Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

that said i cant see merkel taking too kindly to the US ambassador openly declaring hes supporting the opposition

hackbunny posted:

Yes, hands down, no question. I dare say they're good on migrants. Problem is they poll at about 2%

Jose posted:

austerity has made things extremely poo poo for a lot of people all across europe and they resent their governments taking in refugees as a result. If everyone hadn't decided to go hardcore austerity for the last decade it probably wouldn't be an issue

Badger of Basra posted:

is kurz just really stupid or what

like I have a hard time imagining an actual nazi would use that word much less a crypto fascist who is presumably at least trying on the crypto part

Krankenstyle posted:

agreed (&that goes for all dumbfuck center-seeking social democrats everywhere) ... but not like this

Jose posted:

it'll be cool if its him against the nazis again. lol le pen wanted out of the EU until she saw what a disaster brexit is

Lawman 0 posted:

When do they start bringing put the eagles

oliwan posted:

Does everyone know Tempelhofer Feld? It's an out of use airport and its runways/field here in Berlin that is now open to the public and is my favourite place in Berlin. It was decided per refenderum a couple of years ago that it should not be developed by real estate developers, and now it's just this huge open space/park in the middle of the city where everyone can go and do whatever. Huge swaths of it are protected bird breeding grounds. And of course you can bike/skateboard on the runways.

Anyway, it now also has a huge refugee center on it, a complex with hundreds of living spaces/shelters. We went to the park to watch the blood moon (it's the biggest open space in the city with the least amount of light pollution) and everyone was watching the moon together, hundreds of berliners and hundreds of refugees chilling out together. This is my feel good story of today.

The Puppet Master posted:

is there no mall santa union in Denmark?

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/joshchin/status/1026407805409009664

WampaLord posted:

So you would prefer no one had the option to move at all?

Shouldn't the solution be some sort of nationalized (or EU-ized) support system for financial assistance with moving costs? Much like how a NHS is the solution to America's insane healthcare situation as opposed to saying "well healthcare is priced out of the majority of the people, therefore no one should have healthcare!"

Electronico6 posted:

I think there's a strong possibility that when the next eurocrisis hits France is going to break rank with nonsense German economics to save itself, and the rest will follow France to save themselves and the Euro. Meanwhile German, and probably Finland, will be left behind and maybe even partitioned again and it's eastern half sold back to the Russians, and the European Union will be saved.

Kurtofan posted:

Napoleon did nothing wrong

Maximo Roboto posted:

interesting thread about Denmark’s two far right parties

Funny how they’re led by the archetypal contemporary populist fascist figures- a photogenic blonde woman and a disheveled-looking wild man

get that OUT of my face posted:

the dutch are haughty dipshits but at least they didn't send muslim immigrants to an island reserved for animal experimentation. also, i don't remember where i read this article so i don't have a link, but they also put immigrants in Australia-style camps

Zedd posted:

Jokes aside and all. Can somebody translate these German and Danish results into normal terms?
Germany seems to have rejected the AFD and greens won big, but Denmark is unclear if the articles above are serious or not.

Krankenstyle posted:

also our new minister of foreign affairs is a pedophile

Southpaugh posted:

unironically the same - bring back westphalia and saxony and the lads

Andrast posted:

That's a paltry million refugees, not the hundreds of millions that will happen sooner or later

Lawman 0 posted:

Those farmers should be locked up

cargo cult posted:

is the modern iteration of the independence movement like a liberal tax evasion thing? i think i read somewhere that they rail against the rest of spain as welfare sponges lol

oliwan posted:

Reminder that the 17th century, i.e. when the VOC was at the height of its exploitative power, is called the Golden Century/ Age in Holland. This is also how it is taught in schools. The "VOC mentality" is a corner stone of Dutch culture.

Maximo Roboto posted:

V. Illych L. posted:

for the rest of scandiland i'd say that racial anxieties and resentments play a significant but much less pronounced role in our politics compared to the actual big empires, especially the anglo countries

denmark, bizarrely, has gone totally overboard and not being actively chauvinist is a sign that you're not serious about seeking power. it's hosed up

SplitSoul posted:

They were getting crushed in the polls until they started trying to out-racist the Danish People's Party. It's been a roaring success.

28% of the population wants Muslims ethnically cleansed from the country while 26.7% are unsure.

SplitSoul posted:

Reminder that Rasmus Paludan was literally a candidate for the party until they were forced to acknowledge his "blood flowing into the sewers" speech. Numerous people have been excluded for condoning or inciting violence, including an attempt to burn a 16-year-old alive. Plus, as I mentioned, local chairmen on record for allowing neo-nazis entry.

SplitSoul posted:

That's too generous.

