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BigDave posted:I swear I'm gonna find wherever Wayne LaPierre is holed up and beat him to death with my bare hands just for the irony. He's out buying $79,000 worth of suits a year and in the middle of an internal power struggle cuz he's a shitstain that even pro-gun people hate.
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Cugel the Clever posted:It's time we stop pretending that everyone in the GOP just has a different opinion on gun policy and start seriously wondering the extent to which they support the agendas of these right-wing terrorists. Here's the problem - it's not going to work. Banning so called assault weapons is not going to work because "assault weapons" are really just semi automatic rifles with certain scart features like a pistol grip, or a collapsible stock, or a barrel shroud, or a muzzle brake, or a flash suppressor, or a super scary bayonet lug. Look at California's increasingly restrictive gun laws and you'll see that simple assault weapon bans aren't enough, and that when they fail to work, every single law after that gets more and more restrictive, yet still fails to do what the legislators want them to do. First they grandfathered in preban magazines. Then they got rid of that. The when people followed the letter of the law with the bullet button, they banned that, too. The generous interpretation is to say that the legislators want to end gun violence. The more cynical interpretation is that the legislators want to pass a bill that looks like they are being tough on the NRA and looks like they're tough on gun violence, while also doing nothing to end the root causes of gun violence in general because that is etremely expensive, complicated, multi-faceted, and requires a reworking of our health care system, our mental health care system, our education system, and our criminal justice system. So passing a bill that further restricts what guns people can have is just a hell of a lot easier for them to do. I honestly can't really blame them, because people, like voters, like simple answers. They don't like complicated solutions because you can't put that in a sound bite. That's the same exact reason why people love what Trump says about immigrants. "The immigrants are taking your jobs, the immigrants are dangerous, it's the immigrants fault why you aren't rich. Building the wall will solve this!" It's a really simple answer, and it's completely wrong. But people love being told what they already think is true, and if you have a simple solution to a problem that reinforces what people already think is true, then you're gonna get votes. The 1st problem with passing more gun laws Is that fascists, right wing militias, and white supremacists aren't going to turn theirs in, and I'll be dammed if it's only the Rpublicans that have firearms after a ban. The 2nd problem is that of implementation. The 1994 AWB only passed the house and senate because of the sunset clause. A bill without the sunset clause will have a much harder time of being passed. Then there's the issue of grandfathering the firearms that exist now. If you don't grandfather the so called assault weapons that are legally owned now, and instead go the route of a mandatory buy-up, you've just made felons of millions of Americans instantly, because even non racist otherwise law abiding citizens aren't going to hand them in. Then, how are you going to pay for all of the ones that are turned in? That'll be spending tens of billions of dollars taking previously legally owned firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens, when those billions would've been better spent on improving access to healthcare, universal pre-K, or expanding the free school lunch problem. The other problem with passing more restrictive gun laws is that it's not going to address any root causes for gun violence in general, or the rise of mass shootings in particular. Trump's rise to power and his racist rhetoric emboldens other racists. Hate crimes have gone up significantly since hes been president. Racists love him. White supremacists love him. The anti immigrant, Anti-Muslim narrative has caused so many lone wolf terrorist attacks. El Paso was a terrorist attack. Full stop. Yet the DOJ and FBI aren't going hard after right-wing white supremacist terrorista groups, at least publicly. Why would they when their boss is a racist himself? The FBI has purview over those types of assholes, and I'm sure they've got undercover guys working on infiltrating white supremacist groups, but here you run into the same problems that they run into with violent Islamist extremist groups - most of these terrorists are self-radicalized. Most of them have few outside social contacts or friends, or if they do, they hide their extremist views (or at least their intensions to commit an attack) from everyone except their online friends (whether it be Stormfront or 8chan, or jihadist websites) or a small group of people who they're going to commit the act with. There's not a lot of chances for law enforcement to intervene because these fucks largely fly under the radar. You can't just arrest