid of different perspectives or potential truth.
I keep an open mind and go with what resonates in my gut. Theres so much information bombardment on the internet. I take in what I feel is right for me.
I have noticed that others who don't see things the same way, get reactive and always have something to say that is there truth, without accepting another's truth. Comments that eventually personally insult the other from a place of ego, or "I'm right" attitude.
What even is freedom of speech anymore?
That is getting taken away at an alarming rate these days. Its everyone's God given right to speak out with their truth. Theres no need for immature insults or blasting people with ignorance. Knowledge isn't just something you learned in school, or from a book or a scientist. What we learn in school, is how to be conformed into a society that makes you work to make the rich richer. To be controlled. To be used as a number (social insurance number) to be nothing more, than a loving number for the ones who own you.
People have always relied on others to do their thinking for them in the last 100 years. Living their cookie cutter lives inside their boxes, while watching the idiot boxes with their t.v. "programming" that puts the ideas in your mind for you, so you dont have to think for yourself.
Before that, they listened to their selves and the ways of nature. They were guided by spirit. God, consciousness... however you feel. That truth Is being smothered more and more every decade. Dont forget where we came from."

The one week later came the Out of Shadows film and other Qanon links. And now we're at george floyd hoax, trump was right about the infrared, and today it's "twitter changed their terms of service to allow pedophiles".

I think I'm going to show her a screen shot of the front page of 8kun and ask if she knows what it is and what she thinks of this kind of platform.


And to be fair, satanic panic was built in to Q from the beginning wasn't it? "Evil" was there in the first few days and I'm pretty sure I saw Satan specifically mentioned in the first month or so.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

The main question to me still remains the extent to which it is Orchestrated vs Organic.

There are two seemingly irreconcilable facts: how terribly, laughably poo poo it is, and how staggeringly effective it is.

It's possible for something poo poo to accidentally catch on. It's also possible for something orchestrated to deliberately look like poo poo because they knew exactly what they were doing, and how to fit in to that subculture.

It's obviously done a lot organically. That's part of the genius of it. But the question remains whether there is any orchestrated intent behind it, and if so how far up it goes. Is it a junior programmer on the WH communications team? Is it an agency? Is it a full blown deep state thing? It's a lot of work for a troll. It must be exhausting, to carry that collective energy, have so many hundreds of thousands of eyes poring over your every keystroke for the last 2.5 years. But then of course the thrill would be a goldmine.

I was about to give up on the orchestrated part, but then found out they were trying to discredit Snowden too:

https://twitter.com/Suzi3D/status/1000060035140083712?s=20

Which plays into the Gish Gallop of it all, but she's right about how clinical it all is, and that's what's pricked my ears up. It's just so goddamn weird.


edit - it's probably also worth dividing it into its parts: Pre-Covid (which has at least 3 parts of its own), and Post-Covid, with the new influx of spiritual mums etc.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

FilthyImp posted:

8... kun? Do I even want to know how much worse it is than 8ch???



I think it's basically the same thing, maybe a bit worse.

This is literally where Q lives.

Like I said a while ago, the tricky part is going to be giving these people (instagram mums) a way out which allows them to save face.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Well I watched the Out of the Shadows video, which explains a lot of the recent resurgence of the Pizzagate phenomenon. 17 million views in 3 months, and another 5 -10 million on the bootlegs.

Very high production values, compelling editing. Engaging protagonist, a hollywood stunt man, with a plain but captivating speaking style. Mike Smith is his name, who is also listed as the director. There are no credits, and the production company is listed as simply "outofshadows" production. There are no other details on the channel or the website.

Starts with the underlying thesis is that the media has a huge influence on our lives. Spends the first 2/3 talking about documented 'conspiracies', like media consolidation, MK ultra, Michael Aquino, and the Gulf of Tonkin.

Then pivots pretty sharply into Pizzagate for the final third. Still nothing other than the 'code word' idea. The whole thing seems to be literally built on one email which says "get a pizza for an hour", and one that says "the realtor found a handkerchief with a map that seems pizza related". The journalist in question, Liz Crokin, seems sincere. I don't know if she has an agenda or how she got caught up in it.