V. Illych L. posted:

also the translation 'new right' is fine imo, the anglosphere doesn't operate with the formal bourgeois/socialist party divide and it'd probably just be more confusing than good

V. Illych L. posted:

i think it actually is irreconcilable with social democracy, the issue is that social democracy as an ideology was fatally wounded in the early eighties and has been bleeding out ever since - the embrace of ethnic chauvinism is a defensive response to the collapse of the grander project. no longer are the social democrats representing a broad working class, they've collapsed into trying to be the general party of the common man which leads to a loss of ideological cohesion and some frankly pathetic displays.

we free traded our way out of having a real mass base for our societal projects. loving stupid of us.

ekuNNN posted:

Interesting, we have the same thing here in the Netherlands. Our main fascist party used to be PVV (Party For Freedom), but that is mostly for the working class racist. In the last few years our most popular fascist party is the FvD (Forum for Democracy), which tries to position itself as the fascist party for students and intellectuals and businessmen, and who really embrace alt-right language and imagery, and directly use dog-whistles such as cultural marxism, as opposed to PVV who just yell that they want to ban the koran and deport all dutch-moroccans.

Dawncloack posted:

Ok, I'll bite? What videogame or Tom Clancy turd is that?

genericnick posted:

Italy has been screwed since they murked Moro.

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Weird way to spell "since Rome absorbed the Etruscan polities"

Grevling posted:

They didn't distinguish between socialist and social democrats the same way we do back then, it makes sense to call them socialist.

Electronico6 posted:

Thankfully some Europeans are very aware of the long historical presence of Muslims in Europe!

https://twitter.com/alexandreafonso/status/1361950213934616579?s=20

frankenfreak posted:

Imagine? Belgium exists!

Griefor posted:

Nativists in the Netherlands want their country to basically completely be culturally assimilated by the US, the only cultures they are afraid of are all the ones where the people are too brown.

Most of the "native" culture they are trying to protect is already imported from abroad. Except for all the racist poo poo like Zwarte Piet and the literal slaves depicted on the golden carriage the king rides around in, those are all true original Dutch culture.

The good news is that if the sea level keeps rising from global warming half the country will revert to sea.

Orange Devil posted:

The most insidious part of the discourse in the Netherlands is that middle class people believe en-block that even though there are issues in politics to discuss about, at the end of the day everyone living in the country has it good and no one has any *real* problems. Which is just so goddamn far from the truth, but we've really managed to build ourselves a nice little class apartheid system where you don't have to interact at all with the people living in precarity if you don't belong to that class unless you actively choose to. And anyone from the middle class and up having to deal with a serious problem (due to defunding of state institutions leading to more and more people slipping through the cracks and just being hosed over mercilessly, like say, youth mental health care being an utter disaster right now) is just mentally filed as an unfortunate (and shocking and totally unexpected) incident rather than the symptom of a giant structural problem which it absolutely is.

In related news I loving loathe my countrymen.


Oh and yes, it cannot be overstated how absolutely uncritical Dutch society in general is of the US and US culture. Also see Black Friday and Halloween somehow being loving things here now. I'm legit liable to start ranting about the destruction of Dutch culture and traditions if I get trick or treated. The gently caress out of here with that poo poo. I'm half expecting idiots to start doing Thanksgiving next.

Griefor posted:

Where is this? Everyone on SA says this but I've never noticed this from people around me here in the Netherlands.

oliwan posted:

I'm obviously talking about contemporary cultural output / art op

Honest Thief posted:

when i learned the frogs on display werent some tourist trap was a shock second only to when i found out jew was a verb in portuguese

SplitSoul posted:

Also Danish.

Orange Devil posted:

5 different fascist parties currently in parliament.

Get on our level Europe.

mortons stork posted:

double lmao then.

though, isnt it strategically unwise for them specifically to sink the government over it then? since you know it will have become toxic. or do they count on an absolute liberal/right wing/fash (i repeat myself) majority next go around to just push it down the country's throat with impunity?

ted hitler hunter posted:

The Swedish Prime Minister and leader of the Social Democrat Party, Stefan Löfven announced today that they will step down from both positions in the fall ahead of the 2022 election.

At least 14 668 people have died to Covid in Sweden so far.

Covid deaths per 100,000 population
Sweden: 142.61
Denmark: 44.08
Finland: 18.33
Norway: 15.16

i say swears online posted:

do y'all have employee fuckrooms? in the states we have to go into the industrial freezers

3D Megadoodoo posted:

They deliberately let COVID-19 run rampant in old people's homes so they'd die and stop being a financial burden. Dunno if they also deliberately tried to kill off foreign-language-speaking communities or if that was just incompetence. Everyone else who died was collateral damage.

Mr. Lobe posted:

lol it's like how in the US there's those freaks who go on about the classics are culturally superior but probably couldn't even identify the moonlit sonata if it was played. it's bad enough to be reactionary and to use the classics as a cultural cudgel, but to be illiterate in them too? what a world