[DEFUNCT] former goonbucks thread, no more goonbucks here

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CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

can we clarify the way to send a one off payment? ready and standing by!

# ¿ Dec 20, 2020 05:54

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 22:41

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

did you miss the part where he needs to incorporate and then pay a corporate tax lawyer and, depending on how he disburses the funds/various state laws, is require to track PII from the recipients who are then also on the hook to report the funds as income (taking more money they don't have)

not to mention all the issues with non American posters who want to help or receive help

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 21:12

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

redneck nazgul posted:

lol

just perma him already and let el jeff reverse it if plinkey decides its worth the effort to plead his case. you just said he's guilty.

the idea of goonfund is sunk, we can go REMEMBER WHEN CSPAM LET A GAMBLING ADDICT TAKE ALL THE MONEY FROM THEIR CHARITY for years to come in the sags thread, mission loving accomplished

they'll be posting about this for years and what an epic win it was that a bunch of people missed out on help. kinda sad if u think about it, I'm glad most posters in cspam don't act like that

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 21:19

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

I'm gonna be entirely honest, I've been holding off for a few weeks on asking for help from the fund for a second month in a row because of my own personal guilt about it, and then this poo poo goes and pops off and I see people's post histories being dug into or using people asking for help to take care of their pets as a cudgel and poo poo and making me doubly terrified of asking in here so i just send a stealth email off yesterday hoping to get it noticed but at this point it looks like it doesn't matter.

This fund has actively saved my life on several occasions. Plinkey has helped me and gone way above and beyond on several occasions since due to a troubled living situation and stuff I have frequent issues with getting my food stamps and the anonymity and expedience and all the related stuff makes it easy to get help without getting things gummed up while I work on my various appeals for getting my food stamps/disability/etc going. And seeing as there's a non zero chance of it all coming crashing down and one of my last few support structures crumbling in the face of this is absolutely cripplingly depressing. Especially when alternatives aren't off the ground, and are debating means testing and everything.

Even if it's just a little, it helps a ton, and seeing this is just absolutely crushing. I really don't know what I'd do without it.

I'm glad you asked for help

Asking for help is extremely hard for some people and that can have dire consequences. Making it easier and less stigmatized is something we should all be behind

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 21:42

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

VideoKid posted:

capitalism had conditioned us to believe that asking for help is a moral failing. it�s not and gently caress anyone who tries to shame anyone for doing it.

yes absolutely this. it's very frustrating

Azathoth posted:

Okay, mean culpa time. I'm reading over my posts and I'm embarrassed.

I got heated and I hosed up, said things I shouldn't have said and I'd like to personally apologize to Plinkey. He's said he will address the accountability concerns and I should have taken him at his word on that. He's done more real world good than I have, by a large margin, and that should and does count for something. I'm sorry that I made someone who used the fund feel like they needed to come here and defend it, and talk about personal stuff.

I was over the line and I am truly sorry.

thank you

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 21:45

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

again, i am fully in favor of the goonfund, but it's time to treat it with a less cavalier attitude.

oh dont worry we can tell you care

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 21:55

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

i'm really only perusing this arguement, is there any real disadvantage to moving towards a model that resembles the UK goon fund? if anything i'd love to see the fund grow in size, and i've seen testimonials of people being outright ignored.

sweet go help set it up

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:01

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

Yeah, but the hardcore plinkey sycophants might not be representative of everyone donating. We don't know how many goons currently give to the fund because they want to help other posters, but do so under some duress as they feel uncomfortable with how the fund is structured. In the last two days, since this has all blown up, the patreon has already gone down $300.00, and I don't doubt that there are more goons currently giving who in the coming weeks will also decide to drop off from this cause in order to divert it to the more transparent fund.

We also do not know how many goons there are in this forum who WOULD currently be donating to the fund if it was organized properly. Its quite possible that the new thread will bring in more money than this one.

Setting this poo poo up properly will help more people and anyone saying otherwise is totally bonkers

drat it's crazy how there are so many of you that genuinely want to help out, really looking forward to what you can achieve

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:04

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

croup coughfield posted:

to be clear, the reason i think plinkey is skimming is because i would

that's probably the mindset of a lot of these drama goons lmao

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:07

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

your complacence is disgusting.