It did lead me to Marina Abramovic's work, and holy moly that is some intense stuff. If you're not familiar with the world of performance art then it's pretty easy to twist the Spirit Dinners into something sinister, and this movie certainly does that.

Also it's sad that Satanism is still getting such a bad rap.

It's on a completely different level to Fall of the Cabal, which I still haven't finished, and which almost feels cute in comparison. This is studio-level quality.

It's a bit a of a masterpiece really, although I was hoping for a lot more hollywood gossip. Instead it's almost literally just a rehash of pizzagate, with a fancy conspiracy 101 intro.

So, it goes back to intent. There are people who do genuinely believe this stuff of course, millions of them. And maybe Mike Smith is one. And once you believe this stuff, then of course you're going to go on a serious crusade. He's certainly very convincing. Apparently he got put on to it all when he got injured and went to a pelvic floor therapist, who asked if she could pray for him, and then she started telling him about this hosed up satanic stuff going on with the elites torturing children and told him to do some research.

But again, deliberately or otherwise, the whole thing is essentially laying the foundation to discredit the democrats, and set Trump up to be a righteous warrior. Although it makes no mention of Trump, even when talking about Epstien's flight logs, strangely enough.

And if it is deliberate, which surely it must be, that is pretty drat concerning, and means we are fighting a different battle than one against someone stupid enough to genuinely believe this stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY8Nfzcn1qQ

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Haha no I mean does q anon say any poo poo like oh look everyone on apprentice is actually being tested to be a deep state counter agent! Or some bullshit

Searching Q drops for "apprentice" returns zero results.

Not sure if the Qniverse has invented anything on their own, haven't seen anything though.

You'd think that with the 'mockingbird'* stuff (which interestingly, was the first word of Q's first 'post'), that a few years of a hit television show restoring their righteous warrior to a celebrated place in society, there'd be something worth mentioning, but no literally nothing. Looks like Q doesn't want people to look at that show.



* CIA controlling the public through the media

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Dr Christmas posted:

For all the primacy of adrenochrome in their theories, has there been a Q post about it?

Nope. Nor Pizza.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Illuminti posted:

It's unfortunate for them that they have made Trump the core of their belief. They will inevitably lose followers when Trump is booted out of office and becomes little more than a side show

Or, they'll see it as the Deep State fighting back against their rightfully elected virtuous warrior, who has already signalled that an election he doesn't win is rigged, either directly though mail in ballots, or indirectly through the media bias, and then they'll head out with their loving assault rifles to murder people

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Can report I shared the screenshot of the front page of 8kun with my old acquaintance, of course she didn't know what it was, and we seem to at least have a foot in the door:

Hey XX. Hope you're keeping well. I wanted to ask a question, I hope it's ok. What would you think about an internet platform like the one in this picture. Do you know what it is?

I've never seen this kind of platform before.. what is it?
Looks sick as gently caress though by the titles. Yeesh

It's 8chan
You know Q?


Like QAnon? I do know who they are. I dont follow them on Twitter or anything
Is this a channel of theirs?

It's literally where they live
It's where all the Q drops come from


How do you know?
Genuinely curious
Didnt mean that in a snarky way lol

This is where all of the theories about trump being on a crusade to fight pizzagate come from
It's just the facts, you can see for yourself if you follow any of the posts back. It's not a secret or anything
It started in 2017 on a similar board called 4chan, which was awful, but then moved to one called 8chan, which is even worse. It's based out of the phillipenes literally a place for pedophiles and the worst of the web etc
Now it's actually called 8kun
you can look all this up
it's also the place where the mass shooters post their manifestos
the thing is it's all anonymous, that's why it's called QAnon
It's broken out of there now of course, it moved to reddit pretty early, and then it took on a life of its own, with people creating their own channels, but this is, and always has been, the source of it all
You can see it all for yourself here: https://qmap.pub/
if you click the yellow 'sort' button it'll show them from the beginning


How crazy. I will certainly take the time to look through this soon! I'm currently one-eyeing my screen I'm so exhausted.
Thank you for sharing that though I'll check it out asap and get back to you!

