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 The Fiesta is Live! Have fun!  Welcome to the Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2019 thread! In its seventh year running, this thread will be the SA headquarters for the Four Job Fiesta, equal parts to keep us from taking over the FF Megathread as well as a single point of action for trading tricks and trips, cursing Gilgabot's lack of mercy, or whatever Fiesta-related discussion you may want. Much like the years before, we hope to bring lots of victories, lots of donations, and lots of berserkers from the Berserker Tree! Quick Links: Goon Discord, Official Website, Official Blog, Official Subreddit (yes, yes, I know, but it's official)  So Kyrosiris, what IS the Four Job Fiesta? Every year, RevenantKioku and his trusty sidekick Gilgabot (or maybe it's the other way around?) organize the Fiesta as a charity drive for Child's Play and as a gathering for all FFV fans to celebrate the game. Mechanically, the Fiesta challenges you to play through Final Fantasy V using just one job from each Crystal. Hard Mode ups the ante, allowing Gilgabot to pull from past Crystals - you can, for example, get another White Mage from the Fire Crystal, or a Berserker from the Earth Crystal! In 2012, the Berserker Risk option was added as a way to pump up the difficulty even more - for every $10 raised prior to the Fiesta's start, every Berserker Risk participant was assigned a mandatory Berserker! Enough was raised to stick every participant at Risk with at least one Berserker, and SA member Trasson ended up with what was considered the nastiest team of the Fiesta - a Knight and THREE Berserkers! 2013 renamed Hard Mode to "Random Mode" which is honestly more accurate, and added the new Team 750/No-750 and Natural modes, adding extra fun and challenge. 2015 upped the stakes and added the much-beloved Chaos Mode, which was what we all wanted from Random all along - any job is possible from any crystal, and duplicates are possible, leading to a handful of Chaos Riskers ending up with  FOUR. FREAKING. BERSERKERS. (RIP Everhate, The Chosen One) 2016 graced us with Pure Chaos, which is Chaos without repeats and with Mime and Freelancer in the character pool. 2018 gave us the interesting and GBA-only Forbidden mode - at the cost of permanently losing one of your other three jobs, you can earn the right to use one of the GBA-only jobs - Oracle, Gladiator, or Cannoneer!While the challenge is not one regularly "recommended" for those new to Final Fantasy V, there have been several goons who challenged the Fiesta as their first playthrough of the game and triumphed! That said, the challenge will definitely require a bit more aptitude and awareness of the game's mechanics and neat combos than a game where you plow through everything with !X-Fight, !X-Magic, and other powerful combos (that is, unless Gilgabot is merciful and gives you those combos). It goes a long way to help snap the decision paralysis that plagues a lot of first-time players of FFV, though. Well, I've never played FFV before. Should I try anyways? Absolutely! Like I said, lots of goons have earned their first victory in FFV through the Fiesta - either combinations of the restricted job access giving them real focus to finish the game, or getting advice from the litany of Fiesta veterans that haunt this thread and Discord, or for whatever reason. Plus, FFV is fun, and you're playing for charity (via either your donations or runs that you finish that trigger other people's pledges)! How's this all work, then? What're the rules? An example team would be mine from 2012 - I got Thief, Summoner, Ninja, and Samurai. From the Wind Crystal on, I had to have a full party of Thieves. Once I finished the Water Crystal, I got to choose a configuration of at least 1 Thief and at least 1 Summoner, and then the other two could be either Thieves or Summoners, with no limit aside from having at least one of each. The Fire crystal was the same - I had to field at least one Ninja, Summoner, and Thief at all times, and my fourth character could be what was best suited of my three job options. After the Earth Crystal, that was it - everyone was locked in. You can switch jobs around as is necessary, but you've gotta adhere to those guidelines. If you want your Ninja to learn some Summon Magic, that Summoner has to switch to being a Ninja too. Note that for Natural and Chaos runs, you use Freelancers until you have obtained your assigned jobs. A Ranger/Samurai/Dragoon/Chemist Chaos run would use Freelancers until you get the Black Chocobo, and a White Mage/Time Mage/Bard/Chemist Natural run has Faris as a Freelancer until the same. So who the hell is Gilgabot? Gilgabot is the Twitter bot that does the backend paperwork of the Fiesta. You tweet keywords to him (@FF5ForFutures) at certain thresholds in your playthrough and he will do whatever those correspond to. For example, you can tweet "@FF5ForFutures #Water" to note that you've reached the Water Crystal. Gilgabot will then reply (maybe - he hit the daily tweet limit several times last year) with your Job assignment for that crystal. You can see a full list of his commands here. (link this to letsplaying's commands page when the site's back up) Twitter? Ewww, I don't do that social media bullshit. Tough. Don't blame Gilgabot, blame yourself or God. If you wanna