people in a white supremacist group just because the views they espouse are abhorrent, just like you can't lock up Muslims who post jihadi videos online and say that it's great when Americans get blown up overseas. It's free speech, and thank gently caress we still have that right somewhat intact. So these people fly under the radar either because 1) they self radicalize completely, or 2) they incubate in these echo chambers of hate until they are ready to commit the act. Unless a family member or friend alerts the FBI or local police, no one's gonna know until they commit the act. And even when the person is known and has an interaction with FBI or police, we don't have Minority Report style pre-cogs who can know what they're doing in a week, so unless they've already done something illegal, it's not easy to charge them with anything. And it's not like we have unlimited resources in equipment, man-hours, and manpower to watch every possible bad guy, or even every guy that's on a watchlist - nor should we.* If we did, we'd live in a no-poo poo dystopian dictatorship. *(There have been so many terror attacks committed by home grown terrorists in Europe where the attackers have been known to police or intelligence agencies, But they were never charged with anything because they didn't commit crimes yet. Some people think that if someone is known to police or intelligence as a potential terrorist (for instance, if they fought for ISIS in Syria and then came back to France or Belgium), that the authorities have 24 hour surveillance on a guy with a 12 man team of agents and surveillance specialists with multiple cars and phone taps. That poo poo isn't reality. There's far too many potential bad guys, and not nearly enough resources to watch them all). In short, gun laws aren't going to solve the issue. What we need to do is to look at the problem holistically, and come up with science and fact based solutions that doesn't give the government more power and doesn't further infringe on people's rights to adequate self defense. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Fox, that piece of poo poo Tucker, our rear end in a top hat President, and right wing media writ large are literally contributing to the radicalization of these racist fucks. Not a moment of self reflection was had by any of them.
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Eej posted:Right wing nationalism is on the rise throughout the globe but mass shootings are only on the rise in America. "Lone wolf" means a single attacker PER ACT. Not "lol its just one or two guys." There's a definition.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Or maybe focus enforcement on Domestic, Right Wing groups. We have an intelligebce apparatus that can track down the single individuals who shot down Extortion 17. We can track down and kill two nameless Taliban fighters, but can't track Right Wing Domestic poo poo? We have a very good reason - we do not want the entire intel community spying on Americans. Don't you remember the outcry when the NSA was scooping up people's meta data for phone calls? Do you really want the NSA and CIA to be spying on Americans? I sure as gently caress don't. The sorry state of our civil liberties is hosed enough without tearing down that pretty decent sized wall between domestic LEO / intel and foreign focused and mil intel.
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Chichevache posted:I'd say at the very least we could stop selling new guns. It doesn't do anything about the 300 million we have now, but it sets the stage for taking then away in the future. One thing I don't get is how people like you (and others in this thead) that want to see the end of gun ownership, is how do you support something that is going to take away or extremely restrict the ability of people to defend themselves. The elderly, ill or infirm, people with disabilities, the weaker/shorter people, and most women are more easily able to defend themselves from attackers with firearms. Mace/pepper spray is only so effective - it's not even close to 100% effective. Knives take some skill to defend yourself with, and you get too close to an attacker to safely use it anyway. A firearm is an equalizer. Whereas before firearms, a bigger, stronger attacker would easily victimize you, a disabled or smaller or weaker person could easily defend themselves against a much larger attacker. Will they be able to in every circumstance? No. But they'll have a hell of a better chance with a firearm than without. If my ex girlfriend who had muscular dystrophy in her legs had a firearm on her or in her purse, it's quite possible she would've been able to shoot her attacker, and then she never would've been brutally attacked and raped, then she never would've had a TBI and PTSD, and never would've self medicated with drugs, never would've become a junkie thief, and never would've eventually overdosed and died. I think it's blind priviledge for males living in areas where police are less than 10 minutes away (or where there is low crime) to say "let's get rid of guns / lets make efforts to restrict access to guns for everyone."
