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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Jun 28, 2019 16:56
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Majorian posted:This is such a weird thing for her to say. Is it just kind of a lawyer mental tic that she's exhibiting when she does this? "Oops, that thing that I said last week that everybody loved? Yeah, the opposite of that." every single democrat is terrified of giving an actual straight response and instead falls back onto some mealy-mouthed garbage like "well, busing is in our toolbox, and it all must be considered carefully" good thing that bernie is not a democrat
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Jul 4, 2019 14:29
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Helsing posted:It seems like a conscious strategy though, publicly declaring yourself in favour of doing something when all the cameras are rolling and then quietly walking it back the next day on the assumption nobody who matters will call you out on it. It feels a lot more cynical than just feeling the need to please a given audience in the moment. It's so weird, too -- if she's comfortable with lying, then why even bother walking it back?
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Jul 4, 2019 20:22
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https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1148058121706856450 https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1148058883325419520 Thinking fondly on the extremely tedious liberals who think having Marianne in the primary is bad
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Jul 8, 2019 05:00
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Solkanar512 posted:We already had a chat about this, quit acting like an ableist piece of poo poo. I literally have family members with compromised immune systems that would be seriously hurt by her bullshit. There are a lot of people in the world who will be seriously hurt by the imperialist bullshit coming from the vast majority of the people in this primary, and I think having an additional voice in there pointing out that American imperialism is loving evil is good.
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Jul 8, 2019 15:24
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The Muppets On PCP posted:the point about warren's dumb 23 and me goof isn't that she lied about being part cherokee it's that she's
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Jul 9, 2019 01:18
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Condiv posted:suddenly bernie's decision to fade into the background during the first debate looks like a much better move I said it the day of the debate and have been saying it since then. This is a situation where, unironically, going high while they all go low is the path to take. Show that Bernie is focused on issues facing the nation and its citizens while everyone else is squabbling.
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Jul 10, 2019 18:57
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theflyingorc posted:By what method. If the government assumed the debt and paid it off, probably not that bad. If he just declares "THERE IS NO LONGER CREDIT CARD DEBT" then it would probably explode the economy bootlicker
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Jul 12, 2019 05:10
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theflyingorc posted:I think it's going to be very difficult to do more than incrementalism even with a very good result in 2020, even if we get President Bernie, because of the goddamn poo poo that is the US Senate right now. The biggest tactical mistake the Democrats have made was not burning down the filibuster in 2008, which was the window where we could have done some cool things - if we didn't have the filibuster. you're under the impression that the filibuster was the only and exclusive reason that the 2008 Democrats didn't do "cool things". The succeeding decade of history proves extremely otherwise.
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Jul 12, 2019 05:10
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@Berke Negri Don't pretend we don't know who you actually are.
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Jul 13, 2019 05:27
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mcmagic posted:You are selling her plans short of what they are. I agree, but it's important to recognize that Warren's plans are set up in such a way that they can (and will) be chipped away and eroded by centrist slime and Republican scum. The bolder the plans are the harder it is for them to do that. Complicated proposals with a lot of moving parts get bogged down into uselessness -- same happened with PPACA a decade ago. That Warren chooses to start from this position instead of starting from "Abolish all student debt" doesn't inspire confidence that her position is where we'll actually finish at.
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Jul 14, 2019 17:43
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eke out posted:do you actually think the problem with her student loan plan is the "means testing" aspect -- that it's too mean to the rich and reduces the amount forgiven for households making greater than six figures a year? I don't care if rich people do or don't get their student loans forgiven, that the means testing exists at all provides an avenue for the proposal to narrow further and further who it applies to and what it can do.
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Jul 14, 2019 17:44
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Z. Autobahn posted:"Bernie is the only good candidate and everyone else is a monster" is a consistent and defensible stance. You don't have to defend loathsome creatures like Williamson just to stick it to the DNC. I wonder why people like you never use that kind of language for the people who will do everything in their power to continue, expand, and further the American empire. Pander posted:Like, I hope the Marianne mindsetters are just doing this bit strategically, to try and erode Warren's support in hopes it boosts Bernie. Y'know, endlessly screaming Warren's an imperialist without a good reason, trying to set up a dichotomy of "crystals vs war" as if that's actually a spectrum of debate outside of broken brains. Warren is an imperialist, and Marianne is more qualified than the vast majority of the Democratic primary. Terror Sweat posted:It's very simple. If you believe that foreigners lives are worth the same as any American's, then your second choice is the crazy crystal lady. If you believe American lives are worth more, then your number 2 is the republican. Because there's absolutely no way in hell that antivaxxers are killing more people than American foreign policy, and if we're taking both candidates at their words, Williamson is anti war, Warren is neutral to war at best Terror Sweat posted:Counterpoint, the fact that you don’t take American imperialism seriously is the problem here
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Jul 18, 2019 16:19
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Seriously guys, take a step back and look at exactly who gets the most vicious pushback from the party establishment. It's almost always the anti-interventionists and anti-imperialists, regardless of what else they're pushing. The idiot libertarian trying to gut 100% of the American welfare state for a meager monthly income gets shrugged off as a mere curiosity, but Mike Gravel gets shut out of the debates and Marianne Williamson gets described as "virulently dangerous" and "a loathsome creature" and "the candidate for insane people"? Tulsi Gabbard holds reprehensible views -- no worse than people like Dan Lipiniski or Joe Manchin -- but she gets infinitely more pushback from the party establishment than these two people do, specifically because she's been a critic of American "interventionism" for years.