I'd be more concerned if u drama goons were complimenting me

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:09

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

what level of concern would not be dramatic in your eyes? i'm being sincere when i say i think the fund is a good thing.

it's a bad thing tho

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:13

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

croup coughfield posted:

ill be real with you man: i dont think this is just people stirring up drama for fun. i think they're legit concerned about potential corruption and have some perfectly normal reasons for being so. i just think its stupid to get heated over this particular issue and people should leave well enough alone

yea the drama goons probably hate drama

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:15

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

multiple people came forward in qcs to say that asked for money when they needed it and didn't get a response, this is a failure full stop. it would be nice if it didn't happen again and the person who is responsible for letting these requests fall through the cracks at least had something to say about it.

hopefully your fund is more effective

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:20

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

Skyl3lazer posted:

Do you get like, good boy points or some poo poo for continuing to post trash when nobody wants you here? Are you like 14 and you just think it's funny? Or did you just grow up rich and don't give a poo poo?

If you think they are a moron then just wait until you see the rest of them

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:27

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

croup coughfield posted:

plinkey should spend the money to buy every goon enrollment in some kinda class to learn how to process their emotions in a healthy way

yeah I'm still on board with helping the drama goons

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:33

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

Epic High Five posted:

The thread for a properly tax code integrated and professionally and independently maintained goon fund that will somehow also be swift and not keep personal information while having less "overhead" is already sputtering out/becoming meta-commentary, people here just trying to take the piss and worry-warts should move over there to keep it on the first page imho, you've caught the car good luck and gently caress off

yeah it's playing out how some of us in the qcs thread thought it would lol

can't believe none of them are helping out!! feeling betrayed

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:36

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

Lets do some thought experiments here.

How much money does the fund have? I don't mean income, I mean how much is currently sitting in there.

Are we assuming that the fund is operating at a net-zero? Is ~3200 going in each month, and exactly ~3200 is going out to pay goons? I doubt it, but lets assume so. This is really precarious! Lets assume hypothetically that Plinkey is kicked off Patreon today, for whatever reason. 3200/mo becomes 0/mo. If the fund is operating at a net zero, then the fund is suddenly completely unable to help anybody until Plinkey is able to secure a new source of donations. Wouldn't the people giving money like to know if that is the case? I sure would!

More likely than that, the fund is not operating at net zero, and there is excess money left over each month. Hopefully this money is being kept in an account where it can accumulate interest and can be accessed when the need arrives, say if the Patreon starts to dry up but people are still in need.. But we don't know how much is in there and that's a problem!

Lets say of the 3200/mo, 2200 is going out to goons. So there would be 10,000 excess funding so far from this year, that should be sitting in an account, enough to cover 4-5 months of that same rate. That would give Plinkey plenty of time to continue supporting goons while trying to re-secure the funding. Great!

But lets say there's a lot less money sitting around (because we have ZERO idea how much money there is!). Lets say there's only about 100 dollars leftover at the end of each month, and Plinkey is not able to sustain the fund without the Patreon. Wou'dnt you want to know if the fund's existence was this precarious? Letting the community know "hey, our funds are a bit low right now" would be a fantastic way to secure more donations, because I can't imagine anybody who is currently giving would want to see this thing fail.

And another hypothetical, lets say that the fund is doing really well, and there's more like 30k sitting around. Don't you think, if that was the case, that there are some donors out there who might take that information and reduce their current pledge? I'm sure that not everyone currently giving is totally financially stable. Without being properly informed about the financial wellbeing of the fund, some of these individuals might feel pressured into giving more than they really feel comfortable.

Anyways, none of this even takes into account the possibility that amounts might be skimmed off the top. We don't need to consider that at all, because no matter how you slice it, the failure to disclose financials is automatically misappropriation. It doesn't matter if Plinkey is putting the money into a bank account, or if he's hording it in his sock drawer. it doesn't matter if he is shoving it into a huge cartoon money bag and dragging it straight to the casino, it doesn't matter if he is throwing dollar bills out the window at homeless people, or if he's feeding they money to an alligator at the zoo. The fact that it is unaccounted for is unethical, end of story. People are giving money to a specific cause, and people have a right to know how that money is being used for that cause.

u don't have to give money

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:37

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

i feel like i've done well separating my flames from my sincere posts. i'll admit i've undercut myself but this whole dustup is hard to wade into from any direction without catching a walloping.

maybe tag one of your buddies in, you're cooked

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:40

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

Epic High Five posted:

I think the discussion moved back to the sagas thread since nobody is going to step up to become the next target lol

chicken poo poo when they can't dog pile people. typical

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:47

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

i'm not seeing many rebuttals to the side that wants oversight other than "MAKE YOUR OWN GOON FUND THEN" which is a famously flawed argument.

