USPOL Fall: Biden the hand that feeds you

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

theflyingorc posted:

You're correct, I was just responding to the "each and every one" part of it, but nobody in purple or blue states wants to make the vote - Cory Gardner and Susan Collins are likely terrified of it.

I think the best argument for impeachment is to make them have to make that vote and in extension make every republican member of congress have to vote up or down on Trump before 2020 which really nationalizes the election. However I could also see McConnell just never bringing it up for a vote in the senate too.

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

theflyingorc posted:

I think what McConnell will PROBABLY do is slam the vote through in 20 minutes, dismissing it as partisan nonsense. He tries to not do things that draw attention to himself, and I think that not hearing impeachment will catch public attention much more than not hearing judges.

I think it's more likely that he just says "there aren't the votes to convict" and sits on it. Why make his members take the vote?

# ¿ Sep 24, 2019 15:43

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This is #LowEnergy #Sad

# ¿ Sep 24, 2019 15:46

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https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1176506557762363392

What hole did they pull Tiffany out of?

# ¿ Sep 24, 2019 15:56

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Groovelord Neato posted:

why is don jr's girlfriend there?

Most of the royal court attends world stage events.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2019 15:58

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

I'm interested in seeing polls. I wonder if this Ukraine stuff is changing anyone's mind. There is a part of the his rubes that will love him strong arming a foreign country for aid (which they don't believe in to begin with) to own the libs.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2019 16:07

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BigBallChunkyTime posted:

So yeah, we're too the point where he's openly confessing his crimes in front of the world and Republicans still will give him cover.

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1176499836054622209?s=20

They don't think he CAN commit crimes.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2019 16:37

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Look at these 2 loving mongoloids.

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# ¿ Sep 24, 2019 17:01

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https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/1177596229695332353

Pelosi remains loving useless.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:08

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TulliusCicero posted:

What defense could they possibly produce? The President himself and his lawyer are confessing and everything is true, the witness is a CIA officer who has no reason to stick their neck out except "holy poo poo crimes"

They are hosed

What do you mean by hosed?

You think republican senators care?

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:12

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Dapper_Swindler posted:

i don't really see what she did wrong here. also the article is kinda crap. plus its a day old and out of date.

She's completely bungling the political strategy as usual. Instead of hearings and new dirt on Trump dominating the news for the next year she wants to get it over quickly.... For what? To pass more bills Mitch McConnell will shred? Trump should be taking a beating like he is this week for the next year and she doesn't seem to want that.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:15

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Rent-A-Cop posted:

She is afraid that the Republicans will do it to her because she's crooked as poo poo.

She's only crooked as in typical Washington crooked. The main issue is that she's from a different political era which makes her incompetent politically and completely unsuited to the historical moment. She has no idea what she's up against and literally no strategy to win other than short term holds.

theflyingorc posted:

Yeah, I can see how moving quickly over the last 4-5 days has been disastrous for them, u got it

The point is to force Republican Senators to vote on it soon so that Gardner, Tillis, Collins and McSally all have to defend their choice to their voters. She might play it differently if support for impeachment continues to grow, but we're in a very different world than we were 4 days ago, and "stringing it out" may not actually be the best strategy.

Your logic here makes no sense. D's are politically winning this week (through nothing they themselves did) and Pelosi is trying to make this week's story as short as possible. How could that possibly be a good idea?

Your second point makes even less sense. Make them take the vote as close to the election as possible!!!! (If there even is a vote)

mcmagic fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Sep 27, 2019

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:20

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Trasson posted:

If you think that the goal is removal or forcing Trump to resign, then focusing on a narrow "this is obviously illegal" band is more sensible than dragging every little thing out.

Like Ukraine might not be the most impeachable thing this administration has done. But it's easily the least defensible, and sufficient grounds on its own.

If she thinks he's getting removed or resigning she's even more of an incompetent moron than I thought she was.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:23

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Stereotype posted:

She doesn�t think that she can convince the Senate, which is why she wants to get Senate Rs on record saying that this is okay as soon as possible.

Again, WHY as soon as possible? Make them take that vote as close to the election as possible if a vote even happens.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:27

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Trasson posted:

To be fair, narrow and swift in Congressional investigation land might still be ten plus months.

They are talking about a vote before Thanksgiving...

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:30

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Stereotype posted:

Because 70% of the country will assume that all presidents have asked foreign nations for political dirt on their opponents in 9 months if they don�t make a point of it right now.

At least if they vote soon Americans will remember something vaguely negative like �Rs support Trump�s corruption�

Yeah I think this analysis is 100% wrong. There is clearly a cover up going on in the white house and clearly more illegal activity going on that would drip out in a real investigation and that would be damaging to Trump.

And you still haven't answered why the �Rs support Trump�s corruption� headlines shouldn't be as close to the election as possible.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:35

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Dapper_Swindler posted:

and the dems are gonna use the those crimes to add on to impeachment because its part of the trail.

Maybe but that is not what Pelosi is saying right now.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:37

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skylined! posted:

This is a very typical mcmagic post where you do a lot of armchair quarterbacking about things you just seem to want to try and intuit knowledge of, and then scream about how much more you know than anyone else while not really, uh, making a substantiated argument. It's pretty grating.

The very obvious strategy here is that a years-long investigation with Mueller ended up losing the attention of the American people, and was too convoluted for many people to bother understanding. Instead, they're looking to keep pressing republicans on a very easy-to-understand impeachable offense and force them to vote on it while it's still in the consciousness of voters. I am not necessarily endorsing it but your shrieking of why it's dumb without being able to make the very obvious connections of why they're doing it is so loving tired.