No worries, take your time
I believe you’re a good person with a good heart


Thank you - I really appreciate that. And I feel the same about you!
I appreciate you commenting and giving the flip side
You do it extremely respectfully

Hah thanks, I do try

I enjoy learning about it all.
Well, enjoy is the wrong word for the type of poo poo I'm learning about
But you get the idea

child sex trafficking is absolutely real, and it’s horrific, and it’s not what the people on this board care about.
They care about keeping trump in the white house. You can see that pretty clearly, either explicitly in the posts, or just below the surface.
Good people like yourself care about it of course. A mother protecting a child is the most powerful force in the universe.
And that's exactly why they've created this narrative.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

:siren: UPDATE :siren:

"There is a lot of sense in what your saying
Why would they want to keep Trump as president though? Like go to that extent?"

He embodies the idea that rich white men should be able to just do whatever they want. Grab ‘em by the pussy, gently caress the environment, gently caress foreigners, cut health care, give money to the military, tax cuts for corporations billionaires, etc.
That appeals to a lot of people.
As for the effort to go that extent, it’s actually pretty cheap for political advertising. The people do the work for you. You find or create a few stories, get them retweeted by the right accounts enough times, use bots if you have to, and it takes on a life of its own.
Have you seen The Great Hack? What Steve Bannon did with Cambridge Analytica feels very familiar to what’s happened here. They use data to weaponise social media.
I don’t think they necessarily invented Q. But they have definitely had a role in shaping and guiding the community that has sprung up around it.


Now, to be fair, she wasn't completely "pilled" on Q. But she was completely sold on Plandemic and Out of Shadows and this whole sex trafficking thing, which is really just the new iteration of the same force. Q and #wherearethechildren are tools of the same goal



Also I did watch the Great Hack again last night. It feels like there is absolutely no way that Bannon et al are not involved in this. Or at least, the people who are involved in this are using the exact same blueprints and strategies that Bannon has done dozens of times, including with the trump campaign. Building the same narrative, creating and disseminating memes in certain groups for digital warfare - they showed us exactly how it was done. They showed us that they can clinically create any kind of campaign, have it catch on in a way that looks organic (because a lot of it will be), and have that influence culture enough to suit their political aims. And again, they didn't have to literally create Q, although hats off to them if they did, it's nice to see a bit of playfulness amongst the evil every now and then. But really, all they have to do is help shape the movement that sprung up around it. They can still create material that then feeds back to Q, who reinforces it, and now here we are 2 years later and 100 days out from an election, with tens of millions of people actually believing that the democrats are literally involved in a massive satanic child sex trafficking operation which is taking 800,000 kids per year. Pizzagate was "Created" (not necessarily invented, but amplified to the point where it became an actual thing) by Russian bots.

And no, it doesn't have to make sense, and there is no accountability. They just have to create enough chaos by sowing the seeds of disinformation to destabilise the very idea of "truth" or "facts", and then they can do whatever they gently caress they want. Kellyanne Conway, (who came from the same time and place as Bannon) has been explicitly doing it since day one.

Even with that aside, every #whereareallthechildren post is one less #blacklivesmatter post. There are only a finite number of seconds to scroll a feed. A finite amount of attention. If they can get people worrying about something other than a failed administration, they get points.

Just because Cambridge Analytica may have been shut down, absolutely does not mean these people are not still doing it. They're not going to say "oh well, that was fun while it lasted, guess we won't do any of that anymore." Bannon literally invented a superweapon and will continue to use it to further his political goals. With a candidate like trump, who even a lot of conservatives reject, they need everything they can get. So now, we are seeing a targeted pivot towards the sex trafficking and spiritual awakening community.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Is this any different than the “meme magic” 4chan was crowing about back in 2016 when they thought they willed trump into the presidency? I don’t see how the political landscape would be any different now without pizzagate or qanon—they’re both symptoms of a deeper systemic issue that has republican diehards used to dehumanizing democrats and behaving as if they believe Bill Clinton murdered Vince Foster because they don’t care about anything except winning on the one hand and gullible boomers buying into the satanic panic and ghosts or ufo abduction on the other. I don’t know that Cambridge Analytica itself had much of an effect last time compared to the cultural conditions being perfectly set for someone like trump to win and invalidate a system that everyone had already lost confidence in.