no it isn't. it's just that everyone knows none of u will do anything actually useful

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:49

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

oh thanks for being helpful

i dont have to because i'm not the one spending other people's money

don't worry about other people's money

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:52

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

doesnt sound very revolutionary comrade

this isn't a revolution

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:53

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

Vim Fuego posted:

QCS & Azathoth

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:54

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

croup coughfield posted:

literally the point of cspam is worrying about other people's money bro

wow maybe they should all start posting in cspam then

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:56

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

pentyne posted:

At least figure out a better route then Patreon, who have been busy skullfucking everyone they can on their platform and clawing away as much money as possible from people who depend on it to survive.

thanks I'll pass that on

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 23:03

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

have you posted if you've looked into an alternative? i'm not familiar with how charity works at all but the 20% rake is brutal

oh u don't know poo poo about charity shocker

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 23:05

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

you have alzheimers i think

waiting for the reveal that u don't know poo poo about that either

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 23:06

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

WrasslorMonkey posted:

Before this goes any further, I'm going to need to see everyone's government issued ID and Social Security cards. TIA.

wrong thread

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 23:10

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

I got the tude now posted:

what level of concern would not be dramatic in your eyes? i'm being sincere when i say i think the fund is a good thing.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

ur sacrifice was not in vain, they'll be talking about u for years

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 23:24

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

pentyne posted:

well I trusted someone posting in this thread i guess

You trusted them with no transparency?

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 00:27

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

yes, that is awesome. i don't get why it has taken so long of this to happen, but hopefully he is planning to continuously update this spreadsheet for the community. i also think it would be great if he would consider cooperating with any of the goons who have offered assistance with getting this thing more organized.

are you going to read the spreadsheets every month?

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 00:35

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

That DICK! posted:

Haha, gently caress dude, a PlayStation Five? With all the games for free?

what the gently caress? all i got was Video Games

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 02:02

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

and the avatar

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 02:03

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

Homeless Friend posted:

cause goons to go insane/get tude banned.

lol yeah. some of them think this is a big conspiracy and we're all covering it up and being paid off so they might've already been pretty insane before this though

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 02:49

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

WrasslorMonkey posted:

When there are two competing goonfund threads everyone will be better for it, because it will be just like capitalism. That's a good thing.

been saying this from the start

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 03:18

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

starting to look like some sort of communist dictatorship around these parts. not good

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 03:19

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

still going at this? are you people just godless?

# ¿ Oct 22, 2022 20:44

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

fun hater posted:

im not understanding this defensiveness when you could, in theory, end this discussion definitively and get back to what you were doing uninterrupted. the stock line seems to be that no amount of evidence will satify the "bad faith" posters but it seems obvious that mods and admins are willing to enforce criticism of you and the patreon since they do so now. why not simply provide them with literally anything as basis to fall back on as a justified ban reason for anyone doubting you. this seems like an easy choice, to me.

accussations of doxing are childish; framing these concerns as legitimate is intellectually insulting.

feel free to start your own fund. or help the other one

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 09:42

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

fun hater posted:

as a person who draws bad cartoons for morons for a living, "why dont you make your own" is a phrase that gets a lot of play when someone makes fun of your webcomic and you are 17 years old. it's surreal to see it leveraged sincerely by someone i presume is an adult over the concept of public records for a charity, a concept that i would have thought would be unanimously popular with peoples whose politics ostensibly revolve around preventing mistreatment and exploitation. additionally, "why do you care if youre not paying for it" was quite literally the ur defense for bad internet art since time immemorial and honestly a bizarre thing to say to another person as a challenge to their morals. do i have to pay into something i find dishonest to criticize it. if so, here is my patreon for you to return the favor, i think $5 will do. thank you https://www.patreon.com/aghoststory

e: hmm looks like i do have my own goonfund. well. mission complete

i have no money i gave it all to plinkey sorry

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 10:11

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 22:41

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

fun hater posted:

ah well, you see, i dont make much but a humble living on my wares

after taxes its more like 14k. i dont know why it would be shocking to know someone who draws for a living would not have a lot of money

may i see yours please

e: ap,additionally if i did have spare money, i'd have a pretty solid line up of more important things and people to spend it on lol. sorry chief, i have friends who come first

i mean, if your intent is to carry on and refuse to address anything, i think you may also have to live with the fact that people are going to use the innate pattern seeking abilities humans have to draw their own obvious and unsavory conclusions lol

maybe make a new thread for whatever you got going on here?

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 10:50

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