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Jul 18, 2019 16:30
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RuanGacho posted:I dont see the appeal of the GOOP candidate She's one of the only ones who's willing to call what's going on for exactly what it is, which I find to be a far, far more valuable contribution to this primary than loving idiots like Yang, Klobb, or Booker https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1151240240012525568 quote:https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1151106292418662400
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Jul 18, 2019 16:39
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Lightning Knight posted:I am disinterested in Marianne Williamson because Marianne Williamson is not a real candidate. She is a book seller who happens to make good tweets in between crazy tweets. I think the people acting like she’s a greater threat than people like Booker or the Butt are dumb but so is holding her up as the great anti-imperialist hope when she’d just as soon announce that the solution to the I/P conflict is for everyone to better align their spirit energy or whatever. My position is, and has been from the beginning, that I think Marianne contributes much more to the primary and the discussion around it than some loser like Hickenlooper or de Blasio or Booker does and I welcome her being in the primary -- explicitly and entirely because we don't loving have enough anti-imperialist voices in the primary, almost every single one of these candidates are bloodthirsty warmongers. This position is also why I donated $4.20 to Mike Gravel to try to get him onto the stage. I don't expect either Marianne or Gravel to go anywhere, but the more voices pushing back against the infinite expansion of the American empire, the better.
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Jul 18, 2019 21:32
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Solkanar512 posted:You'd have a better time if you were more honest and complete about addressing my arguments rather than performing a lazy strawman act. You want a direct response? Here's mine: on the whole Marianne's vaccine skepticism doesn't bother me as much because we have plenty of advocates for public vaccination. We do not have sufficient advocates against imperialism. In a hypothetical primary where everyone in the field was anti-imperialist, I would be arguing for Marianne to be disqualified from the primary on grounds of her antivax stances and her history of New Age healing schlock. Unfortunately, this primary does not exist.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:02
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FlamingLiberal posted:Isn’t Delaney the one who is just self-funding his entire campaign Not great for long-term prospects though, and you're getting attached to a failure loser instead of being an upwardly-mobile lanyard on the Hill. It's why they're trying to get him to run for an office he can actually win.
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Jul 19, 2019 16:09
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Jul 19, 2019 17:36
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mcmagic posted:If you have enough states sign the national popular vote pact to give their votes to the winner of a popular vote it's effectively gone. How many red states have signed that?
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Jul 19, 2019 21:58
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Ytlaya posted:I think Warren supporters are overrepresented on this forum and in political internet spaces in general, since her support among younger people disproportionately comes from more well-off whites. yronic heroism posted:Lol the posts itt are 5:1 Bernie over Warren dude. Yes, exactly.
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Jul 20, 2019 20:13
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Ruminahui posted:Wow I'm really shocked that once again the Sanders supporters were the ones arguing in good faith and the people just asking questions were proven wrong
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Jul 21, 2019 04:49
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Punk da Bundo posted:He’s so , so pathetic . What kind of goober says he want to punch Trump in the face? And then goes on to say how big and strong and tough and manly he is and he’d hurt the big bad Orangeman. If Jeb had slugged Trump during the second debate when Trump refused to apologize to his wife, we would be living in a very different reality today. They're trying to tap into.. the.. Jeb energy..?
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Jul 23, 2019 19:58
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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1154048387316158464 There are 6 vacant units for every homeless American. https://twitter.com/Datoism/status/1154050195019067393 Bernie is more qualified on this issue and better positioned to tackle the actual problem, but the media will trumpet about the plan to treat the symptoms and not the causes.
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Jul 24, 2019 18:21
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Phone posted:How is saying “I have a plan for that” not rhetoric, but somehow a direct statement telling real estate developers to gently caress off is? .... that the media is reporting, a key distinction to draw here.