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Fallom posted:Law enforcement is already collecting information on right wing terrorists and refusing to do anything with it so addressing that does seem like a good step I outlined reasons why it was difficult. I never stated it was intolerable. Use your strawman arguments somewhere else. It *is* difficult. What I said would be bad is if we had enough agents and intel resources to follow everyone on a watchlist. Why? Because that would mean we're living in a literal dystopian police state spending probably what we're spending on defense now, on spying on Americans on watchlists. Even now those watchlists are secret and they're full of errors. Plus, I don't know about you, but I think the Executive has more than enough power as it is. I for one don't want to expand executive power just for the next GOP President to come in and infiltrate and spy on left wing groups even more than they already do now. I WISH we had a president that empowered the FBI to infiltrate and take down these white supremacist groups. But even if we did, those groups would need to do something illegal before we could arrest them.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Police infrastructure in small towns is trash, and won't improve until state/federal tax money gets to them. A police response time of 20-45 minutes is common in rural areas.
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Eej posted:It's remarkable that the world outside of the USA is a wasteland of women getting raped and the children and elderly being mugged and murdered every day because they don't have guns to protect themselves Sure, compare apples to grapefruits if you want. But they're [edit: see above post - "they're" meaning many European countries or NZ or Aus, as those are the ones most often brought up in these debates) different cultures who are way less violent than we are because they have 1) largely homogeneous populations, 2) univeral healthcare, 3) way better access to mental healthcare, 4) maternity leave, 5) way less economic inequality, 6) more hope for a career or upward mobility, or hope for a decent life, 7) almost all of them offer free college or university, and 8) on average, all of them have better education systems than we do (K-12). Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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FrozenVent posted:Tell me more about 1) Oh gently caress off, stop implying that poo poo. What I'm saying is that majority populations almost always tend to view the minority as an other, and that because of that, the minority is going to be ostracized, discriminated against, or even ethnically cleansed or be erased by genocide. More homogeneous populations tend to have less conflict. If a country is all Catholic, guess what? Less religious conflict. Introduce Protestants, and there's going to be conflict. Look at Northern Ireland for fucks sake. Kosovo. Sudan. Syria. Iraq. Turkey. All of those have more conflict due to religious, sectarian, or ethnic reasons. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Aug 4, 2019 |
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Defenestrategy posted:I've come around on Gun Control. Nice pull. Aliens is one of the best
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Everything you said before this I completely loving ignored. Like what? What can you charge the assholes posting on Stormfront with? What can you charge most of the assholes open carrying and marching for white supremacy and/or for Trump (obviously besides the ones that hit or beat up counter protestors)? Marching for stupid poo poo is legal. You want those loving psychos to be the only ones armed?
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Eej posted:USA: 14.4% immigrant population, 27.6% non white population Bored As gently caress posted:Sure, compare apples to grapefruits if you want. But they're [edit: see above post - "they're" meaning many European countries or NZ or Aus, as those are the ones most often brought up in these debates) different cultures who are way less violent than we are because they have 1) largely homogeneous populations, 2) univeral healthcare, 3) way better access to mental healthcare, 4) maternity leave, 5) way less economic inequality, 6) more hope for a career or upward mobility, or hope for a decent life, 7) almost all of them offer free college or university, and 8) on average, all of them have better education systems than we do (K-12). Please read numbers 2 through 8. Golly gee wiz, complicated problems are mutifaceted and have so many causes and contributing factors! Wowee! It's almost as if lots of guns vs not a lot of guns ISN'T the only difference between these countries!
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BigDave posted:Hey so remember that trade war with China we invented because the Republicans decided that everything Trump thinks = reality? Stocks are taking a dive. Mine and my parent's 401Ks took a huge poo poo today. If the racism, concentration camps, white supremacy, losing our allies, and general dumbfuckery won't make people stop supporting him, maybe him loving the economy in the rear end because he still doesn't understand what the gently caress a trade deficit means, maybe that will finally get more people to stop supporting him.
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A Bad Poster posted:Incels can be anyone, not getting laid isn't necessarily tied to a political ideology. He also shot his sisters boyfriend (who was wounded). He may have meant to kill them both.
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psydude posted:Mike Mullen has had enough. Mike Mullen can go gently caress himself.
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egyptian rat race posted:https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1159586743793811456 Seems to me like this guy deserves a lot closer scrutiny by the police and FBI. Unfortunately (since they can't arrest him), as it reads, he didn't commit any crime. So loving creepy that he was wearing gloves, though. What the gently caress?
