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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Groovelord Neato posted:because once you pass HR1 and other laws the gop never takes the house or presidency ever again. If true, that makes Obama look like a really terrible leader.
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Jun 28, 2019 17:07
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I am unconvinced that Republicans lose forever if this becomes law:quote:* voluntary public financing for campaigns, matching small donations at a 6:1 ratio It is a defense against Republican attacks but I don't think it would actually prevent any incumbent Republicans in the senate from winning re-election, for example. And none of these are really new ideas, so again if this is the lethal poison to Republicans, imagine how stupid Obama is to have not done it.
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Jun 28, 2019 17:30
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Groovelord Neato posted:imagine how stupid the people that killed ACORN based on a phony video are! My point is more that "Pass HR1" is an insufficient answer because of all those reasons why, but we must still prevent Republican control as the Republic does hang in the balance. Only Sanders and Williamson have an answer: mass popular action. Sanders proposes political and Williamson spiritual, but they're the only ones even close to the ballpark.
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Jun 28, 2019 17:39
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TGLT posted:She's a self help writer who dismissed plans as superficial and spent her entire time talking in vague but important sounding platitudes. She tempered her nominal but non-specific support for reparations by saying the average american isn't racist, just undereducated. Yeah its pretty incredible that she's still better than the 20 centrists.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:31
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TGLT posted:Well of course she's the most electable, you can't refuse the orders of a psychic. Well Williamson isn't anti-vax: quote:I understand that many vaccines are important and save lives. I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines. I also understand some of the skepticism that abounds today about drugs which are rushed to market by Big Pharma. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke. But yeah I'd vote for Williamson and probably never vote for Biden. At least Williamson isn't pro-segregation.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:39
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Did yall not hear when Bernie said: GUTHRIE: Senator Sanders I will give you 10 seconds just to ask the—answer the very direct question will you raise taxes for the middle class in a Sanders administration? SANDERS: People who have healthcare under Medicare for all will have no premiums, no deductibles, no copayments, no out of expe—out-of-pocket expenses. Yes, they will pay more in taxes but less in healthcare for what they get. (APPLAUSE)
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Jun 28, 2019 18:41
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TGLT posted:In that debate she came across as an empty conwoman. If she has some actual longstanding support of anti-imperialism and some actual concrete proposals I'd love to hear them, but otherwise she seems like the same sort of empty suit but with love instead of bipartisanship. I'm trying to check into her 2014 run to figure out who exactly she has been before this presidential bid, but if you got some information do share. https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1914380026 https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1914418108 https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1131038453989302273
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Jun 28, 2019 19:06
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sean10mm posted:Being as gullible as possible about a magic crystal anti-vax woo-woo scammer is the new woke lmao What did she say at the debate that was wrong? Here's the transcript if you need help: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/us/politics/transcript-debate.html
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Jun 28, 2019 19:13
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I'm serious that Williamson is better than Biden.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:17
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Solkanar512 posted:It's not that she's "kooky", she's an out and out anti-vaxxer. Except she explicitly said she isn't an anti-vaxxer: quote:“I understand that many vaccines are important and save lives. I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines. I also understand some of the skepticism that abounds today about drugs which are rushed to market by Big Pharma. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke.”
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Jun 28, 2019 19:53
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Those aren't meaningfully distinguishable positions Ok now you've got me curious. Of the 2020 candidates on Vaccines & exemptions: quote:Bernie: "Any exemptions should be rare and consistent with public health needs"
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Jun 28, 2019 20:07
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:one of the elementary schools in my town has a vaccination rate of 42 fuckin percent. i don't want to hear excuses for an anti-vaxxer presidential candidate when there is a very real possibility (or perhaps more accurately, inevitability) that a whole bunch of kids in my town are gonna get extremely sick, possibly suffering lifelong debilitating complications and even death from a completely preventable illness. gently caress williamson and gently caress her apologists. She's as anti-vax as half the candidates including Biden, that's what so impressive about how bad they are.
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Jun 29, 2019 08:00
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Williamson owns if she does nothing more than highlight how many candidates have conservative views on vaccine exemptions. If you're "purity testing" (  ) Williamson over vaccines, that also removes Inslee, O'Rourke, Biden, Harris, Klobuchar, Castro, Hickenlooper, Gillibrand and Gabbard, all who do not support removing the religious and personal belief exemption. Which is fine and great because for the most part they all suck already. And that basically just leaves Warren and Sanders as the remaining real contenders.
