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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Condiv posted:Best veep for bernie is Nina turner imo. She’s awesome, she’d keep things going if bernie passed on, and she is on our side And will make donut twitter's heads explode so bad.
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Jan 17, 2019 16:15
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The DNC's big plan was probably Joe Kennedy. They're going to scrambling all the way up to the general.
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Jan 18, 2019 04:59
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I'm quite sure nobody in power actually has a plan for Trump being impeached. The last big plan the Republican establishment had was literally Jeb.
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Jan 18, 2019 17:21
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Grouchio posted:Probably most. And that wasn't enough. The bare minimum won't cut it, is the lesson that establishment Democrats are desperate not to learn.
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Jan 21, 2019 17:39
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Trump's voters will vote for Trump again or stay home. Those are the only two options.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:30
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I'm still thinking Nina Turner because everyone would love watching donut twitter completely melt down.fool_of_sound posted:Yeah a Bernie VP needs at least three of young, woman, minority, and already popular with hillary-types. The #stillwithher crowd are absolutely going to consider Bernie's VP pick a traitor and probably get amazingly racist about it.
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Jan 22, 2019 06:09
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VitalSigns posted:I think there's this odd psychology where it's assumed that the reason something like say single-payer hasn't happened yet, must be because it's complicated and not the actual reason (both parties work for the same oligarchs who don't want it to happen). You can't just build libraries.
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Jan 23, 2019 06:50
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The thing is about establishment Democrat picks is that the Democrat establishment is so completely incompetent, corrupt and delusional that the institutional advantages may be outweighed by their disadvantages. I think we saw this on the other side with Jeb!, they don't know how to win competitive races without openly cheating anymore.
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Jan 24, 2019 06:34
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Didn't Nancy Pelosi literally say 'all lives matter'? Bernie's not the best on that but the bar is so goddamn low it might not even matter, not like anybody else has any credibility.
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Jan 25, 2019 05:57
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Bloomberg probably think he can make a coalition out of #NeverBernie and #NeverTrump voters. Turns out those people don't matter.
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Jan 26, 2019 03:57
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The generational gap on the left is more the result of decades of Cold War propaganda and Reagan breaking the spine of the Democrats resulting in the only people who haven't internalised it being the ones who were either too young to be exposed to the brainwashing or old enough that they remember a time before it, and that the entire generation just realised that patiently waiting for your turn to enter power isn't going to happen because boomers will never release their death grip.
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Jan 26, 2019 05:14
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The whole 'racist, sexist Berniebros' thing seems like massive projection, not just because of all the wealthy white male pundits finding new ways to dismiss women and Bernie supporters of colour, but, well, donut twitter.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:38
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Mind explaining what donut Twitter is? Thousands of years ago, or at least one, Our Revolution led by Nina Turner were shut out of the DNC headquarters, and offered donuts and water. Twitter liberals considered this an absolutely sick burn on those uppity leftists and to this day bear a donut emoji in their names to celebrate a black woman being sidelined from the party for being a Bernie supporter.
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Jan 27, 2019 04:49
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:
I'm really surprised you hadn't heard about it. A lot of liberals 'support' women of colour right up until the very moment a woman of colour doesn't happily follow the neoliberal line, and then holy poo poo. AOC's been less affected by this mostly by having mad twitter game and not taking any of their bullshit, but it's going to get fun when she endorses Bernie. The neoliberal strain of white grievance has rebuilt itself around appropriating the struggles of minority groups for its own, and making sure to silence minorities that don't go along with it or want actual action.
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Jan 27, 2019 05:23
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Lock them in a room, only one leaves alive
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Jan 27, 2019 07:33
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Bernie's got nothing to gain with a centrist VP. There's no way he's going to appease the establishment without them demanding total capitulation and/or trying to sideline him at the first opportunity. Nina Turner is probably the best idea for shoring up representation, and that she has a grudge against the DNC is a positive. And I think I've banged on enough about donut twitter, but we all know that's going to be fun to watch.
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Jan 27, 2019 10:09
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/lenadunham/status/823554487189196800 If this isn't a kiss of death I dunno what is
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Jan 27, 2019 11:01
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The thing is about machine politics is that the machines are demonstrably failing, and if anything are counterproductive. Hillary should have had an unstoppable juggernaut, instead her campaign was crippled by the arrogance and incompetence of both herself and seemingly everyone employed in it. Attempts to smear and silence AOC have backfired every time. The mainstream media that the Dems expect to follow their party line has never been less trusted and had less credibility. Hell, look at Jeb!'s cartoonish ROI on his campaign. All that money and institutional support seems to just end up poured down black holes because their own ideology cripples their ability to run campaigns.
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Jan 27, 2019 17:41
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freeasinbeer posted:Biden is an even worse candidate. And if people are saying no to Bernie but yes to that shitheel that’s real dumb. Biden polls as the most popular overall candidate, and it's probably correct that this is because no one knows anything about him besides maybe the Onion parodies. Age is a concern but ultimately on the cosmetic side, compared to the much more serious dealbreakers for the left.
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Jan 27, 2019 19:08
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Hot drat, I knew for a while there were a shitload of white people who assume they can speak for black people and in the process frequently out themselves as being incredibly racist, but this is really bringing them out of the woodwork. That's what happens when you've been letting the conservatives define the discourse for so long, maybe.
