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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Ratjaculation posted:

Labour polled higher in every age group under 60 in 2017 iirc.

The issue isn't class, its age. We are stuck in a Tory hell because boomers had it so tough!!!

Boomers talking about how they had it so hard when university was affordable, houses were affordable, jobs had actual security, and they could retire at an age where their body still worked is my favourite thing. But we have smartphones so who needs guaranteed hours at work?

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Junior G-man posted:

I know bits of this thing have been posted before, but you gotta read the whole intro piece of the Corbyn Economy five-article thing the FT is doing. It's all bangers :fap:

I could literally bold the whole thing but will try not to.


For all the lovely keywords 'Trotskyist', 'Marxist' etc. etc. this isn't a bad writeup of his program, and the FT - for all its built-in ideology - does a fair job of talking about it.

If there's interest I'll post the other ones as they come out?

Tah for posting this, given me a lot of positivity about Labour which has been lacking of late. They really do best when they bang on about policies, especially policies poo poo not related to loving Brexit.

Hard chuckle at right to buy for private tenants, that's loving genius.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Junior G-man posted:

loving Christ. I feel for you man. Long commutes are one of the things I absolutely flat-out refuse to do; it's just so much dead, wasted time.

Commute for my last job was only 2 hours each way but longer if you include waiting around between shift end and bus arriving. Actually if I was on the wrong shift I'd end up waiting for about 90 minutes between connections on the way home. This despite the office only being 20 miles away.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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coffeetable posted:

keep in mind corbs will only have a chance of implementing that manifesto if he ends up with a landslide. minority gov or even a slim majority won't cut it; there'll be solid opposition from the tories/libs/snp and a host of labour rebels

Yes yes, keep your facts & reason out of this, I'm being given something to be optimistic about for the first time in what feels like an eternity

Barry Foster posted:

TBF AoF suffers from major depression, and speaking from experience that makes everything boring, including hobbies.

Yeah, but I'd rather be bored at home staring at the wall than being bored making some other oval office money.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Miftan posted:

So 2 of my friends run a Crumpet Bar in Tel Aviv. Its essentially a bar selling booze, Pimm's (which is impossible to get in Israel) and crumpets with fancy toppings. Like, beef and mash and poo poo. The menu is all named for famous bits and their veggie option is called the Jeremy Corbyn.

Bold naming a meal after history's greatest antisemitic monster. And in Israel at that. Appalling

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Vlex posted:

I can only find the menu in Hebrew online, I'd love to know which other personages are featured and their corresponding toppings.

They offer The Miftan, which is a crumpet with a chocolate spread made by melting down a Terry's Chocolate Orange.


Huh, thought they already had a sad little pet in the shape of Harry Cole.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Communist Bear posted:

Does this mean Larry the Cat is screwed?

Think the Bullingdon mob prefer dead pigs to dead cats as far as these things go.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Whole day off so I could be around for the plumber to arrive because there's some problem with a leak in the pipe between the oil tank and the central heating system and apparently that's a job for the plumber? I dunno, was just told he'd arrive first thing and now it's 3:30 and I could have gone to slept for 2 hours longer, gone to town and back for some shopping and done all the dishes in the time I've been waiting. It's balls.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Tesseraction posted:

I'm assuming it's more like *ding dong* "awww gently caress gently caress gently caress my hands are covered in suds and gravy" *rinses hands, hurriedly dries hands, runs to the front door in time to see van drive away with angry plumber*

No, it's definitely more just me finding a half-excuse to procrastinate about doing the dishes and then pretending it's inconvenient to me because having a moan is fun.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Vlex posted:

Such a result would imply the SNP taking all but seven seats in Scotland. I wonder which.

I guess the real question is, though, would the LDs genuinely go into coalition with a No-deal Tory government?

edit: wait hang on where's BXP?

My entirely uneducated guess is that Labour lose all their seats except Ian Murray's in Edinburgh, Edinburgh South I think. Liberals retain Orkney and Shetland and probably Swinson's East Dunbartonshire, maybe one other. Tories hold their 2 seats in the Borders and probably something in the North East like one of the Aberdeenshire seats, or both or Moray.

But I've not exactly looked at swings or anything, this is just all from memory. But aye, dinnae have high hopes for Labour in Scotland, and even the Tory collapse probably won't be as severe as you'd hope for.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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AceOfFlames posted:

Inaction is better than failure. Low expectations are better than disappointment. Loss aversion is better than risky victory.

These have been my mottos for the past decade. Terrible ones, painful ones but they have shielded me from even more pain than what I have now. Live your life in managed decline because that's how the world will go.

