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Slowpoke! posted:Would the Senate need 51 or 60 votes to admit Puerto Rico? Because I don’t see it getting to 60 without a lot of work, but 51 would be easy if we can keep up momentum in 2020 and 2022. The Constitution does not specify a required level of Congressional approval so it's 60 with the filibuster, 51 without. Perhaps significantly, it's also only up to Congress, the president and other states do not have a role.
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Why do we assume predictit has special insight or is even rational in aggregate
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Dec 3, 2019 20:42
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Yeah, the question is not whether the party will abandon him, the question is how much brain functionality can he lose before he can no longer effectively maintain his cult of personality.
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Forrest on Fire posted:Foghorn Leghorn was actually based on a senator from a 1940s radio show, so this seems to be pretty standard for American pols. To be clear, he was based on an exaggerated parody of a senator from a 1940s radio show, not an actual Senator.
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Dec 4, 2019 16:47
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Gatts posted:repeal their appointments Unfortunately the Constitution is very clear on this, it lays out specific and limited conditions under which lifetime appointments may be ended and the appointing president is not allowed to be a consideration. It's court packing at every level or nothing.
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Dec 5, 2019 15:27
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actionjackson posted:I assume he must have some dirt on other Fox News people to be able to say this on air and not lose his job Shepard Smith entrusted his insurance repository to Napolitano on the way out the door
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Dec 5, 2019 17:40
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Not only does everyone know that, it's a minuscule amount compared to the corporate tax cut and the other meddling that doesn't move money outside the federal government. I mean, yeah, it's bad, but in terms of damage to America it's not the real problem.
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Dec 5, 2019 17:57
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Per Wikipedia there are 870 judgeships that are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, including the 9 SCOTUS seats.
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Dec 5, 2019 18:17
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SchrodingersCat posted:It really does work, James Earl Ray had three first names. The potential for evil rises exponentially with each name. John Roberts, the biggest threat to the country right now, has arbitrarily many first names since one is an indefinite plural
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Dec 6, 2019 18:29
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"He’s presidenting" needs to be the title of either this or the USPOL thread stat
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Dec 9, 2019 19:16
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bird food bathtub posted:Really looking forward to watching McTurtle ratfuck this process. Dude gives not the slightest gently caress about laws, decorum, the constitution...nothing. So I'm horrified and morbidly curious about how he's going to weaponize this and dick over the country. He's astonished me multiple times in my life how little he cares about anything that isn't raw power, so I'm at a loss for what devious poo poo he's gonna pull. The main thing constraining McConnell at this point is that he has to get the other Senators to sign their names to whatever he wants to do, and how willing they are to play along depends on how their local bases would react.
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Dec 10, 2019 20:06
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Angry_Ed posted:And also all of the judges he appointed etc. etc. The Constitution gives us the tools, if we can take 2/3 of both houses. You can impeach any appointed federal officer, including judges/justices. Court packing gets all the press because you only need a simple majority in both (and the presidency). The consequences of doing a few rounds of mass show impeachments for blatantly political reasons are left as an exercise for the reader.
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Dec 11, 2019 19:47
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GutBomb posted:I don’t read comic books or watch kids movies. What the gently caress is a Thanos and a tony snap? There is no way to answer this without several paragraphs of dumb nerd poo poo so just leave it at "a pop culture reference that does not mean at all what they appear to believe it means"
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Dec 11, 2019 22:14
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idiotsavant posted:No, Ken Starr went on a pretty insane "investigatory" spree with a shitload of power granted to him by Congress. You might remember that the big gotcha moment was from Clinton actually *testifying* and fibbing about his relationship with Lewinsky. No loving way is anyone sane going to let Trump ever get within passing distance of giving testimony. He then published his entire multi hundred page report to the general public, it was a big media launch event and printed copies showed up in bookstores. Everyone wanted to read the explicit parts.
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Dec 12, 2019 23:04
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Rauros posted:He's a baptist preacher, so jesus has taken the wheel of his deductive reasoning faculties. Sticker on the back of his chair: "In case of Democrats wielding power, this vehicle will be unmanned"
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Dec 13, 2019 19:12
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bird food bathtub posted:Former President SS coverage is for national security purposes. Don't want the guy who used to know all that stuff getting kidnapped or something. So assuming the universe is not a kind place and the fat mother fucker doesn't stroke out and die before he's a former president, yes he'd get the protection. He would not be the president though, so any other president could tell him to pound sand up his rear end instead of getting multimillion dollar contracts to his own hotels. Whenever Trump stays at his own properties, have the SS stay at someone else's nearby. Every morning they come over and take up all the parking spaces, clog the hallways, etc without spending any money.
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Dec 14, 2019 19:31
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Google Butt posted:When do they actually vote Some time this evening, there is no exact timetable.
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Dec 18, 2019 20:31
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CyberPingu posted:So wtf does impeachment actually mean/do it the Senate can just squash it. Practically? Nothing. It's effectively censure writ large. All it really does is compel the Senate to act on it. The Senate can squash it, but they can't squash it quietly. This is widely expected to happen so no one is going to be surprised or disappointed when it does. The point of it is that there are a number of Senators - it's unclear just how many, but probably more than the Republican advantage in the Senate right now - who lose politically by the House forcing things to this point. A vote, any vote, on whether or not to keep Trump in office in no uncertain terms will have consequences in the 2020 election, as will the verdict rendered by the Senate as a whole. If they ditch him, their own voters and Trump will be furious, and that translates into at best depressed Republican turnout and at worst getting primaried. If they keep him, the Democratic base will be even more furious and that translates into Democratic votes in the general. Plus, it'll make Trump mad as hell that his administration has now been permanently marked as one that got impeached, and that's always good for some comedy.