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More info on that rear end in a top hat who threatened that immigrant center https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/armed-trump-supporter-detained-released-el-paso-immigrant-center-n1040626 quote:An armed Trump supporter was detained and released by police Wednesday outside a community space for immigrants in El Paso, Texas, days after a mass shooting that killed 22 people at a Walmart in the border town. As it reads, at least in my jurisdiction, he'd be arrested for Menacing and Harassment. Looks like even in Texas it'd be Harassment: quote:According to Texas Penal Code Section 42.07, a person committing harassmentmust have an intent to “harass, annoy, alarm, abuse, torment or embarrass” another person. quote:A person commits Assault by Threat if he or she intentionally or knowingly threatens another person with imminent bodily injury. In this context, the term “bodily injury” means anything that causes pain, even if it does not leave a mark.[1] The threat can be verbal or non-verbal.[2] The base level offense for Assault by Threat is a class C misdemeanor, the lowest level of criminal offense in Texas Hopefully El Paso PD detectives are just taking statements and getting video footage so they can arrest this piece of poo poo.
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God loving damnit that piece of poo poo needed to talk. We live in a hell universe. Think about how many people aren't known even in those documents. We have no idea how many rich and powerful people abused those kids. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but holy gently caress that looks suspicious. How was he not on suicide watch? HOW?
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Suicide Watch posted:The guy preyed on the academic and intellectual elite though–I could see pre-2008 going to a fundraiser or event with him, and then leading to a flight on his private jet and getting coerced into weird massage stuff, but post-2008 there's really no excuse, people have had to know. Holy poo poo those two crazy cunts in that first story have some serious issues. How the hell aren't they bankrupt from lawsuits, god only knows.
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Suicide Watch posted:Fat shaming isn't cool, YangGang I'm a fat gently caress and that kind of "fat shaming" is fine in my book. It barely registers a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10.
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DON’T CALL IT A COMEBACK: THE STAYING POWER OF THE ISLAMIC STATE Bottom Line Up Front: -- Several high-level reports published over the past few weeks reiterate what most terrorism and security analysts have been saying for months—the so-called Islamic State (IS) is alive and well in Iraq and Syria. -- Over the past several months, IS has waged a campaign of assassinations, ambushes, and suicide attacks. -- IS boasts between 14,000 and 18,000 current members and has amassed a war chest assessed at between $50 and $300 million. -- Not only is the physical manifestation of IS resurging, but the deplorable conditions are abetting the group's ability to sustain itself in the future in places like al-Hol, which fuels propaganda and recruitment. Several high-level reports published over the past few weeks reiterate what most terrorism and security analysts have been saying for months—the so-called Islamic State (IS) is alive and well in Iraq and Syria. The Lead Inspector General (IG) report to Congress on the state of Operation Inherent Resolve, combined with the United Nations Security Council report on the Islamic State, paint a bleak picture of the campaign to defeat the group in Iraq and Syria. The IG report describes how IS has reconstituted a sophisticated command-and-control network while the UN report warns explicitly of the potential for a new wave of terrorist attacks around the globe by the end of the year. The IG report, which covers the period from the beginning of April to the end of June, notes that even though IS has lost its physical caliphate, the group has still managed to reinforce its operational and organizational capabilities, while transforming into an underground guerrilla movement in Iraq and Syria. IS has been able to resurge, in large part, because U.S. partner forces, including the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) and the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), lack the training and equipment needed to combat the group. The IG report estimates that IS boasts between 14,000 and 18,000 members currently. Its vast financial reserves, assessed at between $50 and $300 million, provide it with the opportunity to reinforce franchise groups across the globe. In 2017, IS core in Iraq and Syria sent funds to militants fighting in Marawi in the Philippines. It will likely seek to do the same with its affiliates in Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, Libya, Afghanistan, West Africa, and elsewhere. The U.S. military has warned that the Islamic State Khorasan Province (ISKP), IS’s affiliate in Afghanistan, is capable of inspiring and directing attacks against Western countries, to include the United States. Over the past several months, IS has