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Jul 24, 2019 19:55
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Chilichimp posted:I literally just wrote the same bullshit back at the guy I was quoting with the pronouns switched. You can take that seriously if you want to, but most people correctly interpreted that as a jab. Then answer this: why are billionaires vastly more comfortable with Warren as the candidate?
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Jul 24, 2019 21:23
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Chilichimp posted:I mean, Warren wrote three bills that are being taken up by caucuses in the House right now too. You are breathtakingly naive. The problem is that the media is inflating Warren's plans and completely ignoring Bernie's plans, trying to depict the latter as planless and the former as having the brilliant solution that will save us all. Do you not see the problem and the driving motivations here?
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Jul 24, 2019 21:24
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Chilichimp posted:I didn't realize I was being asked to defend media narratives. Then why are you?
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Jul 24, 2019 21:30
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Jul 25, 2019 00:07
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Democratic Presidential Primary 2020: End of discussion.
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Jul 25, 2019 05:28
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Chilichimp posted:This is a very bad gimmick and no one in this debate and discussion thread is saying those dumb things you're saying. Embarrassing.
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Jul 25, 2019 05:29
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Personally, I think Biden is much better equipped to make that case. Affected or not, his folksy Scrantonism lets him actually connect with swing state voters who went for Obama and then Trump. That track failed in 2016 because of the candidate, imo. Pembroke Fuse posted:Voters went from Obama to Trump for a variety of reasons. Pretty sure one of those reasons wasn't the "folksy Scrantonism" of Trump. "Swing voters" who went Obama-Trump are also irrelevant. There are far more people who voted in 2008 and 2012 who either stayed home or were blocked from voting in 2016 than there were who switched from Obama to Trump.
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Jul 25, 2019 18:35
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Per this article more Obama voters went Trump than didn't vote. 4.4 + 2.3 > 6.0. Doesn't account for voter suppression, also doesn't account for 2008 voters (Obama had far higher turnout in '08 than he did in '12, before it was revealed he was a neoliberal with no intention of fulfilling his campaign promises) like myself -- I voted for Obama in '08 but third party in '12 (and Hillary in '16, for the record).
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Jul 25, 2019 19:00
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Chilichimp posted:They REALLY want Warren to just "ADMIT IT ADMIT IT YOU BITCH!" that people will pay taxes under her plan that will remove all of their healthcare/insurance costs. CNN was blatantly trying to get a tax soundbite out of both Bernie and Warren last night, it was infuriating and the biased moderating was a big reason I walked away after 20-30 minutes, I was about to start yelling at the TV in the restaurant where I work at. VH4Ever posted:So, who still says Liz can't be forceful with Trump in a debate later on? Liz is stronger than people give her credit for. I love when she goes Full Schoolteacher on someone asking a poo poo question: I'm all in for Bernie but Warren did exceptionally well last night and I think a lot of internet leftists aren't allowing themselves to recognize that.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:50
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CuddleCryptid posted:Right wing: Socialists just want to print more money to pay for things! No, this is silly. We're redistributing wealth to reduce the disproportionate amount of power that the wealthy wield. At the same time, money isn't loving real, it's an abstract representation of what we colllectively choose to do as a society. Are you at all aware of MMT? Economists are bitcoin miners now?
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Jul 31, 2019 16:45
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mcmagic posted:The fact is that Warren is running on what would be the best D platform since FDR and people are still crapping on her in this thread (even people who support Bernie as I do). It's dumb and non contextual. Bernie himself clearly likes her and would VASTLY prefer her to any other candidate running. The thing about Warren is that she's clearly the second best choice, but at the same time I really wish she would've ran in 2016 if she's going to run this particular campaign. Too many of her policies would've been fine four years ago, but we're in a much tougher place as a country, and we have four fewer years to unfuck the planet before the clathrate guns go off. We need much more dramatic and drastic change now and I don't have faith that she'll push for what we need, right now, for 2020.
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Jul 31, 2019 16:54
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God damnit Hillary Clinton loving sucked and I still can't think about 2016 without becoming enraged.
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Jul 31, 2019 16:56
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mcmagic posted:I agree with basically all of what you're saying here and I've said most of this myself but we still have to live in the reality of who exactly is running. Warren is FAR AND AWAY the best choice after Bernie and I don't see the point in crapping on her. If Warren can't survive being "crapped on" then she's not going to make it through the general anyway. This is just the reflexive Hillary defense from 2016 but with a new name.
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mcmagic posted:You should be making GBS threads on the candidates who would be utter disasters. Like the current front runner. I do when I'm talking to people who are amenable to Biden, like my coworkers and the teachers I hang out with. Not much point doing it in this thread.
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