I mean, I guess I’m saying the behavior and desire comes first, and that these people would mostly act the same way and believe the same things without q, just fixating on something else instead.

You're right about it being pre-existing, and drawing on decades of dehumanising the democrats, but I think you underestimate the power of CA and the science behind it. They are able to identify that phenomenon, and amplify it to the point where yes, it has an affect it might not have otherwise had. They got enough votes in the right places to win the white house despite loosing the popular vote by 3 million points. There are no real rules, it's survival of the fittest, and these guys just got a fuckload fitter by figuring out how to weaponise this new social media.

These people may be predisposed to act this way and believe these same things, but that just makes them all the more ripe for exploitation.

And they do get new ones. My acquaintance and the spiritual mums would not be telling people to discredit the BLM movement without this interference.


Also, just noticed that the very first Q drops came the day before Mueller filed his first charges against Manafort.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Another Bill posted:

https://twitter.com/OPPOcast/status/1288078247746367488

I haven't listened to this yet but it's an excellent investigative podcast, I'm sure this episode is no different.

Yep this is excellent too, and one of the hosts even gets bonus points for identifying the Star Trek connection to Q at the end

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007


A lot of the stuff on the dauntlessdialogue page seems true, does anyone have any data on arrests pre-2017? ie is the current rate of arrests statistically unusual?

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Oh man, one of the comments on that page of arrests gets so close:

quote:

Very good Article, thank you!
I didn’t see any high power elite personallies. Where is the Hillaries, & her ad that skined the flash off of a 10 yr old girl, then wore that skin on her (Hillary) face. Then drain the child’s blood and drank it. Where are those people in tge Article, or the many US politicians that have resigned or retired to pervent discloser of their act of crime.
Most of the politicians are no higher then a Mayor. Why not provide the names of the Royals that where caught? There needs to be a wall of shame of all of these people, like top officals of Vatican, such as Pope Francis?
This article is grand, and very informative , but it lacks the in depth levels of exposure that needs to be exposed. SOOO, what is the Law Enforcement hiding? Why hasn’t any of these people been exposed to the public? The law is to be applied equally, NO One is above the law! Tge Golden Rule: Do No Harm!

And another one lays the strategy bare:

quote:

“It is becoming very clear that the reason the Democrats are after Trump is because they are being used by the “elite” scum to try to remove him in a desperate attempt to save their skins.
This is the ultimate proof that the left have to be wrong since this sort of behaviour is stamped out and not tolerated by a right win system that is based on Christianity and the rule of law.”

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Wanderer posted:

Pizzagate in particular only makes any sense at all to anyone if they went into the conversation previously convinced that Hillary Clinton was one of David Icke's lizard people.

The growth of the movement over the last few months, and the inclusion of the spiritual (edit - 'yoga mum') set, suggests that's not entirely true anymore

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Jul 30, 2020

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

The screenshot of the front page of 8kun seems like a pretty good way to discredit the idea that they are righteous warriors fighting a holy war against satanic sex traffickers

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Found what appears to be a good chunk of the original FBIanon posts, which is clearly the inspiration for Q, if not Q themselves trying the first iteration of the character:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1079382699142496256.html

If anyone has a link to the original archived thread I'd love to see it.

edit - Highlights:

"Repeat something often enough and it becomes the truth. Repeat after me: Hillary is evil and will destroy the planet."

"Russia has no desire to go to war with us, so if they are meddling in our elections (which I believe they are) then it is because they do not want
HRC to provoke a conflict which she is likely to do. She is a vicious idiot"

"The problem is with the Clinton Foundation as I mentioned, which you should just imagine as a massive spider web of connections and money laundering implicating hundreds of high-level people."

"My personal goal is to make sure HRC never gets elected."

"As an aside, when you are reading Podesta's e-mails, remember that the Clintons deal in weapons, drugs, and people. Some terminology in use is far more nefarious than many of you suspect."