waged a campaign of assassinations, ambushes, kidnappings, and suicide attacks. Massive crop fires, which have been attributed to the group, serve as a reminder to the population that the governments in Iraq and Syria are unable to protect civilians while undermining confidence in local security forces. As chaos and instability return to areas where IS formerly governed, reconstruction and stabilization efforts will be further delayed and postponed, perhaps indefinitely. Despite President Trump's announcement in December 2018 that 'We have won against ISIS,' it is clear that the Islamic State has the ability to sustain an insurgency for the foreseeable future. This is not an issue of IS returning to Iraq and Syria—the group and its members never left. Not only is the physical manifestation of IS resurging, but the terrible conditions are abetting the group's ability to sustain itself in the future in places like al-Hol, a detention center in Syria where as many as 70,000 people are being held, most of whom are children. The UN report warns of the impact of prison radicalization and the deplorable conditions of detention camps like al-Hol, where IS is actively working to recruit new members within the camp’s large population of internally displaced persons. Without a coordinated strategy to deal with the individuals held in these camps, the cycle of violence is likely to repeat itself, thereby perpetuating extremism not just in Iraq and Syria, but in third-party nations where foreign fighters and their families ultimately seek to resettle. http://www.soufangroup.com/intelbrief-dont-call-it-a-comeback-the-staying-power-of-the-islamic-state/ If you aren't signed up for The Soufan Group's email, you should. It gives you a real look and update plus good analysis on foreign policy, international security, and domestic and international terrorism 5 days a week.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:https://twitter.com/mikesisak/status/1160887245999681536?s=19 CO pay almost universally sucks rear end. $10k bonus to transfer to NYC, lmao. With that cost of living? gently caress that. Working mandatory 16s sucks, and the commute alone for most people means you'll be able to be home for a maximum of 4 hours total - might as well just bunk at work.
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Smiling Jack posted:I don't know how it works for fed corrections but mandatory ot for city EMS and corrections is usually "hey you thought you were going home in an hour but you aren't sorry" It works similar for NYS corrections, and also for my PD. There are shifts that were so short staffed we were getting mandated for overtime 2-3 times a week each. Getting 4 hours of sleep at most in between 16s, or in between a 16 and an 8. At least at my department, we usually know about 2 hours into our 8 hr shift, unless someone calls out at the last minute. We have a couple people that commute 1.5 hrs each way, so you can see how that would suck the life out of you after a few weeks.
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Casimir Radon posted:Totally normal. So many of my former or current coworkers worked as COs either for the county, state, or NYC level. Two left NYC DOC. One left because there's so many inmates and so few COs that it's a huge officer safety issue, and he got a better job offer with city sanitation. One left because while at Rikers he was ordered by a Captain not to log the fact that the Captain and two COs were going into a Unit. If you're posted to / in charge of a Unit, you log everyone who goes in and out. Well, he didn't, because his supervisor told him not to. The Captain and the two other COs went into a prisoner's cell and beat him up because the inmate had injured another CO and put him out of work for months. Investigation happens, Captain and both COs get suspended and eventually fired. My coworker reported the incident to his higher ups (above his captain) after the incident happened. Gets out as soon as he could because every single day of work he would be mandated. And at Rikers Island, it takes a long time just to get back to your vehicle - so you're lucky if you get maybe 4 hours at home even if you live in the city. God forbid you live in Queens or Long Island, or up in Westchester, or Jersey. In so many jurisdictions, we dont pay our police officers or corrections officers enough*. They also don't get nearly enough training. And in far too many jurisdictions, they're understaffed, meaning mandatory overtime, meaning chronically tired officers, which generally means they make more mistakes, have less patience, aren't as alert, and that presents a problem from a public or inmate safety, as well as an officer safety perspective. In many jurisdictions this isn't an issue, but in the jurisdictions where it is an issue, it's a significant one that often gets overlooked. * Then again, almost everyone everywhere in the US is underpaid due to the oligarchy and late stage capitalist system we live under, so tax revenues are lower (because the wealthy corporations and the rich don't pay enough in taxes), so there's not enough local or state or federal tax revenues to increase pay for police or COs. So it's all a result of our awesome economic system. Yay capitalism.
