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Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Your Boy Fancy posted:

The ground game is everything in American electoral politics now. Let's stretch that out for people who aren't neck deep in it.

You could call advertising the air game, as it were. TV ads, radio ads. But who watches TV anymore? The elderly. That's why every ad for the national evening news is for medication for the elderly. It's reaching the point that daytime gameshow reruns had hit back when. And there's the social media game, but let's be real about that - are we changing hearts and minds on Facebook or Twitter? It's good if you have interest and you're looking to deepen your entrenchment in a specific direction, but it's certainly not a marketplace of ideas. It's a localized steroid for whatever is already in your mind.

The ground game? Actually showing up at people's doors, or their phones via calls or text? That's everything now. There is no substitute for seeing another human being and exchanging ideas the way we historically have. Finding out what people actually give a gently caress about - and make no mistake, the average American really DOES care about all the things we holler about, maybe more or less than you do, but certainly multiple things at a time. If you don't go out and make the case for your ideal, for your candidate, or for your power base, you're going to loving lose, barring overwhelming forces of nature. Ted Cruz did a bare minimum of ground work, but also had the fact that Republicanism in Texas is on par with high school football, but also the fact that the levers of power are geared for a Straight Ticket button, the most vile button in electoral politics. Without that button, I'm willing to throw out there that Beto takes Texas.

Kobach didn't have a ground game, didn't fundraise, didn't do anything except measure the god damned drapes. He got the result that hubris brings. gently caress him. gently caress anyone who thinks they don't have to convince Americans to vote for you, and that goes for President to Governor to County Board of Supervisors to Yorba Linda Water District to supporter group treasurer. Show up and be present in people's lives, and they will show up for you. And then, and only then, will you change the world.

Hey Fancy,

I did door knocking for Beto, first time for any candidate, this year, and the huge majority of the people with me this year were all first timers as well.

Maybe there will be a separate thread for it a year from now as we get into the 2020 stretch, or maybe there already is (?), but I would appreciate any advice or guidance on best ways to approach talking to people about their choice, I didn't really do much in the way of engaging the few supposed undecideds we encountered nor did my partner. I realize even if you don't the simple act of getting the data and making a vote plan with the supporters you find is valuable, but assuming I get involved with this earlier for 2020 it will be more important when knocking earlier in the cycle or doing registration drives.

I guess what I'm interested in is samples of the type of conversations, both good ones and unproductive ones, that you have had in doing the ground work either on foot or on the phone.

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Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006


How many displaced Puerto Ricans wound up in Florida? Did they vote in any kind of numbers this time?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Lightning Knight posted:

The State/Local thread here in D&D would be a great place to discuss how to get involved for the first time in things like that.

My personal feeling is that a thread devoted to How You Can Get Involved discussing specific methods and how they work would be good, a lot of people will want to get involved specifically for the Presidential election and they might not ever see it if it's in a State/Local thread.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Taerkar posted:

I suspect that after that masterstroke of a press conference he had on the 7th they're doing everything they can to keep him out of public view.

Is that the one where he went out of his way to call black female reporters losers who don't know what they're doing/talking about?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Taerkar posted:

And where he did the name and shame of the Republican candidates who didn't kiss his rings and lost.

Yeah. Hard to believe but I think he is actually getting worse, more disinhibited. He used to confine his nastier crazier poo poo mainly to rallies but now it's spilling over into real life.

I wonder what tomorrow will bring.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Rinkles posted:

Seems like an exceptional amount of close races that ultimately tip dem this year, or is it not out of the ordinary?

I think when you're riding a wave sure you'll tip a bunch of districts by a tiny bit that you'd have lost by a few to a handful of points before.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Random Stranger posted:

I just want to point out that Donald Trump just awarded the presidential medal of freedom to Babe Ruth, Elvis, some NFL players, and the wife of one of his biggest campaign donors. Just thought everyone would like to get their daily dose of insanity in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/16/us/politics/presidential-medal-freedom-adelson.html

Is this like when you’re a teenager buying a porno mag at the drugstore and you throw in some chewing gum, Doritos and today’s newspaper because you think it makes it look better?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

The problem is in Mississippi I'm not sure even with maximal Dem turnout whether there are enough votes to overcome even "meh" GOP turnout.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Wouldn't closing southern border have huge economic impact? Isn't there tons of cargo coming back and forth in trucks every day?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

So does Trump even have advisers trying to talk him down from trade wars or has everyone given up, it’s Nero fiddling, horses in the Senate etc all the way down?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Russia trolling Trump:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-didn-t-cancel-putin-because-mueller-white-house-insists-n942146

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

So... do I understand it that Trump used the occasion of GHWB's death to basically peace out of a bunch of boring meetings with foreign leaders that he wasn't into and looking for any kind of excuse to leave?

