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Halloween Jack posted:

In real life, being slammed onto your neck will definitely cripple or kill you, but wrestling logic m'man.

It was cool because it was a gimmick change that worked for the character, the gimmick caught lightning in a bottle with regard to the 90s zeitgeist, and the company was committed to building it.

There won't be another Dark 90s ~~Grunge~~ Goth Gimmick because it's not the 90s anymore. But to do it again, you'd have to come up with a similarly timely gimmick, then have the patience to build up a star by having them appear often enough to maintain interest, without ever wrestling or even speaking, for like 10 months. Then, if you want to surpass WCW, you'd have to not completely gently caress up the blowoff.

The quiet climate change avenger.

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 05:39

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Armmmmmmbar.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2019 01:41

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Micasa and Scoops for all the latest info.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2019 14:36

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TheKingslayer posted:

Anyone else ever wear their Bullet Club shirts out and have gun nuts come talk to you about well... guns? I wore my Halloween one out to a Halloween themed dog shelter charity and one guy in a "Don't Tread On Me" shirt decided I was his kinda people.

Should�ve worn a Pancake Power shirt.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2019 15:54

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Gavok posted:

This will always be my favorite one. It's just so well done and is one of those special wrestling moments where poo poo is hosed due to real life and they pull out a gem with their backs to the wall.

For those who haven't seen it, the storyline was that Randy Savage and the Ultimate Warrior had a face vs. face title match at SummerSlam, which was ruined by Ric Flair and his "executive consultant" Mr. Perfect (who hadn't wrestled since the previous SummerSlam). Flair beat Savage for the title shortly after... which he then lost to Bret Hart, taking the belt out of the story. Savage and Warrior became a tag team based on being over-the-top lunatics in silly sunglasses and were set to face Flair and Razor Ramon (who was new to the company and was getting a brief main event heel push) at Survivor Series.

A couple weeks before the PPV, Warrior quit WWF. Or was fired for using human growth hormone. Whatever. He was off the show. The only silver lining was that his last segment was using his body to shield Savage from a beatdown, which at least wrote him off in kayfabe.

They had all the Superstars and Wrestling Challenge episodes taped. All they had to work with to pivot the story was Prime Time Wrestling, which at the time was just about Vince McMahon, Bobby Heenan, Mr. Perfect, Jim Duggan and Hillbilly Jim discussing storylines and showing clips from house shows. They dedicated one episode to basically rebuilding their big Survivor Series match by having Savage appear via satellite to say that he wanted Mr. Perfect to be his partner. Heenan, Flair, Razor and even Perfect laughed their asses off at this idea. Perfect and Flair were buds! Perfect was in Flair's corner! Why the hell would Perfect be his opponent?

But as the two hours continued, cracks started to show. Flair's confidence started to get a little out of hand and he went from saying Perfect wouldn't take him on to saying Perfect couldn't take him on. Savage made it apparent that he respected Perfect and wondered why he was stuck on the sidelines. Perfect started to question it himself, all while Flair and Heenan insisted on talking for him. Was it in his best interest to be the "executive consultant" or was it just a way for Flair to keep one of his greatest potential threats under his thumb?

Then when it came time for Perfect to give his answer, Heenan tried to control him and bit off more than he could chew. It finally pushed Perfect into siding with Savage, which made Heenan slap him out of anger and immediately grovel upon realizing what he did. Perfect humiliated Heenan to end the show and that one episode of Prime Time sold a Warriorless PPV.

Then we got Perfect vs. Flair, in what was probably the first truly great match in Raw history.

This and the video were great, but why was Perfect out for a year? Legit injury?

# ¿ Jan 6, 2020 03:15

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Low Desert Punk posted:

has alberto el patron ever had a great match?

I enjoyed the Christmas match where John Cena threw a bowling ball at his nuts.

# ¿ Jan 10, 2020 23:50

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rujasu posted:

The main thing I remember about it was that it was short. It was obvious right away that the crowd wasn't interested in Sting as a heel and they rolled it back like a month later.

