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I think people kinda have the wrong impression - the main character isn't a blank state sort of character where you can customise your character. He isn't Mike Thornton from Alpha Protocol. He's a guy who wakes up after having some kind of insane nervous breakdown/drunkenness/drugs/religious/??? experience and has an opportunity to try and pick up the pieces and maybe reinvent himself. Your background exists and is very much fixed, the question is what you do with it. I see what DE is trying to do as distinct from say, Planescape/AP because Planescape/AP was essentially an empowerment fantasy. From the demo, you can't ever really *not* be a fuckup in DE, but you can be an affable fuckup or a belligerent one. Fangz fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Sep 30, 2019 |
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Sep 30, 2019 11:22
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CottonWolf posted:I would argue that the Nameless One is a fuckup whatever you do too. The whole point is that you can't escape your past fuckups. Even from the design document, the point of TNO is that you are literally the most important character in the multiverse and your every whim determines the future of universes. In Disco Elysium, it's a major challenge to recover both of your shoes and you have to decide whether you have the courage to look in the mirror.
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Sep 30, 2019 11:52
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CottonWolf posted:From the trailer, you can still be the greatest detective who ever lived, so... They're both RPG protagonists. There's a pretty distinct difference here. UrbicaMortis posted:I'm curious how your relationship with your partner will unfold. In Planescape the companions who knew previous iterations of the Nameless One understood he couldn't remember them because of magic, so it makes sense they roll with it. From the demo, the dynamic I had was that your partner is clearly more competent (at least in some respects) than you, but he's a member of an ethnic minority in the location of the game, and thus subject to suspicion and prejudice. He's reliant on you for his own professional standing as someone with notionally more experience and better connections, and so inclined to cut you a bit of slack by default. A major part of my demo play through was sort of trying to do right by him and kinda failing. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Sep 30, 2019 |
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Sep 30, 2019 12:17
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chaosapiant posted:The atmosphere/vibe I'm getting is "Dishonored" more or less. Am I close? It's not nearly as cynical as Dishonored.
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Sep 30, 2019 18:15
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I'd like to point out for those concerned about the racism angle is that your partner (who from the demo at least, is the second most important character) in the game is a different race to you, and a significant part of the game is how you interact with him. I can't really say more without spoilers, but I am very reassured from my demo experiences.
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Oct 2, 2019 11:25
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CottonWolf posted:That's not a problem with a text though. If the text explicitly says one thing, and everyone chooses to ignore it, don't blame the text. Enh, it can be a problem with the text. The text can explicitly say one thing, but imply another. But I don't think it's a concern here because again, I don't think this game is a power fantasy.
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Oct 2, 2019 13:07
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Pwnstar posted:This game as about being a cop in the 1970s. Kinda. If the main character wasn't upsettingly racist, sexist and homophobic then the player's immersion would be shattered. This isn't true
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Oct 2, 2019 15:11
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The point of the design is to make failures interesting enough to look forward to. If you spec into being a junkie you may not be able to resist the bribe but that wouldn't just be game over, it would open up an entire arc where you can choose to go into rehab, or perhaps decide to betray your dealer later, or just go into a circle of self hatred.
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Oct 2, 2019 17:49
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Anyway if you are a boring person who doesn't want to follow your id then just max out your volition.
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Oct 2, 2019 22:33
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Josef bugman posted:How do you play as a good person and also communist? I think I am on like 16 points in communism without being very arseholish to anyone (who doesn't deserve it) Non spoilery question: I'm after the Big Fight (which went terribly for me, btw, I was totally convinced I put myself in a failure state , do I have a time limit at this point, or can I do sidequests.
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Oct 28, 2019 00:10
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I've been thinking about DE and politics. I wonder if many people don't... necessarily understand the political thoughts. Vague mechanics spoilers: The political thoughts are basically "I'm a guy who is a literal amnesiac who knows nothing about this world but I think I can solve it all by strict employment of an Ideology - an ideology I literally just learned about five minutes ago". They aren't actually 'communism' or leftism, they are 'I am the Last Communist'. Therefore they are all kinda bad, and therefore you maybe shouldn't pick any of them... if you are a boring sorry cop like me anyway. I mean, the political 'sides' you are picking have the implicit idea that "I'm a white guy with It's not actually saying "all sides suck, including choosing no side" Fangz fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Oct 28, 2019 15:02
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Man, people had trouble getting Kim's trust? I got it *on the first day*. The cheevo literally triggered as he gave me his hubcaps. It was a good moment.
