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More good Brexit news, not only will it finally liberate the UK to become a It's wins all over the place! quote:NO-DEAL BREXIT WOULD BE A WINDFALL FOR UK INDUSTRY: In case the U.K. leaves the EU without a deal — something new British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said is not his problem to avoid — the national carbon price would plummet to nearly half that of the bloc’s, according to guidance published this week by the U.K. Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS). That’s because in that scenario, a carbon tax of £16 per ton of carbon dioxide would be applied from November 4 to industrial installations currently covered by the EU’s cap-and-trade system, where emission permits trade at nearly £27.50 per ton. The aviation sector wouldn’t be subject to such a tax.
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Good to see that this year's Magic Money Tree harvest is ripe for the picking. Why do you ask? Of course flammable tower cladding or food banks aren't getting any.
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Noxville posted:Why do we need an emergency fund, I thought we’d be rolling in it after Brexit, no deal was better than a bad deal, etc etc No, there will be a 'small adjustment period' when you'll all have to eat sawdust and sell of the NHS, but then *BAM* massive growth and jobs for everyone.
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Jack the Lad posted:Absolutely agree, just hand wringing is a bit rubbish - but whose events I can attend instead to achieve change now? Hello friends at the digital intelligence services. This is a dead comedy forum and we're cool. Don't worry about it.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Claudio Boro is the head analyst for BIS,the bankers bankers...bank.surprisingly the guy is pretty non ideological in its analyses, he has a interesting interview here: Crossposting this from EUpol - really interesting interview about how all our economic models are broken and the solutions of the previous crisis won't work.
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Aug 1, 2019 11:59
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I'd love to join the podcast as a vile and, even worse, Europe-based person? If that's still allowed?
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Aug 1, 2019 20:41
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Rockopolis posted:Split the difference and call it a Doggerland podcast? This is probably my only gripe about WDTATW as well, it's like they're whispering in aa basement.
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Aug 1, 2019 21:57
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So which one of us was silly enough to volunteer to make ukmt podcast spreadsheets or something? Been a bit out of things as I've no roaming in this alpine paradise.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/02/labour-boris-johnson-progressive-pact-greens-lib-dems Lmao Paul Mason is losing his mind.
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One LibDem favoured stronghold voting Libdem and he wants to have a GroKo with everyone but SNP. Brilliant Paul, just brilliant.
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Aug 2, 2019 22:45
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Steve2911 posted:Right I've decided I'm going to do the whole engagement thing but Google is useless for this. Buy a nice ring? I got a really nice one with an emerald for my fiance as a) diamonds are nonsense and b) they wouldn't look nice with her skin tone anyway. The moment you look away from diamonds the price drops by half and it's also much more unique. Also never ask to marry in a big public place. Give him/her a chance to let you down and not feel pressured.
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Aug 3, 2019 22:14
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I was seen! It's just a urine infection! I am now getting pillz Huzzah. Now wash more.
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jabby posted:
Oh yeah this is an important bit too; don't over plan it either. No perfectly timed something something or romantic mariachi bands or whatever. Anyone I know who has ever tried to pull of a hot air balloon + dove release + wheat field crop writing or whatever has always massively failed. Sometimes hilariously so, but still. Simple and adjustable plans are way better.
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kingturnip posted:I had to pop out this morning and had Radio 4 on in the car. Will Self was bloviating on in his Point of View about the fact that as a 'society' we've essentially decided that culture has a market value, and that if it has no market value, it isn't culture. This is the dumbest loving poo poo. I was starting to write an effortpost but I can't be arsed. It's so dumb. Junior G-man fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Jose posted:not sure these sackings would be legal? Amazing how quickly he's becoming a real life Malcolm Tucker. What an absolute oval office. Then again, being a giant oval office to Tory spad cunts is also fine by me. They can all butcher each other.
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Aug 5, 2019 11:15
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Lord Ludikrous posted:This is bad for Jeremy Corbyn. Washing Machine Socialism is the only path forward.
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Aug 5, 2019 12:08
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It's the first step towards a border wall with a reconstituted Danelaw on one side.Huge fan.
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Aug 5, 2019 13:00
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Tesseraction posted:who would win: I'm pretty OK with testing that thesis.
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Aug 5, 2019 13:22
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Cool, cool, there's a nice new hostile environment policy. This time for filthy Europeans, there to scrounge on proud UK benefits: quote:EU citizens are being made homeless and destitute after being turned down for universal credit despite having the legal right to reside in the UK, in what critics are calling the benefit system’s very own “hostile environment”.