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Jun 29, 2019 19:15
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joepinetree posted:This is the thing that drives me up a wall. Virtually all of Bernie's signature proposals have been introduced as bills in the senate. Bernie is likely to be the presidential candidate with the most detailed proposals in history, because they are nearly all actually written as bills in the senate. And yet the media treats Warren as the smart wonk because she throws out a wealth tax bill with numbers that are absolutely meaningless. Because Warren is doing the media's job for them and because we've completely commoditized media labor and media they're stuck at the same capitalism grindstone as the rest of us. So when Warren posts a medium post that means to many reporters "congrats your boss wont yell at you today if you just copy and paste an article in 5 minutes" versus Bernie's senate bills that would demand research and reading and work. Since the boss doesn't ever give a poo poo about quality only clicks, why pick the hard old news versus the easy new news? Also that whole "simple good plans are boring" but "complex worse plans are smart!" That the media loves like the hyperloop.
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Jun 29, 2019 20:03
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Just put the people on ignore that you always hate to read? If there's only a handful of them it shouldn't be so hard.
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Jun 29, 2019 20:54
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Solkanar512 posted:It doesn’t loving remove Inslee, he removed additional exemptions in Washington State and has been pro-vaccine the entire time. The bill still allows religious exemptions: quote:The legislature in his home state recently passed a bill to end personal belief exemptions to vaccines, which he is expected to sign into law. Washington continues to allow religious and medical exemptions. So if you're trying to defend religious exemptions as good vaccine policy, that's different. But most of the posters who've expressed interest in exemption policy have so far been pretty hardline on "no exemptions." edit: sorry I mean "no non-medical exemptions" obviously Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jun 29, 2019 |
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Jun 29, 2019 21:21
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Tibalt posted:I didn't say they're the same, I said they're on the same side - something their policies and votes reflect. which side is that? Because they don't seem to be on the same side at all to me.
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Jun 29, 2019 21:33
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If 2016 repeats itself....
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Jun 29, 2019 22:11
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Nonsense posted:The Marianne men have arrived Please they’re “Marianettes” disparagingly and Marianne’s Angels lovingly.
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Jun 30, 2019 00:31
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DeadlyMuffin posted:This tweet seems pretty innocuous to me. Good thing you're here to read between the lines and let us know she actually meant "American Empire Forever!" Ok now you have me curious. Since the OP's contention was that Warren was similar to Clinton, and you did post the website.... Warren: quote:A strong military should act as a deterrent so that most of the time, we won’t have to use it. We must continue to be vigilant about the threat of terrorism, but it’s time to bring our troops home – and make sure they get support and benefits they’ve earned. Clinton: quote:As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton worked to restore America’s leadership in the world after it was badly eroded by eight years of the Bush administration’s go-it-alone foreign policy. She oversaw significant accomplishments, from building a global coalition to impose crippling sanctions against Iran, to brokering a ceasefire in Gaza and protecting Israel, to supporting President Obama’s decision to bring Osama bin Laden to justice, and much more. Defending America and our core values is one of the cornerstones of Hillary’s campaign. Funny enough, Clinton didn't actually have a distinct "foreign policy" issues page afaik.
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Jun 30, 2019 20:06
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LinYutang posted:Bernie was doing rallies to build his organization and brand immediately following the 2016 election to today. By that measure Biden has been doing so since before February 2007. Or arguably earlier.
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Jun 30, 2019 23:13
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Of the time that United States of America has been governed according to this Constitution, Joe Biden has been running for President for ~13% of it.
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Jun 30, 2019 23:20
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Epicurius posted:He's not an antivaxxer. He made a statement saying he supported letting people opt out for religious reasons unless there's a public health crisis that would override that. After he got criticism for it, he "walked it back"...ie, changed his position. But you can support letting people opt out of vaccination and not yourself be antivax. IDK this seems like an anti-vax position to most people in this thread: quote:I understand that many vaccines are important and save lives. I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines. I also understand some of the skepticism that abounds today about drugs which are rushed to market by Big Pharma. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke.
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Jul 3, 2019 03:25
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Unoriginal Name posted:I thought it would come up during the first debate when someone mentioned supporting downticket candidates but noooope I'm pessimistic that the moderators and the media would let that attack land if it comes from another candidate. Biden will answer in the debate "I wasn't campaigning and I didn't endorse! What can't you say a few nice words about your friend at a private event?" It won't matter if it is true, because then the media will 12 pinocchios because technically on paper it wasn't campaigning it was just speaking positively about a Republican candidate in advance of an election.
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Jul 3, 2019 17:39
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pangstrom posted:His quotes ended up on mailers etc., pretty sure it would land among primary voters and he wouldn't be able to respond well. But hopefully we'll get a chance to see who is right! If it comes from a moderator or from a journalist in an interview (weird Biden hasn't been doing interviews... ) then yeah I think it hurts Biden a lot. If it comes from another candidate at a debate, I think the debate format is specifically one where it will minimize the impact. A journalist or a moderator can force Biden to equivocate because of the pretense of neutrality. But with other candidates Biden can just say they're wrong and trying to make it illegal to have Republican friends.