So a big question is, if Sting had been the third man of the nWo instead of Hulk, how well would that (and the nWo by extension) have gone over? I�ll bet if it had happened that way, the nWo would never have been as big as it was, and who knows if the whole attitude era would�ve happened.

I�m sure someone somewhere has written this up as a what if.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2020 23:47

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rujasu posted:

Heenan could still get a laugh every now and then though.

Mandatory repost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afNOqwJrT8s

# ¿ Feb 13, 2020 23:33

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BrigadierSensible posted:

I am not as up on my wrestling history, (both recent and otherwise), as I should be.

My question is: Is there a precedent for what Vince tried to do with Roman Reigns?

i.e. A promoter continually trying to push someone as a main eventer when they are not over enough/the crowd actively rejecting the push, (getting booed standing next to the Rock)? I am not talking about a Jeff Jarrett style push where someone is pushed above their level of overness/ability. More about a promoter/company going "THIS is the guy you love! I don't care how much you are booing/apathetic, this is the guy I will force you to love." etc.

Rocky Maivia got death threats.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2020 02:07

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NikkolasKing posted:

My understanding is that Reigns was over and was talented but was pushed too hard and fast. He sounds a lot like Diesel in 1995. We all know Kevin Nash can be a popular star but not in the way Vince booked him. Vince seems to have one idea for his Top Guy and he wants to force everyone into it, even if it prevents the would-be Top Guy from getting over like they should.

Speaking of Roman, I've always wondered about how many women like wrestling. I'm told it's rather high. Bryan in a Retro show from early last year talks about how you don't hear the women screaming for the male stars like they used to every time Jeff Hardy took off his shirt. Roman seemed to be the last big female draw but hen he got sick for a good while and the women stopped screaming.

His theory was that women come to see studly men and not because of the women's revolution. I wonder if there's any way to confirm this.

My future wife and I went to a Thunder taping in Baton Rouge in the late 90s. At some point they pulled down Ric Flair's trunks so that his bare rear end was in view of us all.

She was repulsed.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2020 04:11

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BrigadierSensible posted:

Now we know the many and varied occasions where WWE has hosed up on a wrestler that was supposedly was fool-proof and unfuckupable.

But has there been an instance of the opposite? Where WWE took someone who everybody thought was a charismaless lunk with no wrestling skill, and turned them into someone fun to watch.

Also given WCW also wasted multiple people, did they ever do the opposite.

Gillberg?

# ¿ Mar 29, 2020 21:30

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Zoobtro posted:

https://twitter.com/LanceStorm/status/1308444031723081728

This tweet just gave me a nostalgia burst that made me come here. Can anyone fill me in on what happened to any of the famous Scoopsters of the early 2000s IWC? The Scott Keiths, Rajahs, Scotsmen (goon!) & Chris Hyattes and so many more I'll never remember. I visited these old wrestling sites daily and printed out reams of paper of news & columns from places like rajah, scoopthis, onlineonslaught, 411, lethalwrestling and so many more i can't name but can see the frontpage of in my head. Any info on where any of these sites or people went would be fun to read

CRZ is at https://crz.net/ and on Twitter: https://twitter.com/crz?s=21

# ¿ Sep 22, 2020 20:36

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MJeff posted:

I heard DG also does "you must join this faction if you lose" stips, that's pretty cool and creative too.

And that kids is how the nWo B-team was formed.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2020 23:32

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I think O&A did XFL pregame or something.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2020 21:23

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Coaaab posted:

Has there ever been an angle where an underdog wins the title but is struggling to lug it around because of its heft?

Didn�t Daniel Bryan say in his book that because of his shoulders at the time, doing the YES chant with both belts really was hard to do?

# ¿ Oct 26, 2020 12:14

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sk posted:

why does dexter lumis look like michael cole's face on heidenreich's body?

More like a young Stunning Steve with a mustache.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2020 21:14

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Nystral posted:

What do they do with the vanity belts that are no longer in use? Like the weed belt or the smoking skull belt?