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Woof Blitzer posted:^^^ I'm ignoring this! Everyone deserves a living wage. Minimum wage would be $22 an hour if it kept up with worker productivity. In some states or counties that would be a huge amount. In others, it wouldnt even cover the cost of rent of a 1Br apt. $15 minimum wage is a stepping stone, not the end goal. Janitors and housekeepers have to deal with bodily fluids including poo poo and vomit. God Bless them, they deserve hazard pay.
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Vasudus posted:in tech bubble news, yahoo just sold tumblr to the makers of wordpress for...3 million dollars Lmao, it lost that much value after millions of users left after Yahoo changed the TOS and stopped allowing porn. Yahoo is so loving stupid.
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Chris Cuomo's an rear end in a top hat and so is his brother, NY Gov Andrew Cuomo. However, I thought all these Chud fucks liked guys that think they're tough and puff out their chest and make threats? Thought they liked the BIGLY MANLY MEN that need to puff out their chest to reassure themselves that they're masculine tough guys.
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Brute Squad posted:a new challenger arises. As an unabashed lover of hard seltzers because they're low carb and delicious, this scares me. Am I going to have to tru Four Loko? gently caress.
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Time to set some money aside to buy some good stocks (Visa, Mastercard, Amazon, Activision-Blizzard, Apple, Disney etc) when poo poo's real low during the next recession, gents. Start saving now. Predictions are its coming within the next year to two years. Maybe if we prepare well enough we'll be lucky enough to be able to retire if poo poo doesn't go tits up between climate change, the rise of fascism, or another civil war. I'm predicting that the next recession is going to be worse than 2008.
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psydude posted:The rich have wealth managers that have already hedged their assets and secured a net short position. The people whose 401ks rely on index funds will get turbo hosed. Yup. Anyone hoping for a bad recession or a depression can get hosed. The stock market going down significantly is certainly going to impact the wealthy, but their wealth is so diversified into so many areas (bonds, different stocks, real estate, businesses, art, gold) that they will easily ride out the storm, and they will be in a perfect position to buy stuff like property and housing and stocks when the prices are really low throughout the recession. 5 years after the recession, they're more wealthy than they ever were before. The average worker is going to be hosed. Unemployment will increase dramatically, and if Trump is still in charge, they'll get little to no help. Underemployment will be an even bigger issue than it is now. The entire middle class is going to be hosed. Every state is going to be hosed. Every pension system, state retirement system, company retirement system, individual 401k, 403b, is going to be hosed for 10+ years after. State pension systems are still recovering from the 2008 Financial Crisis. Benefits, safety nets, and public services will be slashed across the country. It will not be a fun time.
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I'm pretty sure he means that everyone at the ranch goes through the $40k of weed a month. Probably a lot of people. Probably a lot of Tyson's friends coming for visits and such, too.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/politics/assault-weapons-ban-fox-news-poll-gun-control/index.html I'd love to see that same poll after the respondents were told exactly what an "assault weapon" is, what it consists of, and what it wouldn't ban. A Mini-14 or Mini-30 can do just as much damage as an AR15 yet it's not an assault weapon.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:You had me up until here. I’m ok with some dumbass who leaves guns lying around in plain view or not securing them adequately getting held accountable after they got stolen, but what about someone whose durable wall-mounted safe gets taken (along with a chunk of wall), therefore allowing the thieves all the time in the world to cut into it and defeat any other measures they may have in place? Would Person 2 deserve to be held to the same standard as the first? According to most gun banners, yes, because Person 2 committed the sin of owning guns in the first place and LOL PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF A GUN IS A HUGE PUBLIC RISK AUTOMATICALLY ONCE YOU TAKE OWNERSHIP OF ONE
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ZombieApostate posted:How do we not have a strawman emote? Fallom posted:This but unironically. See? I'm not talking out of my rear end. I've had MANY conversations with people who say poo poo like that. Many anti gun organizations want to demonize gun ownership, and they've literally said they want guns to go the way of cigarettes in terms of public image, increased regulation, etc. Many anti gun people argue that more guns = more crime. Many also say they want to treat gun violence as a public health issue. The natural end of that argument is that any ownership of any firearm, even if it's a safe queen that never sees the light of day, or gets shot 15 times at the beginning of hunting season, automatically increases the danger to the public in the area.
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