"If there is anything to gain from this, it is FOCUS ON THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.
If you keep pressing the foundation and do not let the questions or demands die, then the truth will out.
Follow the Foundation."

> CF/Hillary --> Qatar --> Lagardere --> Bataclan
> Yes or no?
"Correct. There is a missing link, but the thread is correct."

> What should we follow specifically?
"Why do HRC and the CF have ties to certain Indian businessmen, who, in many instances, have been routinely accused of pedophilia?"

"HRC loves power and death."

>Did Hillary have sex with kidnapped girls? "Yes."

> Is there any sign or reference of Moloch/Minerva in the CF? Any occult or weird symbolism?
"Plenty, if you know what to look for."

> What are Trump's true motivations?
"He wants to Make America Great Again. He despises the powerful who have enabled themselves by throwing smaller people under the bus."

> How many people has the CF had killed in this election?

"At least 14."

>We have everything. Trump has many things. Why doesn’t Flynn (who I know knows enough to indict her)
saying anything?
"The same reason I cannot. If the truth came out, you all may believe. But who else would? It is too dark for anyone to stomach."

"I could go into my office, pull all the docs, come home to my pc and upload tons of dirt on HRC right here.
But do you know what will happen? Google will remove it, and then this website will be shut down."

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Jul 30, 2020

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

I asked on knowyourmeme.co, but haven't had any luck yet - does anyone have a way of knowing where the hashtag #whereareallthechildren came from?

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/whereareallthechildren

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

"Conspirituality" was first documented back in 2011:

https://medium.com/@julesevans/conspirituality-the-overlap-between-the-new-age-and-conspiracy-beliefs-c0305eb92185

https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/conspirituality


It could have happened naturally, but it's also extremely possible this was deliberately exploited

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

It's Kushner and Parscale. It's part of their digital strategy. With the help of Bannon and Stone, probably Joel Zamel, and someone from wikileaks was in there too, possibly even at the coal face. In november 2015, Assange called Clinton a "well connected, sadistic sociopath". Wikileaks didn't just release all the emails, they also specifically highlighted the "spirit cooking" thing.

I don't mean literally writing Q necessarily, but nurturing that universe, massaging the narrative, orchestrating the spread of organically created content, amplifying it in the right places to get it on the right platforms.

2016 showed us their power. They can hack, they can leak, they can create a conspiracy out of nothing, they can amplify it, they can get people to believe it, and they have a network of thousands of bots to amplify them further. They're not working in vaccum, they had decades of conservatives poisoning the well to work with, and an entire republican media ecosystem to draw upon. And if that still doesn't work, they can just literally invent rallies and protests and demonstrations and trick people into going, and then invent things for them to get mad about or whatever so their stories take off. They know exactly what they're doing, making poo poo up to sow chaos. They have succesfully destabilised the very idea of "truth".

We're now 4 years down the track, utterly exhausted from the endless Gish Gallop of disinformation (remember when they straight up changed the language on GOP policy on Ukraine back in the 2016 convention?), and they are doing it again right in front of our eyes.

Looking at this newest wave of Q converts, shows they have what basically amounts to a magic wand - An actual brainwashing, mind controlling, bit of media wizardry, which we know they can target with clinical precision. They don't even have to be full Q converts - they just need people to hesitate over the BLM movement of example, or have lingering doubts about the progressive elites.

They are now almost certainly behind #whereareallthechildren. The giveaway is that they're using the exact same narrative architecture. They've just had a few years to focus group it and refine it. It has all the hallmarks of a slick Cambridge Analytica campaign.