Pretty rich that you follow up a personal attack with a post that is so disconnected from the reality of the situation.

Your analysis on what happened with the Mueller Report is 100000000000000% wrong. That investigation was run by corrupt republicans who seeded that they couldn't charge Trump with anything no matter what they found. It was overseen by corrupt Trump hacks in the justice department who limited the scope away from Trump's kids and his financial crimes and it was rolled out by a corrupt AG in order to minimize the impact. That investigation was compromised and completely illegitimate. An investigation led by house Democrats would NOT have the same lack of impact that Mueller did. It would have much more.

I don't understand not wanting to have this in the news for the next year forcing Republicans to answer for it every day rather than rushing it through in a month a year from the election which is like a decade in the trump era.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:47

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Majorian posted:

The point isn't to make the charges against Trump himself stronger, it's to take more people down with him. (and to keep beating the entire GOP over the head with a hammer until election day)

loving yes.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:48

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Taerkar posted:

This sort of bullshit statement needs to die. It's a 'Common Wisdom' claim with strong roots in anti-government thinking and gets repeated far too often by people who should know better and is one of the foundations for both-sides thinking.

It's not bullshit. How is she worth 16 million dollars on a congressional salary for 30 years?

It might not be illegal but she's definitely corrupt.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/confronting-pelosi-on-insider-trading/

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:52

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skylined! posted:

Despite Mueller plainly stating that the president committed obstruction, what was the response from the American public? Do you think that there was an overwhelming response to impeach and the house just ignored it?

It was NOT plainly stated and it was rolled out by a corrupt AG that muddied the waters. Everything about the Mueller Report was crafted to ensure that nothing happened.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 18:57

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theflyingorc posted:

Her husband is an investment banker, one of the most lucrative careers that exists?

She also has owned property in San Francisco for a long time, which is probably a large part of her net worth?

Just ignoring the evidence of her insider trading? lol

Your bias toward the incompetent morons that are the D establishment is pretty pathetic.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 19:01

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

I don't get why anyone would defend Pelosi. What the gently caress is her track record of accomplishment that you want to defend? Even if you want to give her credit for the ACA, that was a decade ago! Her political track record in the Obama and Trump era's is heinous. Forget about her poo poo politics, just as a political leading of a parliamentary party she is an utter failure.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 19:05

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Angry_Ed posted:

Other things that were a decade ago, those same allegations of Insider Trading you now drag out. You can't play it both ways.

This is the most bad faith of bad faith defenses. You can't do better than this?

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# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 19:07

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Angry_Ed posted:

So do things from a decade ago matter or not

I said part of the reason that she got rich was insider trading. Did that money disappear in the last 10 years? Or did it make more money for her.

That's the same thing as asking what a political parties' leader has accomplished in the last 10 years? Really? Are you that dumb?

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# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 19:11

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twice burned ice posted:

Yes she's a terrible politician and a worse speaker.

Asking you to support your claims about her illegal corruption isn't defending her, idiot.

I posted the 60 Minutes piece I was talking about. Not my issue if you didn't click the link.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2019 19:12

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sean10mm posted:

Now do it for all the redundant rolling backups in the SCIF.

And the automatic audit trails for all the backups.

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That doesn't mean that congress will ever get to see them.

# ¿ Sep 28, 2019 01:36

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FizFashizzle posted:

he's currently in italy on an unannounced trip for some reason and just can't be reached darndest thing

This is almost certainly Bolton, right?

Bolton wasn't in the WH back then.

# ¿ Sep 28, 2019 01:48

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TyrantWD posted:

Bevin losing seems to be more of a uniquely a Bevin problem, and not a Kentucky wide blue wave. That said, Trump�s very existence seems to draw people out to the polls. If there were anyone else in the White House tonight, a lot of non-conservatives wouldn�t even know there were elections today.

It goes both ways. There was massive turnout among R's too.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2019 03:41

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Sydin posted:

https://twitter.com/lisa_schroeder/status/1191895964212060161

Too bad the D candidate that will be running against him is a loving dunce.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2019 03:50

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VA will find out quick.

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1191917075264155648

# ¿ Nov 6, 2019 04:18

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Tuff Scrote posted:

https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/1191906593786363904?s=21

Bevin didn't have the support among republicans that Trump does.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2019 04:46

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

60 Minutes bootlicks the powerful like a champ...

# ¿ Nov 11, 2019 01:30

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Chuck Schumer is the loving absolute worst.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2019 17:40

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Too Shy Guy posted:

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1193925337379463169

Ilhan Omar is a loving beacon of moral clarity.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2019 18:03

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

There is no reason for Republicans to be allowed to speak at these hearings.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2019 15:56

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Not sure why Republicans should be getting free air time on every network to defend their Dear Leader? Let them go on Fox news for that.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2019 16:02

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eke out posted:

turns out you aren't allowed to say "the minority is not allowed to speak at all" in public hearings in the house

Yeah, you are. The majority makes the rules.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2019 16:04

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eke out posted:

i see you're starting strong with the idea of "change the rules so republicans aren't allowed to talk at all in public hearings." looking forward to more good ideas like this one

Can you provide a good reason why they should be allowed to talk?

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sean10mm posted:

It's been a long time since they've done anything but harm themselves when they do.

They are getting their message to their base. That is all they really care about.

CascadeBeta posted:

Because not letting them talk plays into their false narrative that it's a sham hearing?

I'm sure them being allowed to talk will make them stop calling it a sham hearing/witch hunt/fraud/fake news/whatever other bullshit.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2019 16:10

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