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Jul 3, 2019 17:49
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OB_Juan posted:I haven't seen any of the candidates say anything about the border camps yet. Maybe I've missed it? It seems like a current, pressing issue they'd like to publicly comment on. Did I miss their stances somewhere? Yeah a bunch of them went to a camp a while back and others have had statements and positions out for months/years.
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Jul 7, 2019 16:32
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Z. Autobahn posted:Bernie won't even promise to abolish the filibuster Just FYI the president can’t do that.
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Jul 8, 2019 01:33
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Z. Autobahn posted:I thought Bernie had incredible willpower and a mass movement behind him that could overcome any obstacle? I realize that you don’t believe that mass political power has any effect. But this isn’t the gotcha you think.
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Jul 8, 2019 01:37
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Williamson isn’t more anti-vax than most candidates, yet people will 100% give Biden or Harris a pass on the topic while declaring Williamson should be banned from the debates over a comment she retracted and apologized for.
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Jul 8, 2019 16:06
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mcmagic posted:She's not a serious candidate. Her in the debates is a waste of everyone's time. That's true for everyone who isn't in the top 5. So if we're wasting everyone's time with Yang or Hickenlooper or Ryan, having Williamson is a good thing since her message is better than than all the other non-serious candidates.
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Jul 8, 2019 17:03
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mcmagic posted:The fact that she's the one delivering the message isn't a positive if you want that message out. So saith you. And its clearly working better than having no one bringing up these topics at all. Most of the evidence points that way, even if a bunch of op-ed quality centrists really hate her. Someone mentioning the US's role in SA migration is better than no one. Even if a bunch of people who'd disagree with the message no-matter-what also dislike her.
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Jul 8, 2019 17:16
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Solkanar512 posted:This is little more than bullshit equivocation. Pete gave a lovely answer because he clearly hasn't thought the problem through. Marianne literally makes her living off of snake oil bullshit. You're being disingenuous as usual when you equate the two. I am taking this seriously, I hope you can learn to stop insulting people who disagree with you. Williamson has this to say about vaccines: quote:“I understand that many vaccines are important and save lives. I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines. I also understand some of the skepticism that abounds today about drugs which are rushed to market by Big Pharma. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke.” There seems to be two legitimate standards people use in this thread for "anti-vax" either: 1. Opposing vaccines and/or promoting pseudo-science that is anti-vax. 2. Opposing bans on personal and religious exemptions from vaccines. Williamson is not type 1, she does qualify as type 2, but so does a large chunk of the candidates on the debate stage. If we're going to say "well, what she said in the 90s was too problematic" then likewise, I think we'll find that most of the candidates on stage had extremely problematic takes in the 90s. Like Tulsi, or Biden, or Warren. So Williamson serves two valuable purposes, she points out the hypocrisy in the centrists who want us to ignore all their past failures and also she spreads valuable and compelling messages like: our culture is broken or the US is responsible for the migratory crisis. (There is of course a candidate who didn't have a bunch of poo poo takes in the 90s and is spreading a good message, but people repeatedly request we stop talking about that candidate.)
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Jul 8, 2019 17:30
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:Allowing some nutbag a platform to spread their dangerous bullshit is harmful. Can you quote me which part of what Williamson said on stage that was "dangerous bullshit"? I don't remember her using the platform for that at all.
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Jul 8, 2019 18:21
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Jul 9, 2019 17:20
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Iamgoofball posted:hey can i ask why y'all are playing right into the GOP's hands by sticking to the issue they very specifically exploited to cause division within the ranks here on the left? like, come on, it's obvious Funny how that was the line used in 2016 and weirdly enough it backfired then like it would backfire now. "Shhhh don't mention our weaknesses during the primary that's unfair" is a losing strategy.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:40
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Eiba posted:So this is kind of a local issue, but I got some insight into how this cuts both ways recently. You're framing this as if Warren isn't still claiming she has Native American Heritage. But this is her website:  So either its OK for her to keep saying she has Native American Heritage (and if so why was it wrong for Harvard to call her a WoC?) or she hasn't learned from the backlash.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:04
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Eiba posted:I think basically anyone can beat Trump if they don't suck as bad as Clinton... That's an opinion that's not backed up by polling. Considering that with the electoral college a Democrat would need to do better than 50% on national polls, as it stands Warren, Buttigieg, and Harris all lose to Trump. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/ Now you can assume that candidate X will start doing better in the future, but that's different.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:26
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Are there any ways to integrate schools other than busing End school districts for starts.
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Jul 9, 2019 19:03
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How are u posted:What do you mean / hope to accomplish by this? In the US the school district is one of the prime methods of class and race segregation. So if we're not going to physically move kids around, then breaking down the barriers between districts is the next best thing.
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Jul 9, 2019 19:08
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VH4Ever posted:It was always leading up to this, wasn't it? Motherfucker. I gather you haven't been following Steyer for long. It wasn't a "bait and switch lie trap" he just constantly decides he has to Do Something then proceeds to get owned.
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Jul 9, 2019 20:00
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