Is that a proper reading of what happened?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

evilweasel posted:

If I were Michigan Republicans, I would be very wary of passing new laws that would incentivize democrats to put a broadly popular repeal vote on the ballot in 2020 that would also remind people how much they hate republicans.

I feel like the GOP nationally realizes the Trump Reckoning is upon them, and they don't give a poo poo anymore. They are at the "stripping copper wiring out of the walls on their way out" stage of things.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

I'm fundamentally not understanding the deal with the Huawei CFO. Aren't sanctions something that usually involves monetary penalties instead of actually arresting and trying to extradite people?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Sanguinia posted:

The only people who have been saying Trump Is Innocent will not turn on him unless very specific forces literally tell them to or the climate makes it necessary for them to do so in order to survive. We're not at either of those yet. They will continue to provide full-throated declarations of his complete innocence as a universally accepted axiom long as there is even the most pathetic and shriveled fig leaf for them to hide behind.

The Mattering will not be evident from the corners you're talking about until long after it is crystal clear from others.

Yeah a good chunk of GOP base would never concede that Trump is a crook regardless of what comes out of Mueller or SDNY unless Fox News starts to at least hem and haw about it.

Even if/when Fox News turns to "Trump is a crook and that's why you should support Pence/other GOP" at least a third of the base will probably cling to the idea that he did and can do no wrong.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006


He's already violated this by sticking Jarvanka in the White House as "advisors". This would only be a greater degree of the same offense.

Gingrich would be the worst pick, even worse I think than Jared. Not only is Gingrich smarter than Trump, he's more ambitious and just as much of a fame whore if not even more so than Trump. He wouldn't last a single Scaramucci before Trump got pissed at Newt stealing his headlines.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Old Kentucky Shark posted:

There's a specific carve-out in the law for a President's personal White House staff*. So the President could appoint a relative to be an aide, his chief of staff, or the Drug Czar, but not to be the Secretary of State.

It's how Clinton appointed Hilary to be the head of his National Healthcare Reform task force.

*H.R. 11003 (95th): "A bill to clarify the authority for employment of personnel in the White House Office and the Executive Residence at the White House, to clarify the authority for employment of personnel by the President to meet unanticipated needs, and for other purposes."

So was this bill created specifically in reaction to RFK being picked as Attorney General?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

So let's say for the sake of argument that lots of money that was donated to Trump's Inauguration Committee (or whatever the organization was called) was spent for or diverted to other things totally unrelated to the Inauguration. Paying off Trump University legal settlement. Funneled into Trump family investment accounts. Diverted to Trump cronies or their businesses (unrelated to Inauguration), etc. etc.

It's my understanding that the Inauguration committee is not part of any campaign, so FEC rules/laws do not apply.

But what rules or laws DO apply?

If he received income from the money that was not reported as such, it's tax evasion, right?

If the Inaug committee was a nonprofit and the proceeds represent profits for various beneficiaries, then there are laws about that, right?

What about straight up fraud? If people donated money under the pretext it was for Inaug but it went to other things, is that not just fraud? What if the people who donated don't care that it was misused (i.e. they knew on either an explicit or implicit level that it probably wasn't going to Inaug activities but they were essentially buying influence and favor with the new President)? Is it still fraud if the donors are not pressing charges or don't consider themselves defrauded?

If some or a lot of money came from other countries, KSA, Russia etc., what laws govern that?

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...f2ab_story.html

JFC. It’s like these right wing Op Ed ers just churn this stuff out from some GOP Mad Lib template without any sense of context or current objective reality.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Cythereal posted:

And the inevitable - and already happening - state government digging in its heels to make re-enfranchisement as slow, difficult, and incomplete as humanly possible.

I'm going to guess that DeSantis is going to try to make it drag past 2020 elections if at all possible.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

"I didn't need to do this" clip seems like it would be the centerpiece of any number of campaign ads for 2020.

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Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

How do you guys think a certain Donald Trump, POTUS, managed to transfer from Fordham U. into U. Penn/Wharton, and why do you think they had Michael Cohen make a big deal to threaten Fordham not to reveal his transcripts?

I'd be surprised if Trumpy was even close to a B student.

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