It’s not even just about this movement, or this storyline specifically. This can all fall apart. But they'll be back again in 4 years. Bannon won't stop trying to enact his nationalist agenda. And we know that they have this power. Whether it’s orchestrated or organic, whether they invented Q, produced ‘out or shadows’ directly, or simply created the conditions it which they could emerge naturally - the result is the same. This is deliberate, and in the hands of a government which is actively laying the groundwork to reject election results; and gleefully warming up their own military force to abduct citizens, is extremely dangerous.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

"Save The Children" popping up in a lot more places: https://www.facebook.com/100039117920766/videos/302729117707683
(this was posted in a fathers group just now, and another friend shared some material this morning from someone one click away from a deep Q album)

Also, a 127 page PDF of all of FBIanons posts: https://paulfurber.net/pdf/fbianon.pdf

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

There's never credible evidence with anything related to Q

Abramovic invited Podesta to a spirit cooking dinner
Weiner sent lewd photos to a 15 year old
Bill Clinton went to Epstien's island
Hillary deleted 30,000 emails
Seth Rich was murdered

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

gently caress, got another one in Australia, a hardcore spiritual hippy, who starts posting about sex trafficking and pedophiles on the 5th June.

This was the tip of the spear:

https://ourrescue.org/
https://www.facebook.com/OURrescue/

And they appear to be legit, ie, not a front for Trump or QAnon. Which is very loving troubling. They have Tony Robbins speaking for them.

Then on the 17th of July comes a literal "red pill" post. And a few days ago a meme dump, including a clearly faked clinton email asking huma to bring her "hammer to comet pizza cos sacrifice night gets my heart racing". And of course the kicker: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10158722397204742&set=pcb.10158722315894742

I don't actually know her, but yesterday a friend shared a thing about "sex trafficking awareness" and my alarm bells started ringing, so I checked where it came from, and sure enough here we are.

It's the goddam anti-vaxxers.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

#BillClintonIsaPedo hashtag is treding on twitter is, so if anyone is wondering how deliberately orchestrated that is, here are some of FBIAnon's post's from 2016:


July 28:
The task is this: unleash every meme, image, and horrible story about HRC that you can muster while she gives her speech tonight. You all must find a way to visible disrupt her nomination speech. It can be done – but it is up to you on how to do it

I find your memes are not spreading the way they should because the effort is not yet there. For the most part, you all seem to trade the images amongst yourselves and other select image boards. In order to be effective, you must proselytize. For example: Start a website aggregating the images/facts and then try to get it linked to Drudge. Shove the images down every news anchor/journalists throat. Push out to people who you normally would have nothing to do with. HRC and Correct the Record invade your circles. Why don’t you invade theirs?


“We should be spreading memes to /r/HillaryForPrison and /r/The_Donald subs on Reddit. Communities there are less…ostracized from the rest of the internet than /pol/ is. For example, Google censoring Trump from searches for “presidential candidates” was first discovered in /TrumpGen/ and posted on The_Donald. It was featured on Fox News the next day.”
Good idea, but it is also necessary to spread information on left-leaning sites. Tumblr is a good place to invade.

I think I know what FBIAnon is getting at. He want us to blitz Twitter, Tumblr, and all social media with memes on the Clinton Foundation tonight, on the last night of the DNC. We should get on it now, sooner the better. We need TrumpGen with us, and the meme division blasting the Tumblr tags. Bring up the old methods that /b/ used to use during their Tumblr raids. We’re going to war tonight.
“You are 100% correct”

What’s the best way to overcome the unwillingness people have to confront just how evil all these fuckers are?
“Repeat something often enough and it becomes the truth.
Repeat after me: Hillary is evil and will destroy the planet. “

My personal goal is to make sure HRC never gets elected.

And I have said, and will continue to say, more leaks will come. The time is not right yet. Expect an October Surprise.

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Aug 3, 2020

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Mad Hamish posted:

Asking the room, would it be unethical to start up a scam Kickstarter to extract money from Qanon idiots to crowdfund sunglasses for the mole children that were rescued from Killary's Comet Pizza basement torture chamber?

If you give the money to a child rescue organisation then of course not, absolutely.

If you don't, then still probably not, no.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Well that was a lot harder than I expected, but here's a thing, thanks for the help in figuring it out, hope you enjoy:

https://medium.com/@daniel.ed.morri...gn-c3e5b89dd734

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Catalyst-proof posted:

My dude, that’s literally what they wrote:



Either they support Q, or they’re a terrible loving writer because they think by co-opting the vocabulary of the crazy people they can make some weird kind of fart-sniffing equivalence about how there really *is* a Deep State, it’s just not the ones Qanons think! And how we need a spiritual ascension, just not the one Qanons want! I don’t want a loving spiritual ascension, and there isn’t a conspiratorial deep state. So what the gently caress is he trying to say?

