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Vinylshadow posted:I don't know what the odds are of them recreating the Rebels Episode Twin Suns from Obi-Wan's perspective would be Stephen Daldry's rumored to be directing, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a child/teen character in the movie for him to pal around with.
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sponges posted:In TPM he’s less an actual character and more of a weapon of Palpatine. Well there's your problem - you just need to watch too many episodes of a cartoon from 5 years ago, where all of his character development happened. You can't possibly hope to comprehend the complexity of the character until you've seen Darth Maul team up with his brother named Savage Oppress to become king of the Boba Fetts by chopping off Jon Favreau's head with a black bladed lightsaber.
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May 16, 2018 03:14
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banned from Starbucks posted:Does TV not exist in the star wars universe? Or cameras? Or any kind of recorded history? The series is presented as a fairy tale, and all the characters seem to rely exclusively on oral storytelling to find anything out.
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May 17, 2018 23:08
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Wheat Loaf posted:Were people really super-excited about Boba Fett before and between ESB and ROTJ? Obviously he became the Wolverine of Star Wars in subsequent years, but were people complaining about his role / his death scene? I don't know what his presence in the pre-release marketing was like. Boba Fett started being merchandised 2 years before Empire came out, being advertised as as the "New Evil Villain in Star Wars Galaxy" and Vader's personal henchman. After he didn't really do anything in the movie, one of the fan theories about the character was that he would be revealed to be Luke's mom in diguise in Episode 6.
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May 18, 2018 16:12
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Apparently the intent with Finn was that he wasn't just abandoning the resistance, but rather going off to find Rey using the tracker Leia dropped. Unfortunately, they cut the scene that set this up, and his story for the rest of the movie had nothing to do with him trying to find Rey, so now he just comes off as a coward again.
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May 18, 2018 22:55
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Guaranteed a Lando movie would be centered around explaining the manuever he did at the battle of Tanaab.
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May 26, 2018 02:53
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Wheat Loaf posted:Maul didn't need to be kept around for the other movies but I think Dooku should have been in Episode I. Or just give his role to Mace Windu - Jackson's "bad cop Jedi" character seemed to only come about because he kept asking Lucas to give him more action, and even then it was pretty limp.
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May 28, 2018 23:19
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You could say that each of the villains represent a piece of what Vader would become, which is an interesting concept, but they don't really have much to do with his arc as a character so just sort of fall flat if that was the intention.
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May 29, 2018 18:25
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Zas posted:star wars has always been about design imho that is why people like the cool looking things and are correct tod o so This is true - the making of book for the first film mentions a bunch of times how Lucas basically just had a few scenes/images he wanted to put on screen and had to build a story around them. The only scenes that appear in every draft of the script are the Death Star battle, the cantina, and (up until the final draft) a character slamming their left fist down on a table, splitting their arm open and dramatically revealing that they're entirely mechanical other than their head and right arm.
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May 29, 2018 22:30
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Disney asked Abrams to come back months before TLJ was released - Colin Trevorrow was supposed to direct IX before that, but then The Book of Henry came out
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kidkissinger posted:Wait why did he have that arm tho Because he had a silver leg in the original trilogy, but they removed all the subtlety when they reused the idea.
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Oct 24, 2018 03:49
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The Episode 7 & 8 concept art books have some hints as to what would have been in Lucas' version. Some is the same, like Luke training an apprentice (named Kira instead of Rey) who finds him in solitude after a Jedi Killer wipes out his students, but a lot is different. There's a lot of art depicting Kira taking the Falcon into the ruins of the Emperor's tower on the Death Star, which is submerged in a lake on Endor. The Falcon itself seems to have been in mothballs on Felucia instead of Jakku as well. The Jedi Killer character has a lot of different concepts, including various aliens - one of which is Darth Talon from the EU (Lucas also once requested she be added to the eventually-cancelled Darth Maul video game). The Vader-fanboy idea seems to have appeared when they dumped Lucas' outlines. Since the character designs are so varied, it's unlikely he was Han & Leia's son - though his name might have been the same. A character named Kybo Ren appeared in the Droids cartoon, which lent a bunch of names to things in the prequels. Could be coincidence, but Lucas is fond of reusing names in general - Utapau from Episode 3 was the original name of both Tatooine and Naboo.