And where is the million dollar belt now anyway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pnwqhUm3Rc

# ¿ Oct 27, 2020 00:01

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BrigadierSensible posted:

Del Rio, (although a scummy bastard out of the ring), had really REALLY good facial expressions. Whether they were the mentioned smug heel smile, or his "oh poo poo, I poked the bear and am now about to get my arse kicked" chicken poo poo heel faces.

Who are others that had good facial expressions in the ring. (Not counting "peoples Eyebrow" facial catchphrase-style stuff)

Hulk Hogan

# ¿ Nov 1, 2020 04:53

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BrigadierSensible posted:

So I just finished reading Mick Foley's novel Tietam Brown. It was pretty good for a wrestler penned novel.

I have also read 2 of his autobiographies, (Haven't read Hardcore Diaries or his Santa book), and thought they were kind of cool. I read Bret Hart's autobiography and found it hugely disappointing, (he comes across as a precious, humourless crybaby who simultaeneously brags about knowing that wrestling is a "work", but in the next breath will whinge that he has to lose to someone. Jericho's first book is another one I read and liked.

My question is, what are the good, (or bad), wrestling books that more informed people than me could recommend

I enjoyed the Nitro book too. Reading the Bret Hart one now.

# ¿ Nov 4, 2020 19:35

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Hedgehog Pie posted:

Vince signs Goldberg in 2001 but it's just to say WHO'S NEXT to people as they enter the casino.

That�s a good way to keep the buffet line moving.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2020 22:20

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Shard posted:

I was thinking the other day how wild it is that The Rock was able to get his eyebrow over. What are some of the strangest things that wrestlers have gotten over?

a sock hidden in the wrestler's own pants

# ¿ Dec 13, 2020 01:57

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Shard posted:

I was thinking the other day how wild it is that The Rock was able to get his eyebrow over. What are some of the strangest things that wrestlers have gotten over?

what

# ¿ Dec 13, 2020 03:05

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Pope Corky the IX posted:

I just imagine Brock punching through the surface of a frozen pond and pulling out a massive trout or something.

And then suplexing it.

# ¿ Dec 29, 2020 17:54

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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:

How many people have pinned Undertaker clean? With no interference, weapons or misc horseplay. Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar and Great Khali all have clean pins on him. Angle also has a submission win over Undertaker as well. Does anybody else?

Roman Reigns.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2021 13:29

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JOHN CENA posted:

some leaked marketing material showed they were playing around with just using the nitro branding.

That specific WCW logo is still awful.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2021 20:38

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Kosmo Gallion posted:

The WCW World title during 2000.

Bret (26 days)
Vacant
Benoit (1 Day)
Vacant
Sid (1 Day)
Nash (1 Day)
Sid (77 Days)
Vacant
Jarrett (8 days)
DDP (1 Day)
David Arquette (12 Days)
Jarrett (8 Days)
Flair (7 Days)
Vacant
Jarrett (1 Day)
Nash (6 days
Flair (1 Day)
Jarrett (41 Days)
Booker T (50 Days)
Nash (20 Days)
Booker T (8 Days)
Russo (7 Days)
Vacant
Booker T (55 Days)
Scott Steiner (120 Days)

At least David Arquette had a longer reign than Russo.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2021 16:43

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Red posted:

The weird thing is, outside of whenever he lead DX, when did anyone ever watch WWE because of HHH? There was, to me, little to no point in ever getting interested in his feuds, because you knew how it was going to turn out. His stuff was particularly entertaining, because he was never going to be funny, and he was always going to be portrayed as a huge badass.

And the one time I wanted to see him wrestle, it was that match with Eddie where he was pissed about being drafted to SmackDown!, and the match was interrupted.

I wanted to see Daniel Bryan kick his rear end in 2014, but it's a valid point.

Plus his Wrestlemania entrances were so over the top that they're funny.

# ¿ Apr 28, 2021 18:40

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smikey posted:

tbf it was always a great looking belt

1. Winged Eagle
2. Big Gold belt
3. All others

# ¿ Apr 28, 2021 20:56

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El Gallinero Gros posted:

Take is legit apparently afraid of cukes according to Paul Bearer

Wait, what???