Fiesta (at least officially - no one's stopping you from doing your own using random.org or similar), you gotta tweet. Worst case scenario, you make a throw-away account you use just for the Fiesta and then ignore it. Many goons do this every year. NOTE THAT IF YOU HAVE A PROTECTED ACCOUNT, YOU WILL HAVE EXTREME DIFFICULTY FIESTA-ING OFFICIALLY. Consider making a throwaway account. Help! Gilgabot gave me a shittacular job combo and $BOSS is kicking my rear end! Relax. Trasson got through the entire game and even the optional superboss Shinryu in 2012 with a Knight and three Berserkers. You can beat the focus of your ire too, with some strategy and tenacity. That said, we're not going to leave you in the lurch - lots of FFV pros participate in the Fiesta, and in 2012 we came up with a veritable compendium of knowledge, tactics, and advice (which got loving additions in 2013 and 2014, too!). You can find it here, but be aware it contains story and boss spoilers, as well as a significant amount of mechanical information for the game. Other resources include Alcharagia's Primer to FFV's Jobs, Sulla's Solo Single Class Challenges, Mega64's Resource Page, the FFV Algorithm Guide (for SNES and GBA), The Spirit of FFV (has built-in "translation" of names/spells between versions)! We'll all be prattling away on Discord! Science is scary and I can't use !Mix, the most powerful ability in FFV! Help me!!!! Relax. Learn the true power of  here. Don't glitch Exdeath! (especially since your victory won't count  )Alright, I'm in! What do I do? Get on Twitter and send Gilgabot (@FF5ForFutures) a pre-registration tweet. This will look something like "@FF5ForFutures #regpurechaos #BERSERKERRISK". Then, just wait for the Fiesta to start! What's New for 2019? Quite a few things! Firstly, #regforbidden is being split into #regadvance, which lets you use the GBA jobs, and #forbidden, a modifier similar to #natural (don't play natural) that makes you give up a random job when you enter the Void. RK also did a new round of polling, and will be rebalancing #regpopular in accordance to that new polling. Lastly, there is a new gimmick this year - we just need to wait and see! Trivia and Infographic Nonsense! Every year, RevenantKioku puts out an infographic for the year's Fiesta, covering a lot of trivia and data, distribution of classes, stuff like that (as well as how fair and balanced Gilgabot was, which he always is). They're pretty neat, and are timg'd below - click the year (or expand the image, but they're really big) for big. 2011 Infographic:  2012 Infographic:  2013 Infographic:  (Thread) 2014 Infographic:  (Thread) 2015 Infographic:  (Thread) 2016 Infographic:  (Thread) 2017 Infographic:  (Thread) 2018 Infographic:  
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High Quality Goon-Made Fiesta Fanart! 2014 Fanart  (by Bloodwulfe)  (also by Bloodwulfe)  (by Asiina)  (again, by Bloodwulfe)  (by Shoehead)  (yup, still Bloodwulfe)  (Bloodwulfe: still the best)  (THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE MEAN NOTHING TO A_Raving_Loon) Can of Worms is rad as hell and has made multiple FFV Advance patches, including the source of the above gif. Fiesta State Mod(no mechanical changes) FFVA Balance Mod (actual mechanical changes) (changelog) 2015 Fanart Mega64 takes on the trials and tribulations of the Omnizerker.  (What's Flarnith's art doing here?!)  (neongrey needs to be sure you heard him correctly.) 2016 Fanart  (Asterism has to face some tough choices.)  (Koobes decided to correct Mid a bit.)  (Let's just call this a work by Edward_Tohr and move on with life) 2017 Fanart  (Mikl is having some problems with the weather.)  (Ablative assures me that, just like Ronka, it can only go up uP UP!!)  (Orange Fluffy Sheep demonstrates the value of Butzcoin. BUY IN NOW)  Ablative reminds us of that which we must sacrifice, because the numbers are infallible.)  (Bad Seafood has opinions on robots.) 2018 Fanart  (Aerdan lets us know what's up.)  (Orange Fluffy Sheep has important information that might SAVE YOUR LIFE.)  (Mega64 reminds us that the FBI is full of poo poo.)  (Archenetron is ready for suffering in The Run.)  (Obang Metho has relevant memes.) 2019 Fanart     (Admiral Joeslop pays homage to the King of All Superbosses)  (I fully admit I have no idea what FeyerbrandX was riffing here, but it's rad)  (Azza Bamboo pays off an interdimensional threat) Kyrosiris fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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HERE THERE BE  ESAerdan posted:I will donate 10¢ per run for every Bartz named Bitch, poo poo, Jeez, or other similar moniker, posted with screenshots of appropriate lines, up to $20. Feel free to poke me on Discord if you're not sure about a given moniker, I guess. Poque posted:
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Kyrosiris posted:You know what's stupid? The Brave Blade. You know what loving rules? Ritznit posted:Alright, time for me to bust out a agradine posted:Haven't seen any name based toxxes, so I guess I'll be the first. Bad Seafood posted:
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Funktastic posted:So I guess it's time for my donation pledge! Bufuman posted:
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Arist posted:already???? Hilariously this is the latest I've ever posted a year's thread. 