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GetBehindTheMule posted:That's very interesting! Does this existing concept art mean that Lucas hired artists and was further in development of Episode 7 than just an outline by the time he sold SW to Disney, or did J.J. and Disney start developing the film based on his outline before at some point starting over? Lucas seems to be of the opinion that they threw his outline straight in the trash, but maybe they explored his ideas for longer than he thinks? I think the film probably started out being based on Lucas' ideas and then gradually drifted away as Arndt and Abrams became more involved. Lucas apparently gave the artists his Episode 7 treatment in January, and based on that they made art of: - Two protagonists, Sam and Kira. Kira became Rey, and Sam would evolve into Finn (though he's visually coded as Han Solo Jr.) - The Jedi Killer, who is sometimes an alien and/or a woman, precluding them from being Han & Leia's son. the "Darth Talon" version of this character is the most commonly featured. - Luke in exile on a remote planet, and Kira's training with him. - The Millennium Falcon on Felucia, overgrown with plant life and often with the Jedi Killer standing nearby. Felucia itself is depicted as having an atmosphere filled with debris. - A "crashed Imperial space station" is mentioned as the origin of the Jakku concept - this is depicted as the submerged wreckage of the second Death Star, and the Emperor's tower is where the map to Luke is found. Since the Millennium Falcon has also been abandoned on Felucia, the planet may have been intended as the film's starship graveyard rather than Jakku. There's also an early storyboard sequence from March for the opening of the film that, while not necessarily from Lucas' treatment, does differ substantially from the final film. The opening crawl is included in the storyboard, and while it's scratched out, some of the last paragraph is still somewhat legible and reads "as the COALITION OF STAR SYSTEMS has begun to seize control of the Outer Rim, and challenge the Republic's right to rule...." The scene then mirrors the opening of A New Hope, but instead of a Star Destroyer chasing a rebel ship, it's a desiccated husk being towed by one. A salvage ship piloted by Skylar (aka Sam/Finn) is trying to plunder the Star Destroyer before it gets dumped in Jakku's atmosphere - Skylar, who is dressed identically to Han Solo, is accompanied by a Wookiee and an R2 unit. As the Star Destroyer begins to plummet, Skylar is forced into an escape pod - the Wookiee and droid don't make it. Skylar ejects in the escape pod on the way down, and "Thea" (Kira/Rey) begins scavenging from the Star Destroyer as soon as it crash lands.
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That's the same set of notes that had a mention of midichlorians added for the book, so it's likely there were other things nudged to be more in line with the prequels.
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The schematics were based on an early matte painting that had the dish on the equator:
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if the ending of the film is Rey, Force Luke, Force Anakin and Kylo teaming up to kill Super Palpatine -- for good, this time. So, who knows. Incidentally, the "come out of hyperspace just before hitting a planet to bypass its shield" trick from TFA is originally from the rough draft of ROTJ as well.
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Boba Fett tailgated a guy driving a broken car and then told the police what town he was going to. Then he fell in a hole and died.
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I hope they don't just do KOTOR the game. We already had a movie where a protagonist with a mysterious past becomes a Jedi while dealing with a plot involving a map to an ancient place that a legendary Jedi had visited in the past, and that was too derivative the first time around.
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banned from Starbucks posted:so shields work based on how fast something is crashing into you? The ones the Gungans use do.
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May 25, 2019 02:34
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Baron Fel was the bestest most killingest pilot in the Empire, and married a famous actress who was secretly Wedge Antilles' sister. After the Emperor died, he decided the Empire had become too corrupt, and he defected to the New Republic. Then he got recaptured by the Empire, and handed over to Grand Admiral Thrawn, the other most smartest and best Imperial in the galaxy. Thrawn told him that the Empire is actually the good guys now, and that the real enemy is all the bad hombres looking to hop the galactic border wall to take everyone's jobs. Then when the bad hombres showed up, and original recipe Kylo Ren turned the New Republic into a total shitshow, Fel and his handsome ace pilot son showed up and were like "Anyone want an Empire?". Fel's son married Han & Leia's daughter and then a hundred years later one of his descendants got really pissed off because a Sand Person took his throne.
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May 28, 2019 03:02
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Flavius Aetass posted:I'm still mad they made the Jedi into flawed bureaucrats though so w/e. If anything, the Jedi could have been more like that. Anakin's confessional scene with Yoda kind of feels like a watered down version of the one from THX-1138, but lacks a real sense that Anakin just isn't getting anything useful from Yoda's fortune cookie platitudes.