If you live your life like that you give yourself little opportunity to be proven wrong. Better to try to make things better and fail than stick your head up your own backside and moan about the smell of poo poo.

Jesus Christ, I'm a severely depressed extreme pessimist and even I get that you need a little hope in life to keep going.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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AceOfFlames posted:

My therapist ended my process in which even she recommended I go see someone else with "I am going to write to your GP that you are feeling better". Now I don't know if that can be a basis for my insurance to gently caress me over if I go somewhere else.

If you're not going to actually open up to your therapist about how loving desolate and empty you are its a waste of your time.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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AceOfFlames posted:

I loving did. I believe I mentioned several times how one time I even explicitly told her about how I believe the world is irreversably hosed, society will collapse and I am just waiting for every one who cares about me to die so I can kill myself and she merely looked at me blank faced and asked "In that case, why are you even in therapy?"

What did you say? Because it sounds like something asked to provoke an honest response along the lines of "because I don't want to feel like this anymore"?

But if you were/are getting nothing out of it you should be looking for a referral to a different therapist. Because I'm telling you that you need help. Desperately, urgently.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Junior G-man posted:

Thanks, Guardian liveblog, for letting me know that Cuminic Dommins has arrived at work. Thanks as well for talking about his outfit and adding some pictures.

I'm informed now.

Now you've been informed can you please donate to The Guardian Media Group so we can continue paying Nick Cohen and Polly Toynbee and Suzanne Moore and Andrew Lawnsley and bunch of other melty twats?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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ukle posted:

This can't be right

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1168820548232777728

If so the FTPA has to be the worst piece of legislation ever drafted.

Not really, the FTPA was basically just to make it hard for the coalition of 2010 to collapse prematurely. Parliament is and always has been sovereign and if it wants to call a general election all you've ever needed was a majority of one. But generally it's going to have to be the government to push that bill. All it takes is a simple majority to overturn the FTPA permanently anyway, this way is just lower effort.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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AceOfFlames posted:

That's essentially what she said. But how the hell is that supposed to help? At best you sound like you are calling your patient a liar at worst you sound like an utter psychopath.

It's meant to help because therapy only works if you are willing to engage. And if you're deeply buried in a hole of your own making, be it "for protection" or any other reason, you're not going to engage. So the first step is forcing you to admit that there is a tiny part of you that still has the capacity for hope and optimism or else you'd not be wasting your own time in this potentially unpleasant and even traumatic endeavour. And yes, therapy can be traumatic at first. Sometimes you have to confront something horrible before you can move on and "get better" for want of a better term. That's not psychopathic and while I don't think it's calling you a liar, I do think it's entirely fair for a therapist to call you out if you are deluding yourself. That's not passing judgement on your lying to yourself but you can't move on if you believe something patently false like how you're better just surrendering to the despair than kicking back against the pricks.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Useful reminder that you should join Labour Against Private Schools and get your local CLP to pass their motion to get the issue debated at conference.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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For those of you who don't check CSPAM, there's a thread with one of those silly little leftist political compass style quiz where they ask you 70-odd questions before concluding if you're a tankie or a succdem

Because it's important to know if we the thread has been as properly radicalised towards anarchism as it sometimes feels like.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Chuka Umana posted:

I thought I was the only non Trotskyist who posted in this thread?

loving hell, no, no, no, no, no this is wrong and insulting. You can tell there's no Trots in this thread because every third post isn't someone trying to sell you their newspaper.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Guavanaut posted:



Some of the questions suffer from a problem of purity, like "Reforming capitalist society to achieve better rights for workers is desirable." It is desirable over going lolbertarian and not doing that, but it's not sustainable or the end of the process.

Others suffer from problems of definition, like "Socialism can only be fully achieved in developed industrialized societies." Marxist socialism, yeah sure, but hunter-gatherer tribal socialism? I agree that you can't truly have feudal-era agriculturalism and socialism though. Quiet Gerrard.

Others suffer from problems of degree, like "It is acceptable for humanity to suffer to some notable extent in order to preserve the natural ecosystem." are we talking stubbed toes or smallpox, or "Some small scale destruction of nature is acceptable if it notably benefits humanity." like I do agree that houses should exist, but disagree with mass deforestation for burgers.

"People of similar cultures should unite in federations or confederations." set off my alt-right alarm.

Please don't accuse us of being sex offenders.

Hi-five Council Communist buddy!

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Chuka Umana posted:

why does no one care that dennis skinner supports brexit?

Because Brexit isn't the only thing in British politics. Dennis Skinner is good on most things. Kate Hoey is trash on most things. Also Dennis Skinner would stay in the EU if he knew voting to stay in the EU would bring down Boris's government & you can't say that about Hoey.