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Aug 5, 2019 13:25
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Renaissance Robot posted:So if I'm reading you right, the thing to do if you want a big forest is expand existing copses until they join up? Yeah there was a huge push about ten years ago in the Netherlands to join up all the 'biodiversity islands' (national parks, Natura 2000 etc) with either protected corridors, protected farmland measures or 'lilly pads' that would allow species to transit from one area to the next in order to create more linked biodiversity and species diversity. It was almost a go but then the government changed hands and the loving liberals torched it because 'business might have a thing'. My dad was closely involved in putting the whole thing together and it was a huge blow when it fell apart.
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Aug 5, 2019 13:41
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Ratjaculation posted:pretty much, ecological island biogeography is a massive factor these days with the amount of anthropological impact. Good luck with the Japanese knotweed for starters. That poo poo is insane and nearly impossible to clean up. And you'd need to do a bunch of forestry management but I don't think it would be that intense - you'd need to cut back appropriately and develop mixed forests, but that's all manageable. If climate change and the bugs & diseases it brings doesn't kill off all the trees before you start. Also the ideal starting point would be two decades ago. Still worth doing though!
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Aug 5, 2019 13:50
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Ratjaculation posted:"Why do you hate the farmers" I dunno, i think a lot of UK farmers would generally be ok with 'farming nature' as long as the rewards are there for it. The National Trust already does this with most of the farms they manage. You'd just exchange animals (losing money anyway) or arable crops (precarious) for doing a lot of tree and pasture management. Lots of the young farmers I know would love to, but DEFRA isn't in any shape to do it now, and it's been mismanaged for 10 years by the goddamn Tories. The problem is that in the UK, and in the EU overall, we need to get rid of a whole generation of farmers who started in the 1970s, are still there, and have no reason to quit because they have no pension, unless they're willing to sell the land to a developer. They're overall not the worst people, they're just stuck in old, old ways of farming and attitudes to nature that are nearly impossible to dislodge. Add to that that farming overall is still under the EU minimum wage and you don't have a recipe for sustainable land management. Junior G-man fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Aug 5, 2019 |
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biglads posted:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/05/centrist-mps-general-election-labour-tory-moderates Goddamn that is some weapons grade, A** brainworms. That's amazing.
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Aug 5, 2019 13:57
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Ratjaculation posted:in my experience the NT does not get along with many of its tenant farmers, or have stringent and strict agreements. On dartmoor, we had one who just went out and swaled massive areas of common land on his own initiative just a few weeks ago. In my experience it's been that the rewards for nature conservation really haven't been there yet. Yes there's subsidies, but only a max of 30% are directly designated for nature protection, and an even lesser fraction is designed for the semi-mandatory 3-5% of arable land that's supposed to be set-aside for nature (unless you're a young farmer, an old farmer, a farmer with less than 40ha and so on and so on). Farmers, I think wrongly, see the subsidies as part of their basic income, not as a reward for doing nature work; it's the logical consequence of an old farming population that's used to having it exactly like that, and overall low incomes. Most UK and EU farmers wouldn't survive without the subsidies anyway. I'd be super ok with them leasing tenanting the land away for others to do nature protection on it, but you'd have to set 20-30 year contracts to develop long-term biodiversity projects, and stipulate that they couldn't be destroyed on reversal of the contract. I don't think smallholding is the way to go; I know it's talked up a big game and there's a number of good test cases out there, but too many of them don't have good land management skills and will seek to maximalise their returns per ha. because they need to survive (unless the wife/husband is the local dentist or something.
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Ratjaculation posted:in my experience the NT does not get along with many of its tenant farmers, or have stringent and strict agreements. Yeah, I've heard those stories too and spoken to a few of them. It's a 50/50 on whether or not the farmer really understood what he/she was getting into, or it was NT management-from-a-distance that drove the farmers mad. It's usually a mix of the two that cause those things to go wrong. I was heavily involved in a really big LIFE restoration project with farmers and foresters in Belgium to restore watercourses and quality, and that basically came about because the farmers and local government got really tired of paying the lawyers to fight in court and decided to see if this collaboration joke really worked. Still, a bunch of them signed up and the results have been super positive, in terms of both economy and ecology, but it took years of negotiation before the first diggers arrived on site. However, they were still grumpy when they found that the contracts they signed, and we highlighted and warned them about 100 times, that they had to keep the land in pristine condition for a minimum of 30 years after the project end. The problem here was that while there was EU and local funding for the project, there was a hair over zero for maintenance afterwards.