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May 20, 2019 19:56
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Super No Vacancy posted:where do u get the game i've never played this one Buy a GBA cartridge, buy the PSX anthology that has it, buy the port on steam or your smartphone, or  .
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May 20, 2019 21:38
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Poque posted:SNES is superior.  Project Demi does a lot to get it close, but even then, no.
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May 23, 2019 13:36
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Poque posted:I'm too used to the larger field of view from SNES Can you please explain to me like I'm a dumbass what this actually means because I have no idea what this actually means
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AlphaKretin posted:The SNES screen is a square*, the GBA screen is a rectangle. They fit the game on the GBA screen by chopping off the top and bottom. I can't imagine a more pointless thing to be bothered by but  E: though then again I'm the person who doesn't get the screaming and rending of flesh about the Matrix versions """bad graphics""" so I shouldn't be surprised the impact of this is also lost on me.
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KataraniSword posted:Not as bad of a slog as Chemist vs Garula, even with the addition of the Healing Staff. It's safe as hell, but you do basically no damage since Turtle Shells don't exist until immediately after that. It's basically the last big gate before the game falls to its knees and weeps openly at you. Except you can chain-Charm Garula, and it's safe, unlike Thief or Bard vs Garula.
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You know what's stupid? The Brave Blade. You know what loving rules? TWO RAGNAROKS So I'm ing a $5 donation (up to $50) for the first ten people who finish their fiesta with two fuckin' Ragnaroks. Get the first from Shinryu, get the second from stealing it from Neo-Exdeath, and then take a picture during the NED fight of either both equipped or both in your item list to count.HARBINGERS OF THE DOUBLE APOCALYPSE: *MagusDraco *Procrastine *1234567890num *mp5 *Fenix Alheron *Tergaso *Fenrir *Son of a Vondruke! *AlphaKretin *Ayudo Kyrosiris fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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May 28, 2019 17:39
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Shyfted One posted:I recently played through Garula with all 20 classes in the past 2 weeks and only the Bard run really sucked. now try adamantoise with bards
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May 28, 2019 21:19
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Ritznit posted:What does rodbreaking mean? When you have a rod equipped, go into your item menu in combat, then press up. You'll see the weapons you have equipped. Hit A twice on the rod, and you'll break it, casting an -aga spell of the corresponding element on the enemy field. This also works for Poison Rods (casts Bio), Staves of Light, (casts Holy), Masamune (doesn't break, casts Haste) and the Wonder Wand (doesn't break, casts Reset).
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May 28, 2019 21:28
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The grass is the indicator that the person streams their runs.
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May 30, 2019 05:34
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W.T. Fits posted:!Mix does not count as magic and will trigger Omniscient's Reset counter. That said, if you're playing on the SNES, GBA or Playstation version, you could just use !Mix to inflict Berserk on Omniscient to prevent him from being able to use his counter script. Just make sure you set yourself up with some defenses before doing that, since he hits like a freight train once he's Berserked. Or just... not do Fork Tower? Chemist/Knight/Ninja/Bard has no need for anything past the Pyramid.
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May 30, 2019 12:58
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Poque posted:I don't believe you can use Holy in that fight. Correct, but Mystic Knight could literally not give less fucks about Omniscient.
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May 30, 2019 13:31
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Mega64 posted:Red Mage is a White Mage that trades in Shell for rods. And an offensively garbage magic score. They have less loving magic power than Bards.
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May 30, 2019 14:03
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Samuel Clemens posted:already powerful enough I don't understand.
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May 30, 2019 19:59
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derra posted:Hmm. I rarely get Monk, but a Barehand Swords Dance crit has to do 9999 right? quote:[8:32 AM] Kyrosiris: .mcalc 30 50 fists 63 * 2 * 2 = 252, 7 * 2 = 14, 252 * 14 = 3,528 So no, not even remotely, assuming relatively high levels for W2Death. To crit for 9999 you'd need uh... level 52. quote:[8:38 AM] Kyrosiris: .mcalc 52 50 fists 107 * 2 * 2 = 428, 12 * 2 = 24, 428 * 24 = 10,272 (level 51 is 105@11 M, for 9,240 damage)
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Charlett posted:I did three runs last time, probably going to try a Zerker Risk this time, because I had too much good luck with jobs last year and didn't get a single 'zerker. For shame, Charlett. You get anywhere from one to eight (depending on if you get Ninja) Death Sickles from Crescent Island, and they carry you for 90% of the game.