Chuka Umana posted:

I have noticed that pretty much all the left opposition to the EU has gone away since the referendum. I was expecting a lot of old school leftists to oppose the EU.

It's not gone away. Mostly it's just muted because most left wing anti-EU people are deeply sceptical of a Tory Brexit being anything other than a total dismantling of the limited workers rights & protections we get from the EU. The complaints are still there but there's little loving point talking about why we need to reform the EU quite drastically if we're not going to be in it in 2 months time.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Failed Imagineer posted:



Hope I passed the audition...

Really seems like the only obvious choice, given the way the statements are framed

So the way my results were broken down was Council Communism, then Next Closes matches were Eco-Anarchism: 99.8%, Anarcho-Communism: 98%, Eco-Marxism: 76.4%. And then at the bottom is Marxist-Leninism with 0% because I'm a good lad.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Much the same but with 2% M-L. Out, damned spot!

You mother loving tankie!

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Chuka Umana posted:

Labour-SNP coalition

Remember on forums when people would do the thing about posting "in" to make it known they were waiting for the reaction to something silly someone said?

This is me, waiting for Jedit to inevitable post pointing out his take that actually the SNP want eternal Tory government and hard Brexit for Scottish nationalist reasons.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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That Italian Guy posted:

I'm about to get on a plane at the worst loving moment.

Dunno about that, probably the worst time to get on a plane is just before it crashes.

UnlimitedSpessmans posted:

One of the best accents

Blackford? Naw. Edinbuggers sound like twats. Only good east coat accent is Aberdonian. SNP MP with the best accent is Angus MacNeil from the Western Isles.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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This is really ruddy brilliant. Even by the low expectations I have for the dishonest Liberals, good loving Christ, letting someone like that in is shocking. TinTower, come out of your hideyhole to try to dismiss this absolute loving shambles.

Flayer posted:

The Tory MP defecting to the Lib Dems doesn't make it even in Parliament, it puts the Tory/DUP alliance into a minority government of -1.

Only technically, because there's at least 1, maybe 2 Tory MPs who lost the whip but would still vote with the Tories because they are cunts.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Sanitary Naptime posted:

There is no good East Coast accent, it's a myth.


Someone from Keith talking about bonnie quines will never not be awesome to me.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Private Speech posted:

I'd hold off on ripping into the lib dems until things settle down a bit TBH.

Okay, not that what's said in the thread matters, but in general.

Nah, gently caress that, this is a loving homophobe. Total regressive. I don't expect liberals to care about poor people, but LGBTQ+?

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Sep 3, 2019

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Guto Bebb is just on the BBC News saying he doesn't believe trust the Prime Minister. A Tory MP LOL

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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freeasinbeer posted:

Man is the Jam man really looking down the barrel of losing 45 seats if a GE was held?

That’s uhhhhh, not great.

It's fairly grim. But polling in the UK isn't necessarily that reliable as it's really not done at a constituency level. The potential swing would be bad but polling in 2017 was way out so all we can do is hope that once campaign law kicks in and the news legal has to give Labour a fair go it'll correct.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Peter Bone trying a dumb procedural trick to stop the action.

Fails obviously because Peter Bone is a moron

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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This is why I tune into Parliament Live TV, to hear someone talk about the Pearly Way

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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bump_fn posted:

is there a vote tonight

Yes, the debate probably starts just before 7 and the vote probably won't be until between 9 & 10. So basically come back in 3 hours to find out the result, unless you're a moron like me who has Parliament on in the background while about to play Hearts of Iron

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Nuclear Spoon posted:

is this philp guy filibustering. philperbustering

No, this is a separate order.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Tom Peck in being right shocker

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Well, I've apparently got a 30 minute limit on watching parliament before I want to rip out my eardrums so I guess I'll come back in a couple hours


That'd certainly be nice.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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frumpykvetchbot posted:

how is it even possible that Mogg lived to adulthood.

His dad's a Catholic so didn't believe in abortion. Unfortunately.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Good line from the thread's favourite drunk aunt on Channel 4 News

https://twitter.com/DrFrancesRyan/status/1168951906200367104?s=20

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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jabby posted:

Labour can plausibly say they want the anti-no-deal bill to pass all stages, go to the Lords and return to the Commons for final reading before they'll vote for an election.

Also when did Corbyn go into stand-up?

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1168941871118393345

I've seen worse sets on Live At The Apollo.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Dead Goon posted:

Is Ken drunk?

I mean, you'd sort of have to be to cope with listening to all these droning old farts

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