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Oct 29, 2019 02:21
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I have to say, if I was to make one change to the design I'd reduce the cost of forgetting thoughts a bit. Maybe have it be a red skill roll to forget that costs a skill point if you fail?
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Oct 29, 2019 18:14
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Er, so what's the theory?
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Oct 29, 2019 19:20
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oscarthewilde posted:iirc, it's that actually Kim's the human can opener in El Puta Madre's pocket and that that's the reason he's so ok with you just taking bribes and doing drugs left and right. i'm not sure i agree, he's definitely not happy when you do those things and he's never really that can opener-y. i still think that authority eyebrow's just a pretty good joke, but it might really be more than it seems. I think that's ridiculous, sorry. I mean Ruby's story has many other specific details that don't check out, like the can opener working with a death squad which she specifically describes as your Precinct 41 crew. If you want to go with the idea of there being a corrupt cop the best possibility to go with is either that Satellite-Officer dude (his use of disguises as a 'joke' could be a hint at him using your identity to do bad stuff), or that guy who quit prior to the game. Kim's got plenty of things to justify his high authority. Like for example, all the racists all over the place, his homosexuality. Kim's Precinct 57 doesn't even operate in Jamrock. He's the gooddest of good cops. He smokes a cigarette a day to build up an immunity to temptation. He lets you take bribes and drugs because he believes its possible to do those things and yet not compromise your integrity, because he's the most integrity person alive. Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Oct 29, 2019 |
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Oct 29, 2019 19:32
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Avalerion posted:I gave in to the hype and got this, don’t want to waste my refund window staring at chargen... what would be a non-wacky (no drugs, communist or fascist), competent good guy cop build? I went 4 4 2 2 for my good boring cop build. High empathy is super useful if you want to help people.
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Oct 30, 2019 11:16
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Xarbala posted:Honestly DE sidesteps the problem with RTWP gameplay that plagued even the best crpgs of old (and some newer ones, like Pillars of Eternity) by, simply, forgoing with a discrete combat system altogether. It's all just skill checks. In this respect it's not unlike modern rules-light pnp games, though with a higher degree of crunch because every single skill you can develop is a character with its own voice, and so every single skill serves a real purpose in the narrative. Now I'm imagining an alternate "normal" version of DE where you have to do a RTWP fight every five minutes. Grind those moralintern goons! Cast pale blast! Demoralise skulls gangers with combat karaoke!
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Oct 30, 2019 14:16
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What skills do you need to dance?
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Oct 30, 2019 15:58
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My impression of Cunoesse is that she is simply an illegal immigrant. She didn't actually do anything wrong, Empathy merely picked up on Cuno and Cunoesse's fear of police, and Cuno's attempts to scare you away from her. Re the killer, I think the killer makes most sense narratively if you view a mildly communist or moralist run as the canonical run. I think thematically he makes sense at least, though obviously he breaks the rules of crime fiction. I suspect that before the title change, he was more important. Unrelatedly, what I always thought was bad about Planescape basically came down to its core conceit.  So... Yeah, Disco Elysium has the complete opposite mentality.
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Oct 30, 2019 19:00
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itry posted:According to Joyce the Pale can also (Insulindian isola story) recede and perhaps even create matter. Yup. I absolutely disagree that the Pale is entropy. The Pale is *hope*. Terrible and sacred hope. Like the comparison the phasmid makes is made to the arrival of oxygen to the earth. The Pale is not merely the end, but the creation of a new world. Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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Oct 30, 2019 19:50
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None of them are as good as Kim
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Oct 30, 2019 21:34
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You can have negative one empathy?
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Oct 30, 2019 22:24
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I want to see what your partner says if you are naked at the end
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Oct 30, 2019 23:44
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Sure but that's like the last five minutes For most of the game you are the most important person in the most important city in the multiverse Fangz fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Oct 31, 2019 01:04
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Well there are no cube person dungeons in this one
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Oct 31, 2019 01:10
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Accordion Man posted:Yeah, but the rest of the game is similar in that your not some big rear end hero busting into the room and saving the day and have everyone swoon at you like Bioware had a problem with. TNO is even more of a massive fuckup than Harry because he had multiple life times to dig himself even deeper in the massive abyss he placed himself from the start. Hell, TNO's last incarnation was a cruel sociopath and the game really makes you feel the effects of his actions. All your party members are broken people and TNO is the responsible for a decent amount of them. The whole game is how TNO's actions have negatively affected people's lives for a long rear end time. My point isn't that TNO is Good, my point is that he's ridiculously Effectual. Vs Disco Elysium where it's a struggle to get your shoes.