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derra posted:Thanks for the math, but I was actually thinking of Omega. 52 seems reasonable for Omega and that party. Ah, fair enough. Then yeah, you'd basically be praying to god for 8% crits on a Worth noting that your Sword Dances would actually still punch through Omega even if non-crit, just for uh... let's call it chip damage. (107 * 2 = 214 - 190 = 24 * 24 = 576) Kyrosiris fucked around with this message at 15:25 on May 31, 2019 |
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derra posted:Oh. That's bad. That's very bad. If you want to ensure that a non-crit never does damage (to dodge reactions), you'd need to ensure your attack power is under 95 even after random variance, which is (0...(Level/4)). That makes the magic breakpoint level 41 (41 / 4 = 10; 85 fist power at level 41 + 10 = 95 * 2 = 190, which is Omega's defense score). You're then looking at crits equal to 85 * 2 * 2 = 380; 10 * 2 = 20, 340 * 20 = 6800 damage (skewing as high as 95 * 2 * 2, 7600 damage).
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Shyfted One posted:And not updated for 2019 yet My #regadvance (with risk, naturally) went through without a hitch.
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MagusDraco posted:Either the result of those twitter polls (it's a subset of regpopular) so Blue Mage, White Mage, Time Mage, and Summoner or it has something to do with The Run. RK hasn't specified beyond "it's a subset of popular which is why it shows up as a Popular run when you registered" Man that would be an astounding way to just rip the game in half like Doomguy.
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May 31, 2019 18:23
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Two, one of which got voided to make room for a Cannoneer. 
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Feldegast42 posted:The difference between #Chaos and #PureChaos is that #PureChaos can have the same job come up multiple times, right Pure Chaos: no dupes, yes freelancer/mime Chaos: yes dupes, no freelancer/mime
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Sneaky Wombat posted:Which is considered the cool kids hot pick!? Winner Risk, duh. You get a cool name color in discord and everything.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep is LPing a pre-Fiesta Fiesta run! Go read it, it's interesting!
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MagusDraco posted:It's more like 30,000 MP so tedious doesn't begin to describe it. Though if you can silence him for a moment an give him an ether then you can drop him down to 9999 MP I would be wary of expecting that to work on Matrix, since none of the other good and useful bugs work on Matrix.
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fool_of_sound posted:Ranger is solid but only really shines in certain combos. Yeah, that combo being "Rapid Fire with an equipped Chicken Knife to poo poo damage out everywhere".
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Poque posted:We should really pool for the fastest possible run next year In fairness we vote-brigaded for that one year and that was the "DEATH BY MATH IS BORING, I'M GONNA SUICIDE IN THE WIND SHRINE" year from dragondarch.
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Yeah, one Samson's Might gets him to 27 which is L3 Flare-able.
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Mega64 posted:Chemist takes luck because it takes awhile to set their stuff up. Only if you're trying to keep all four people alive. It takes two rounds to get the essential buffs up on a single dedicated Omega killer otherwise.
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Nasgate posted:Hitting Omega with an axe sounds horrible. Rune Axe is 90% accuracy, so it's only marginally worse than using a non-Dagger weapon. (Effective 4.5% hit rate vs 5% with a non-Dagger or 53% for a Dagger)
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Arist posted:BUT MY BRAVE BLADE https://twitter.com/FF5ForFutures/status/748314274376740864
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Poque posted:Brave Blade Best Blade This man also likes geomancers let that influence how you interpret his heresy
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Nasgate posted:Brave Blade and Geomancer are both extremely good.
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Funktastic posted:this got missed in the toxx post (i forgot to do anything to make it stand out whoops) My bad.  Fixed.
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agradine posted:Say what you will about Geomancers, at least they aren't Dragoons. Dragoons are a bulky chassis to boltstrap whatever good skills you have onto and have the unique ability to avoid TKO abilities like Almagest if timed right. Dragoons are way better than Geomancers.
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Samuel Clemens posted:What does the Aegis Shield get you in this run though? Magic attacks aren't a problem once you have Bard and White Mage, and your only shield bearer is going to be Berserker anyway. A 33% chance to no-sell anything and everything in the game quantified as magic is absurd even if your only shield user is a Berserker.
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Blue/Zerk (risked)/Summon/White from #regwinner. I have zero problems with this whatsoever. Full speed ahead to an easy double.
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