It's pretty clearly a tongue in cheek attempt to appeal to the Q followers (specifically the recent ones) by overtly co-opting their language. I don't know how you could read it and think otherwise. Maybe it went a bit far. Sorry you didn't like it, you seem weirdly mad about it though.

Giving them a way out that allows them to save face is important and if it can help any of the new converts out then great. And that picture of St Michal is bad rear end, and was deliberately used because it's what they use. It's a bloody long and complicated article and needed a strong finish.

And like, it's kind of true. There is a deep state, it's basically the Mercers, Kochs, and a bunch of Russian Oligarchs. Whatever, choose your own adventure.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Catalyst-proof posted:

My dude, that’s literally what they wrote:



they’re a terrible loving writer

Look this hurt a bit at the time but I think you’ve got a point, it did get carried away, so I’ve gone back and edited it a lot more, and feel the whole thing and particularly the end is better now, so thank you.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

johnny dappertweed posted:

Climate scientists understand better than anyone there's a death cult conspiracy succeeding at destroying our civilization at rapid pace- why aren't these cowards doing everything in their power to stop the conspiracy? (Question is partly sincere.)

Extinction Rebellion gave it a pretty good go. So did all the school kids around the world.



I use the past tense there but it was all very active right up until February, hopefully it's just paused.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Impatience is beginning to brew:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/158692114782303/permalink/614698015848375/

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

It feels like people still aren't taking the evidence that this was a clinically crafted campaign seriously enough:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/us/politics/rick-gates-psy-group-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-witness-team-gamed-out-russian-meddling-in-2015

https://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/business/joel-zamel-israeli-campaign-specialist-sought-by-governments-and-billionaires/

https://citizentruth.org/the-shadowy-world-of-information-warfare/

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/02/18/private-mossad-for-hire

https://www.timesofisrael.com/multiple-trump-campaign-staffers-reached-out-to-israeli-firm-under-fbi-probe/

https://twitter.com/Cecalli_Helper/status/1293639129457217536?s=20

https://twitter.com/MatthewPennMSU/status/1293704809825087490?s=20

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1032818217788551168?s=20

https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1160651039604789248?s=20

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1095126514453172224?s=20

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Aug 13, 2020

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Apr 13, 2007

Phobophilia posted:

If Q was an intelligence-led op from the get go, they wouldn't be so constantly and absurdly sloppy, they wouldn't do amateur poo poo like post photoshops of Obama-era Air Force One. And they wouldn't have started their operation on the child porn webforum run by sexpat serial killers living in the phillipines.

No, the people who started Q were real, in that they were real pieces of poo poo and real losers posting from suburban houses, rather than office buildings. If they got any purchase in the minds of the maga, they made posting Fun, a community to behave as psychotically as they want and desire. The most intel communities can do is signal boost them to be used as useful idiots that can be directed against their shared enemies.

There was nothing to lose. The first Q drops came the day after Mueller brought charges to Manafort and Gates. Stone's mates. It didn't matter, they just wanted to create as much energy as possible. These characters cost nothing. So they pulled out FBIanon with a cool new name and slightly different story. When the days passed and deadlines came and went and they still had people believing it, they probably said "huh", and tried to see how far they can take it. Now it's adapting to everything and mutating and spreading like a virus and infecting the world, creating this alternative narrative, which is their explicit objective. We're watching a robot run through the streets with a brain washing gun, getting people to spout their exact propaganda, and these guys are standing there with the brochure and a quote. To be clear, that proposal was for delegate wrangling at the convention. But of course that is not its only application. And tell me a company that uses code names like "Lion" for Trump wouldn't also produce some of the language we see in Q.

And technically it was 4Chan at that point, owned by Hiroyuki Nishimura. But if child porn webforum run by sexpat serial killers living in the phillipines is where you could create something like this, then that is exactly where they would go.

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Aug 14, 2020

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