# ¿ May 7, 2021 18:52

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Sandman McMahon posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBNMwTzbnvY

Red posted:

Bearer has gotten him to throw up as a result of seeing/touching them.

El Gallinero Gros posted:

I don't know why but Paul said in a shoot video he did that he sliced some cukes and put them in the purple gloves Take used to wear. When he discovered them, he ran to the washroom and puked.

Well I'll be damned, I never heard that before. Everybody's got their thing, I guess.

# ¿ May 7, 2021 19:38

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RC and Moon Pie posted:

Stu had a bit of celebrity status in the Calgary Herald, especially with the size of the family. The Herald ran a few pictures of the whole brood and at least once a year had a story mentioning how many there were. All the stories are consistent and with little gap between the kids, there is pretty much no chance Stu and Helen had another kid no one knew about.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of them - especially Owen - or one of the Hart dungeon wrestlers came up with a ghost/feral Hart to mess with unsuspecting persons.

Did Helen ever tell Stu to put his drat pants on and leave her alone for once?

# ¿ May 9, 2021 23:00

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1glitch0 posted:

Having learned only weeks ago from this thread that the Sharpshooter was branded for Bret Hart (apparently 30 years wasn't long enough for me to put 2+2 together) and Sting called it the Scorpion Death Lock what exactly is the actual name for that move? Surely people used it before Bret and Sting.

Yeah, the whole Hitman/Sharpshooter made me go :aaaaa:

as well. Who knew wrestling had layers?

# ¿ May 12, 2021 18:37

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Am I the only one who would just prefer one World's champion in a Federation? None of this Universal crap. One major belt, one mid-major belt, a tag team championship, and maybe a TV belt. Having a separate Men's/Women's version is understandable but I just think two heavyweight championships just dilute each other.

# ¿ May 12, 2021 18:41

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Ganso Bomb posted:

Have you considered the similar layers in the nickname The Excellence of Execution?

The best there is!

# ¿ May 12, 2021 18:42

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Admiral Joeslop posted:

Have there been many tag teams that broke up and both members became successful solo?

The Mega-Powers

The Shield

# ¿ May 15, 2021 22:03

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Maxwell Lord posted:

Another problem I think is that WWE, historically, hasn't really been able to book a dominant heel well (which is part of what's made their recent programming so baffling). They have a natural inclination towards the dominant babyface- Hogan, Austin, Cena, etc. That's their comfort zone, a hero who faces a number of challenges but is always The Guy.

Like having HHH as a major heel whom a babyface has to overcome, sort of like a video game boss, that feels like where he would have worked best. But they made him the Ace while still being a dick and yeah.

Would you consider Brock as a dominant heel?

# ¿ May 16, 2021 00:50

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Kosmo Gallion posted:

Rude and Hennig were such a good act, they really didn't need to be a part of the NWO.

Pretty much everyone got into the nWo at one point, except for Goldberg and DDP. Hell, even Sting joined nWo Wolfpac.

# ¿ May 16, 2021 17:09

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Hirez posted:

Is there an origin to Bret wearing neon pink? I don't think I've ever seen it discussed but it's so iconic. Was it just Vince and Co. getting in on the Neon craze in the 80's? Certainly a bold choice in that era

That plus pink hearts just make sense.

# ¿ May 24, 2021 22:31

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Vagabundo posted:

Yeah, HBK and the Outsiders in the nWo could have been big money, but there's no telling how sustainable it would have been. WCW was also busily putting in place various reasons why people would turn away from the promotion within a few months of their most successful PPV.

In all likelihood, WCW would absolutely have squandered HBK, like they squandered everything else.

Is an eventual WCW Hogan/HBK match as bouncy as their SummerSlam one?

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 05:39

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sticklefifer posted:

Which is extra stupid because Ric's actually something like a 22x or 23x champ if you count up all of the NWA>WCW>WWF title reigns.

Have they ever figured out who has the most world title reigns (not counting length of the reign) or is it just one of those "we'll never really know" questions?

# ¿ Jun 1, 2021 20:51

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