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May 28, 2019 19:00
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Like the rest of the movie, 3PO's red arm is a flashing neon reference to something from Original Trilogy that was just a subtle piece of worldbuilding and character history (3PO's silver leg, which was present but never mentioned in all of the original movies).
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May 31, 2019 20:01
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They wanted to kill Luke but weren't allowed to, so they decided to "kill the family dog" instead.
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wdarkk posted:I thought they did it because George Lucas's dog had just died. So just a real great creative process all around.
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Riptor posted:it wouldve been cool if ackbar was the one to do the hyperspace ramming speed thing Having Ackbar the suicide bomber in a Star War sure would have been something, alright.
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Everyone knows the Endor holocaust is a hoax. The Death Star debris was sucked into a nearby wormhole and spit out harmlessly in the oceans of Mon Calamari, where a three eyed mutant impostor claiming to be Palpatine's son (Palpatine's actual three-eyed mutant son was frozen imprisoned in Kessel at the time) used whale poaching as a cover to retrieve the glove of Darth Vader from the depths in a bid to be crowned the new Emperor. Come on sheeple, open your eyes.
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banned from Starbucks posted:I think he was proto Poe back when he was supposed to die in the tie fighter crash on Jakkooine. There were reports before the movie came out that he turned the movie down, but he said on a radio show a few years ago that they just never asked him, so Wedge probably wasn't in there at all. Poe was known as "John Doe" throughout most of pre-production though, so he could have been anyone.
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And of course, his character was only created because they needed somone to have a map to Luke after they scrapped the original idea of it being in the submerged ruins of the Death Star. It's Death Stars all the way down.
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It is, but so was the Death Star ruins.
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Darth TNT posted:Regarding names, I like Snoke (where there's Snoke there's fire) and Kylo Ren. I don't know why, but Kylo Ren sounds sufficiently foreign and somehow sounds fast. Kylo Ren's name may have been a leftover from Lucas' outline. A character named Kybo Ren appeared in the droids cartoon, which Lucas referenced a bunch in the prequels.
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General Dog posted:Maybe a Star Wars-y version of "The Long Goodbye" at the end.
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Hazo posted:I knew someone was going to say this. Vader lazily tossed it at Luke and then walked over to pick it up. I’m talking about hurling it horizontally and using the Force to control it like a boomerang and call it back from midair Yoda kind of did this in Episode 3, though instead of recalling it with the Force, he leapt up onto the guy's chest and ripped the lightsaber out manually. They deliberated about whether or not to include it in the movie specifically because it seemed video-gamey.
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Captain Splendid posted:It's pretty smart, when you think about it. Thanks to Rogue One they only had to model maybe one or two new ships. Using the Rogue One / Solo Star Destroyer models (with the large X on the bridge tower) also means that they're specifically the outdated ANH style Star Destroyers, which were totally replaced in the later movies. It's like if they made the next Fast & Furious movie about stealing a bunch of DVD players again. Robot Style fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Aug 27, 2019 |
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General Dog posted:But there’s no reason Luke would ever join Palpatine. Not that that really holds up in ROTJ, since he was mostly just biding his time until they all got blown up.
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Of all the things to steal from the EU, Rey being this dipshit would be one of the dumbest, but drat if I don't want Hux to bid someone dark greetings at a Mofference.
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Aug 30, 2019 23:44
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The whole "ghosts show up to save the protagonist's rear end from Palpatine" is stolen from an early draft of ROTJ, which is also where they got Han's "come out of lightspeed inside the planet's shield" maneuver from TFA, so that tracks as something JJ would do, at least.
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Part of Lucas' opening crawl for Episode 7 is in the TFA art book, and mentions a "Coalition of Star Systems" that's challenging the New Republic's right to rule the galaxy, which sounds like an evolution of the Separatists from the prequels. Padme was on the verge of siding with them in Episode 3, so having a conflict that actually does have "heroes on both sides" would be an interesting way to go.
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In one of the new books (which are canon until lucasfilm decides to contradict them), Leia is outed as Vader's daughter by a political rival while Ben is training with Luke. Presumably they had to publicize the whole redemption thing afterwards to save face, and by the time of the movies it would be common knowledge.
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I think they just stole the idea from this toy.
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teagone posted:Where does Leia get the blue lightsaber from? Allegedly she built it, and the ghost of Luke gives it to Rey later in the movie.
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