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suck my woke dick posted:This is a problem with grant programs everywhere, and people need to stop pretending that a few years of ~competitively awarded~ funding is a substitute for just paying to maintain poo poo as part of the base budget (I'd argue that as far as national/EU budgets go the environment is just infrastructure that's hard to rebuild after it falls apart). Yeah, the maintenance of projects post-grants time is really difficult to get funding for because there's no more shiny results and things to put in excel tables anymore. The internet is just littered with a million non-functioning program websites and massively underused databases that were all created as part of EU project funding, but are completely atrophied from lack of funding and therefore use afterwards. The Commission usually just says something like 'well it's up to local entity X to take care', but those guys have smaller budgets every day as well.
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suck my woke dick posted:Would incorporating everyone necessary for the maintenance functions and becoming a contractor work Not in the EU case because the programs are usually designed to fall roughly in line with the seven-year budget cycles, so you can't create an open-ended 'EU pays 50% maintenance costs' clause. They're getting a lot better at demanding that the counterparties have both a practical and a budget plan for the next 20 years, but that's always one austerity budget or change in (local) government away from being hacked apart.c
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Roblo posted:Trying to be positive, I think things are moving in the right direction in regard to land management, though a lot of it will be down to what form whatever replaces the current subsidies system takes. Yeah, you could really do some interesting stuff in a post-Common Agricultural Policy world and really design it from the ground up to protect climate and nature - I've always liked http://www.risefoundation.eu/projects/cap-thinking-outside-the-box; sort of a 5-tiered system where all land managers who get subsidies have to do basic stuff, and tier 5 would basically be 'farming for nature'. However - like I said before - DEFRA is an understaffed hellhole that hasn't been forcefully led in ten years because the Tories don't give a gently caress. Flood management is really good though, and also an easier sell because it's soooooo much cheaper to do upstream land management practices than build giant dams and barriers downstream. suck my woke dick posted:Within the UK, at least for research grants, the trick right now is to inflate your overhead rates to supplement the base budget. One of my colleagues works at a university where they straight up tell you that 1) you get X% of the overhead paid back into your account as unrestricted funding and 2) you should apply for the most expensive grants possible. Hahaha yeah, the amount of giant overheads and phantom staff members that get added into projects is hilarious. Mine had at least two ghost employees and max overhead fuckery to ensure that the whole thing was financially viable.
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Guavanaut posted:But it's nothing that science can't solve, I long for the xenofeminist future where everyone except Graham Linehan has half a dozen autowindmilling dicks and it doesn't define their gender. Would their rotation be able to lift people up and take them to work like a personal dick helicopter? Because then we'd solve our transport issues too.
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suck my woke dick posted:Ahem. I define my position on gender identity by strongly opposing the Hang glider vaginas also ok. Also other forms of transport-efficient genital apparatus. Didn't mean to make it a patriarchal thing, apologies.
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Ratjaculation posted:Last I heard the majority of staff were also on secondment to projects planning for brexit. So glad the ecological and climate catastrophes were willing to let us hold off for a few years To be fair to DEFRA, if there's a hard Brexit the food and agri sectors are going to be turbo-hosed from day one, so I'm actually on board with them dealing with the immediate short term. It would just be nice if they had the resources to properly plan a post-Brexit UK agri-envi-food system policy as well. Because you can't really have separate policies for food, the environment, and human health. They're extremely integrated.
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Boris Johnson said a bunch of bullshit while doing the exact opposite and cheering on disaster capitalism? Whaaaaaaat??
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Ratjaculation posted:I support Boris and No Deal because the issue I have is that food is affordable for too many. Food for the few, not the many. - Vote Boris 2020
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Cummings has such a bizarre head. It's like he's a distant cousin of Gollum or something.
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LOL, my threatened identity as a wealthy, (presumably) white, Tory, male needs protecting. Please write a law that says 'no mean things about Richie Rich".
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sebzilla posted:Hey UKMT I've been camping in Wales all weekend and now I'm 30, did I miss anything important over the past dozen or so pages? Tia There was more crispchat a while back. And teachat. That was v. important. How's Wales? I'm going next week and have never been.
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Soylent Yellow posted:What area? It's a fairly big place. What level of activity do you want? Hiking Offa's Dyke for a week with my dad. Mainly just good pub recommendations along the trail 
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What the gently caress are Two Child Policy and Military Covenant?
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It's sorta-kinda probable, depends on how Parliament reacts when BoJo doesn't actually resign or call and election after he loses a Brexit or other major vote and just runs the clock out to Oct. 31.
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An area the size of Wales that we could literally do anything more useful on. I'm even willing to include nuclear waste storage. gently caress me.
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