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Oct 31, 2019 01:16
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Night10194 posted:Volition is the one that outright steps in if you try to refuse the Communism thought to tell you 'no, you must do this, even if it's impossible', so this is wrong. No, volition tells you to do it *because* it's impossible. My read is that volition's angle here is that actually doing the gulags is probably bad, but hey, you gotta have some hope.
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Oct 31, 2019 12:34
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Zero VGS posted:Yeah, Volition is the eternal optimist. Communism only failed because you in particular haven't attempted it yet. Nah. I'd argue that volition is *hopepunk*. Rhetoric is an optimist. ( https://festive.ninja/one-atom-of-justice-one-molecule-of-mercy-and-the-empire-of-unsheathed-knives-alexandra-rowland/ )
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Oct 31, 2019 12:41
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I think it's a complicated set of consequences and assigning blame isn't the most important thing. Though overall I'd blame the deserter because ultimately he is the one that acted with the most pure malice in the whole situation. He wanted these people to suffer. He wanted all of Revanchol to suffer.
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Oct 31, 2019 18:04
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chaosapiant posted:I don't think this is accurate. If they had come for that reason, dude's clothes wouldn't have been so drat tight. I think that was a ruse after the poo poo went down and they had to make do with what they had. White Pines != Krenel, it's possible that White Pines just put the ad out and Krenel picked up on it even though it's wholly unsuited to what they were supposed to do, because money
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Oct 31, 2019 18:59
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Palpek posted:I feel like it's really surprising that instead of paying for the second hotel day you can't just sleep on a bench and thus switching your character to hobocop. In a game with such a reactive world to even the worst decisions the devs openly saying that at that point you need to reload a previous save (not even a game-over screen, you're just...stuck) is really weird. I mean, it's a game with anti-capitalist dialogue options, the dialogue with the hotel owner even lets you say you'll manage on your own and don't need a room, you can even piss him off to a point where he should be throwing you out. It's a game with anti-capitalist themes so the player has to exist in capitalism. Giving a way to just exist outside of capitalism from the start without having to collect garbage, take bribes, sell your partner's stuff would basically undercut several of the conflicts in the game. Perhaps it would be been more elegant for the game to just kill you in the night if you try to stay outside.
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Nov 1, 2019 13:03
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:Are there many opportunities to hand out fines or those arrest slips? I think I only found one the whole time I was playing and I couldn't bring myself to actually click it. I fined Gary the Cryptofascist.
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Nov 1, 2019 15:59
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I don't really know which characters the chapo people played and maybe I don't wanna know. My favourite thing about the Tribunal was that I built up a pretty good modifier to my hand eye coordination but I decided at the last minute to not shoot, but instead to try and talk it out with "if you kill me, you'll never find out who killed your brother". At which point Korty told Ruud "kill him." Oof.
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Nov 1, 2019 23:11
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not joseph stalin posted:Never passed the check with the phasmid and my skill is so low that I'm too lazy to save-scum it 33 times. What happens in that scene? Everything Started typing it out but I can't really do it justice. Look for a video? Fangz fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Nov 3, 2019 |
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Nov 3, 2019 00:16
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not a bot posted:I don't think it had anything to do with the title change. The original title refers to Harry's thoughts and the different skills talking with each other and it was changed since to a more market friendly one Furies are deities of revenge born out of spilt blood. They punish oath breaking, infidelity, anger and murder by inciting war, madness and sickness.
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Nov 3, 2019 02:30
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Yeah the final confrontation directly references that poem. The obvious answer is that the furies are the skills but it doesn't fit - the skills are almost never antagonistic, if anything they are overprotective.
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Nov 3, 2019 03:21
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Palpek posted:The tag already got uploaded: I'm sorry to make you do this for me. so so sorry
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Nov 5, 2019 00:55
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cock hero flux posted:The line changes but the gist of it remains the same. I haven't played the fascist myself, but IIRC the fascisty epilogue is more like Harry can be relied on to stand with the *RCM*, as opposed to the people.
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Can Cuno dance?
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