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Jan 28, 2019 04:13
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Brony Car posted:Agreed. And everyone is pretending to be engaging in good faith efforts to engage the other faction, but in reality they are just shouting at each other and scoffing at the idea of a middle ground. You could say... both sides are bad, the truth is in the middle?
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Jan 28, 2019 04:14
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Pylons posted:Bernie's high name recognition is actually his biggest problem. At this point, you're either onboard with him or you hate him. Maybe the people onboard already are enough to win the primary on their own, but unless he makes serious attempts to win over the people who hate him, his numbers aren't going to move much. Bernie's pretty well positioned to dunk on Trump, that could do it.
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Jan 28, 2019 05:17
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Gresh posted:I wouldn't be so sure about that. As much as I'd like to see Bernie run away with it this time resoundingly, remember its unlikely the last centrist/establishment democrat candidate standing against him this time will be nearly as problematic as Clinton was. Clinton was uniquely awful as both a candidate and campaigner. Bernie is gonna be up against an establishment darling that sounds like a human this time without as much baggage and is gonna have the backing of DNC, all of the MSM, and the russiagaters peddling bullshit that he's a Kremlin op or useful idiot for them. I wouldn't be sure how many of those are even advantages at this point, but it remains to be seen.
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Jan 28, 2019 07:40
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Majorian posted:For the last few decades, Centrist Democrats have labored under the delusion that women candidates need to show that they're TOUGH ON CRIME, RAAAAAAARGH!!! And the only way to do that, of course, is to be draconian against the most vulnerable demographics in the country. The Republicans have been incredibly good at defining the discourse in a way that makes it their home turf and Democrats desperately need to appease them to make up for the shame of not being Republicans. Meanwhile, https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status/1089909214213038081
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Jan 29, 2019 07:07
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Ages back people were pretty sure that Harris is Clinton's anointed successor/surrogate for 2020, and she has a lot of the same staff, as their performance is clearly demonstrating.
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Jan 30, 2019 05:34
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Gripweed posted:I love anti-Bernie people responding to damning videos of Kamala by bringing up old videos of Bernie being really good They're literally at the point of 'look at that bitch drinking water, like she's better than you'.
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Jan 31, 2019 01:55
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I've never heard the word 'jaywalking' used in Australia.
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Jan 31, 2019 06:58
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CubanMissile posted:Huh. They're not breaking any rules though. Since when did that matter? Online centrists are literally everything they accuse their opponents of being.
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Feb 1, 2019 11:07
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:im trying to imagine the kind of person who watches bernie speak and immediately and naturally comes to the conclusion "this man is a narcissist" Brings to mind that meme from a couple years back about how contempt for a person will colour literally all of their actions with projected hostility. "Look at her, drinking that water, like she's better than you. That bitch." Donut twitter's whole thing is that they hate the left so much they'll forget they're supposed to make a show out of respecting women and minorities and gleefully attack minority women for being leftists and treat them as ungrateful brats.
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Feb 5, 2019 05:09
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Yes, this. The generation raised by Boomers is not producing top notch progressive candidates? Shocking. Those probably are related. A lot of gen Xers in particular had issues like 'feminism' neatly cleaved from 'politics' and having strong beliefs about the latter is considered gauche at best. They've been taught that representation is the only thing that really matters, and bringing up poverty, healthcare and voting rights is like saying it's actually about ethics in games journalism.
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Feb 5, 2019 10:39
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Dehumanise yourself and face to twitter
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Feb 5, 2019 13:31
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Charter schools seem like a great scam that's been sold on the rich how you can improve education AND make money! (by reinforcing segregation and destroying the educational system)
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Feb 6, 2019 04:51
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The Root is basically black Gawker, iirc.
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Feb 6, 2019 16:02
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Most older liberals don't understand what fascism is aside from something hippies yell about.
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Feb 9, 2019 12:25
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karthun posted:Sanders has just as much of a bad history with staff as Klobuchar. Gonna need to be backing this up.
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Feb 10, 2019 05:41
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Thing is people aren't seeing a choice between voting R and voting D, they're seeing a choice betwen voting R/D or staying home.
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Feb 12, 2019 05:07
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mcmagic posted:Who the gently caress is staying home when they can vote against Trump? The people who assume everyone else is obviously going to?
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Feb 12, 2019 05:30
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Cease to Hope posted:one of the big disadvantages of Sanders (or Warren or Biden) potentially dying in office is that the incumbency advantage seems to be much weaker when a VP takes over, whereas presidents don't usually lose reelection campaigns That's what AOC is for.
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Feb 12, 2019 07:50
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Basically from the perspective of anyone actually on the left, pretty much every Democrat between Bernie Sanders and AOC has been trained wrong, on purpose, as a joke, and for all intents and purposes is completely useless electorally and is controlled opposition for the Republicans.
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Feb 12, 2019 13:51
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It's pretty clear at this point that the popularity of 'moderation' is massively, critically overestimated, and that it's becoming clear to more people that it basically means total inaction or capitulation to the right. What are these 'valid arguments' against Bernie's policies?
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Feb 13, 2019 13:20
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