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1207714546049323008 Trump is going to demand that the Senate pass a resolution affirming his innocence, which the House will use to even more firmly commit to their position of not sending the articles until an impartial trial can be guaranteed. I'm not sure if this is the brightest or dumbest political strategy I've ever seen.
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Dec 19, 2019 18:39
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Meatball posted:Trump is *freaking out*. But is he ~fuming~?
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Dec 20, 2019 20:33
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SpeakSlow posted:So, is there a possibility of the House stacking impeachment articles before sending them to the Senate? Say, for the sake of example, the House has 2-3 impeachable offenses before the Senate gets to start? The pressure on the Senate would not be meaningfully different from what it is today without a black swan event. More crimes on the list wouldn't change the current acquittal plan.
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Dec 24, 2019 17:01
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Responsible media won't confirm if they have the right name so it's going to be difficult to know for sure, especially if you don't read rightosphere primary sources at all.
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Dec 27, 2019 20:29
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There is no mechanism whatsoever for delaying or canceling a US federal election. That will not become a serious possibility without a massive disruption to day-to-day life throughout the country which would mean we all have much bigger problems anyway.
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Jan 6, 2020 14:35
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:When McGhan comes back and the result is " yes you must testify, but lol the election already took place and impeachment is over" whats the loving point? The point would be that in a few administrations when this sort of thing happens again, they can immediately point to the McGhan case instead of having to spend even more months in appeals.
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Jan 6, 2020 19:29
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You really can't imagine a time when the president holds the moral high ground and congress is the one making up bullshit investigations just to obstruct and waste everyone's time? I know we joke about Trump Time but the previous administration really wasn't that long ago.
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Jan 6, 2020 20:19
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Arcsquad12 posted:Question: if Bitch Turtle McDonald's acquits Trump on the two articles drafted against him, what's to stop the House from bringing forward more articles and impeaching him again? Legally speaking, I know that the Democrats could view one failure as reason to not try and impeach him a second time. Nothing, beyond the fact that a) this has never happened before in US history and b) by the time it becomes clear this is necessary we will probably be close enough to the election that no one is willing to keep pushing.
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Jan 7, 2020 21:25
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It's Trump's trial. If you think Hunter committed a crime, open a separate investigation for him. But first try to reconcile your desire for that with the fact that that is exactly, exactly what Trump wants to happen and what he is literally on trial for for trying to make happen right now.
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Jan 16, 2020 18:34
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empty whippet box posted:Crimes aren't crimes. Actually, crimes are not-crimes. Therefore, you must acquit. Because my client committed not-crimes. Thank you. It depends on what the meaning of the word "crimes" is
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eke out posted:no kidding. but there's a version of this trial where you have both the Trump People arguing this is an insane conspiracy hoax, and then the White House People arguing more legal and procedural issues, where the facade of neutrality benefits them. The sane people have had three years to run for the
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plogo posted:I'm a bit confused as to how the republicans can pass McConnell's rules without breaking the filibuster. At the very least, why isn't this more of a talking point for dems? The filibuster at this point only applies to legislation, adopting the rules for impeachment and other internal Senate business is a simple majority vote.
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Jan 21, 2020 23:11
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Ershalim posted:That's not really a thing for modern GOP orthodoxy. They don't really have to do anything to secure their legacy because they're already venerated as war heroes against the pink and rainbow tide. Since Reagan left office as a drooling bobble head, it became pretty clear to everyone that the culture war needed symbols, not actors. FOX learned this lesson and started lionizing every member of the GOP who held the line, regardless of anything else they may have done (pedophilia, gay scandals, abortions, thievery, treason, whatever) except in cases where they showed disloyalty to The Party (that is, FOX itself and the current leadership). All of this only happens if she remains useful (in office). If she gets turfed for six years she can't give them anything.
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Jan 22, 2020 00:17
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oxsnard posted:I know Trump is a completely different animal but they turned on GWB really loving fast Do you think Trump is going to ghost the political world, remain quiet for a few years, stay out of every controversy, and then reappear as a subdued, humble painter?
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Jan 22, 2020 22:33
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Scipiotik posted:He can try, but he's not a real judge. And the co-conspirators can tell him to pound sand and ignore his rulings anyway. Plus the judge is on the side of the majority of the jury
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Jan 23, 2020 17:05
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Suddenly that basement locked filing cabinet labeled "beware of the leopard" doesn't seem like such a bad idea
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Jan 27, 2020 15:33
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PIZZA.BAT posted:They would definitely stagger it so that Pence has time to name a VP which would then replace him if the GOP felt it was going to come to that. As per the 25th Amendment (the boring part that isn't about the President dying or going nuts) a replacement VP has to be confirmed by both houses, so that would be a fun fight. haveblue fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jan 28, 2020 |
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abigserve posted:This is astonishing to me, literally since the story first broke as I've been following it: Yeah, the defense has always been "This is bad but doesn't rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors" which has only become more and more insane as more details are revealed.
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Jan 28, 2020 22:46
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Lemming posted:The crimes tweet but Bolton I gotta say, my single favorite linguistic evolution of the past few years has been how "crime" became both a generic noun and a verb
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Jan 29, 2020 19:30
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mcmagic posted:Isn't a 50-50 vote up to Pence, not him? If it were normal Senate business, yes, but the chief justice effectively replaces him for anything related to an impeachment trial, including the tiebreaking duty.
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An insane mind posted:Aren't most Republican senators also some form of lawyer? Are they just barely holding party discipline or are we in here overstating how stupid the WH council has been? Your sense of professional pride is one of the first things to be killed once you enter the Republican mental space, especially with Trump around. Also remember that there is no better defense they could be mounting, the surprise is not that they're putting up with this poo poo but that they found anyone willing to stand up and spout it.
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